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User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

I flew from LAX last night and had some time to walk around all of the terminals. It struck me that most of the terminals do not seem to have changed much in the last few decades, while other terminals at airports like JFK, MIA, IAD, etc have changed a lot. This is probably because the airport is built up already.

T1 - T3 seemed tight and cramped in the check-in areas....How are they airside?

TBIT was much nicer than I expected. The check-in area had the true feel of an international terminal in a way that most terminals do not at other American airports.

I also noticed that seemingly all of the passengers checking in with Phillipines Airlines had large boxes with them. I assume they pay extra to bring goods with them home? I am impressed the 747 was able to carry that much extra cargo!

I flew from T4. It was actually in pretty good shape airside, although some of the screens in the gate areas seemed old. I was not impressed with the landside part though. A little extra lighting would go a LONG way toward making it more inviting. Also, the First & Business class check-in areas seemed almost to be an afterthought. I was surprised by the setup.

T5-7 seemed fine. Delta did not seem to have the most efficient setup. There is a lot of extra counter space too in T6. The United check-in area seemed quite pleasant too.

A few questions: What Terminals have FIS facilities? Does United still use T6? If so, for what flights? And what are the rest of the terminals (other than T4) like airside? Are there any major upgrade plans out there?

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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Does United still use T6?

Yes.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
What Terminals have FIS facilities?

T2, TBIT, T4-T7 (I believe). Laxintl can probably confirm.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Are there any major upgrade plans out there?

There is a huge upgrade underway for TBIT. I'm sure if you did a search you can find plenty of threads on the subject.

I'm surprised at your comments regarding T4. Other than TBIT, this was the latest terminal to be renovated. I think it looks quite nice, however I'm partial to anything LAX. If anything, I think landside looks much nicer than airside.


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Here's LAWA's Spring 2010 construction update newsletter detailing the construction projects happening at the field....

http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LAX/pdf/spring%2010%20low.pdf


User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Another question: I noticed a sign in T6 that referred to a "Continental-National" check-in area. Is this from the LAS based National Airlines circa 2000?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
What Terminals have FIS facilities?

2, 4,5, 6/7 and TBIT

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Does United still use T6? If so, for what flights?

Absolutely. Varies day to day.

For instance yesterday had a BOS, MCO and couple Hawaii departures with various arrivals from places like ORD, MSY, SFO etc..
Also dont forget the T6-7 FIS below that UA has.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Are there any major upgrade plans out there?

Well the biggest and most publized is the TBIT renovation.
For the others, as most terminals are on long term leases its primarily up to tenant carriers to sponsor and fund upgrades. If AS finaly settles with the City to move into T-6, they will be funding a renovation of that facility.

Quoting rjpieces (Reply 3):
Continental-National" check-in area. Is this from the LAS based National Airlines circa 2000?

Must be. Where was the sign exactly?



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
I flew from LAX last night and had some time to walk around all of the terminals. It struck me that most of the terminals do not seem to have changed much in the last few decades, while other terminals at airports like JFK, MIA, IAD, etc have changed a lot. This is probably because the airport is built up already.

LAX is on a relatively small piece of land. Rebuilding an airside terminal is certainly possible, as happened to T-2 but only TBIT has the potential to add more gates unless major changes to the airfield are made. Airlines are not going to rebuild the terminals just to improve retail and waiting areas.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
TBIT was much nicer than I expected. The check-in area had the true feel of an international terminal in a way that most terminals do not at other American airports.

TBIT is not bad when it is not too crowded for departures. For arrivals it is dank and inadequate.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
I also noticed that seemingly all of the passengers checking in with Phillipines Airlines had large boxes with them. I assume they pay extra to bring goods with them home?

As with most Asian countries, returning relatives are supposed to take gifts. The Philippines probably gets more than its share because there are a greater number of items unavailable there compared to other countries.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
What Terminals have FIS facilities?

TBIT, T-2, T-5 and T-6. T-7 arrivals go through a tunnel to T-6 and T-4 go through a new tunnel to TBIT.

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Does United still use T6? If so, for what flights?

UA uses T-6 primarily for international and other aircraft that cannot get down the alleys and midcons or transcons, although they at times send just about anything there. It is a long hike from T-6 to T-8 and to the RCC so they are not favored by very many people. CO's gates are down the alley and cannot accommodate anything larger than a 757. UA will try to keep as many gates as possible, even if they are in inconvenient locations because there are limits in place on total gates.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9509 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 5):
UA uses T-6 primarily for international and other aircraft that cannot get down the alleys and midcons or transcons, although they at times send just about anything there. It is a long hike from T-6 to T-8 and to the RCC so they are not favored by very many people. CO's gates are down the alley and cannot accommodate anything larger than a 757. UA will try to keep as many gates as possible, even if they are in inconvenient locations because there are limits in place on total gates.

not true.
CO's gates
60-762
62-764
64-739



yep.
User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

I just found out last week that the City turn down Delta's remodel of Sat 5 and the parts of 6 they were planing on with the cash they got from selling NWA stake in T2. I know our office was to get moved to the Hanger so the FA's could move there, but all is on hold till a new plan is done. I know the front of T5 is a mess. It used to be a lot more open untill they had to make a security area at the bottom of the stairs out front due to the area at the top backing up, and the x-ray machines on both sides. I like the insides of T5 with the open feel to it. I find T6 a little dark. The ramp space is tight at both 5 and 6, and the alley ways are narrow on the southside of LAX between 4,5,6. I find the northside alley much wider. Just my 2 cents  

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
T1 - T3 seemed tight and cramped in the check-in areas....How are they airside?

T1 is what I like to call the Forgotten Terminal. Even here on A.net, everyone talks about T2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 but they always forget to talk about T1. And when LAWA talks about gate reallocation and terminal upgrades it's always about T2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. Anyway, T1 is pretty lousy. The tile is from the 80s as well as the general infrastructure. They recently did an "upgrade" in some of the areas where they took the white walls, painted them a cream color, and added two 5-inch wide racing stripes down the walls. A week after the paint job was done, I overheard passengers saying, "Look at these walls, oh - they should update this place!"



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineETforLIFE From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 5):
T-7 arrivals go through a tunnel to T-6 and T-4 go through a new tunnel to TBIT.

Are you talking about Qantas arrivals? AA has their own separate FIS in T-4 [the most pleasant FIS @ LAX imo.]


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 8):
T1 is pretty lousy. The tile is from the 80s as well as the general infrastructure.

IMO T1 is actually one of the better terminals at LAX. They rely a lot on natural light, which gives the terminal an open-airy feel. It's T3 that needs attention...badly.


User currently offlinefodar From Lebanon, joined Jan 2008, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
all of the passengers checking in with Philippines Airlines had large boxes with them.

... look up "balikbayan box" ...

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 5):
returning relatives are supposed to take gifts.

... look up "pasalubong" ...


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

After the merger with CO is completed I expect the new UA to be utilizing T6 much more often.


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User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
After the merger with CO is completed I expect the new UA to be utilizing T6 much more often.

That, or even less. It depends on whether they decide to expand as a result of the merger. If not, the CO operations should move to T7 & T8.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9509 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
After the merger with CO is completed I expect the new UA to be utilizing T6 much more often.

They (CO + UA) wont be using it anymore than what they do now......AS will be moving into T6 which will take up a good chunk of space during the day.



yep.
User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting n901wa (Reply 7):
I just found out last week that the City turn down Delta's remodel of Sat 5 and the parts of 6 they were planing on with the cash they got from selling NWA stake in T2.

I was in T5 just last week (returning yesterday) and remodeling has already begun. The new lounge remodel is well under way. If any of you have been in there you may remember a big open rotunda when you enter the lounge. That has already been covered up with a permanent floor and the new lounge will be roughly double the size of the old lounge when complete. They have also started doing some construction in the baggage claim area. Not exactly sure what they're doing down there but it is definitely slowing down the baggage retreival system which was a mess yesterday.

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 10):
IMO T1 is actually one of the better terminals at LAX. They rely a lot on natural light, which gives the terminal an open-airy feel. It's T3 that needs attention...badly.

T1 is an OK facility but a nightmare to check into because of SWA and their large volume of passengers. I've always wondered why US stays there. Seems they would be better served by trying to move to T6 to be closer to Star Alliance partners UA and CO.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2765 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
If AS finaly settles with the City to move into T-6, they will be funding a renovation of that facility.

That will be nice. T6 is disgusting.

Also terrible is the hallway between T5 and T6. Some new paint, new flooring, some artwork on the walls, maybe new light fixtures that put out a softer light. It's just this sterile, creepy hallway right now. Every time I walk through that hallway I feel like I'm in some secret medical experimentation facility being run by a James Bond villain.



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User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 8):
added two 5-inch wide racing stripes down the walls.

Never seen this before. Where is it?



Every flight counts.
User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

You should check out the tunnel between T5 and T6... if you didnt see it this is a photo for you

http://www.johnnyjet.com/image/PicForNewsletterMGMCT20080.JPG

'902



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2765 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 18):

That's the one I was talking about!!! Super creepy hallway since the only thing that breaks up the monotony is the security gate in the middle with all the warnings around it.



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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
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I enjoy:
a) Baggage claim of terminal 3 (?) and seeing the signage and yellow tiles from years ago.  
b) Same sentiment about center of Terminal 6 (?) with blue tiling and old water fountains and 'beautiful' wood panel look.  



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User currently offlinejpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 19):
You should check out the tunnel between T5 and T6... if you didnt see it this is a photo for you

http://www.johnnyjet.com/image/PicFo...0.JPG

OMG! I remember going though these tunnels all the way from 4 to 7 in the late 80's and 90's before they were closed off you could go though security at any terminal and simple walk between terminals, no security at all and yes they were "Super Creepy" they reminded me of George Lucas's THX movie.


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 20):
I enjoy:
a) Baggage claim of terminal 3 (?) and seeing the signage and yellow tiles from years ago.
b) Same sentiment about center of Terminal 6 (?) with blue tiling and old water fountains and 'beautiful' wood panel look.

For years and years and years when you arrived at LAX you would walk down a long tunnel from the satellites to the baggage claim that had abstract mosaics along the walls (color gradients that changed tone as you walked). I spent a huge amount of time at the airport as a kid watching planes and just being a nerd, and those mosaics are hard-wired into my brain.

I believe they are still there in a couple of terminals. The next time I am in LA I need to go take pictures.

I will always love LAX. It's the airport that really made me the enthusiast I am. All those Pan Am 747.. 

Ha! Found it! http://www.flickr.com/photos/78653343@N00/2215394993

[Edited 2010-05-12 07:00:38]

User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 1):
If anything, I think landside looks much nicer than airside.

I'm a sucker for good lighting. I found T4 landside to be too dark.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
2, 4,5, 6/7 and TBIT

5 has a separate FIS facility? Doesn't Delta just operate NRT, SYD, and perhaps some Mexico flights?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
For instance yesterday had a BOS, MCO and couple Hawaii departures with various arrivals from places like ORD, MSY, SFO etc..

Is there any kind of airside connection between T6 and T7, etc? Do those tunnels referred to above run underneath all of the concourses?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Well the biggest and most publized is the TBIT renovation.

This basically entails building a new remote concourse, and then redoing the current concourses, correct? The check-in area is quite nice though!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Must be. Where was the sign exactly?

I believe it was near the check-in counters in T6....I walked the whole length of check-in counters in all of the terminals, so it was either right before or after the Continental check-in counters.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 5):
TBIT is not bad when it is not too crowded for departures. For arrivals it is dank and inadequate.

I assume this will be fixed in the current TBIT renovations?

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 18):
You should check out the tunnel between T5 and T6... if you didnt see it this is a photo for you

I asked this just above, but where are these tunnels and are they for any passengers?


User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Ok here's what I got about the work at T5 and T6. I went to work last night and got some info. The Major remodel was rejected. That had customs moving and the area under T5 moving around. They are building a second level to the area between T5 and T6. It looks like a walkway between the two, but the guys said that they are moving the X-ray , and scaners to the area and move the TSA check area there. Im not sure how it will flow. They had to drive pillers down thru baggage claim to get to the ground to hold up the new add on. That's it so far. Here's a pic I took last night  


25 dlflynhayn : hmmm GUA is another one can't think of any others right now.
26 rjpieces : Another question: How long has QF split their operation between TBIT and T4 for? Is there no extra room for 2 late-night departures from TBIT?
27 commavia : Interesting - thanks for that link. That has the first pictures I've seen of the new Eagle 'box' east of T8. Actually - I have to say - it looks bigg
28 TWA902fly : Yes the tunnels are open to the public - the one i went through was between T5 + T6 there's escalators down to them around the middle of the concourse
29 Delimit : LAX is really designed around O & D. A lot. And it lets you know every time you try and use it for a purpose other than that. As someone who flie
30 cws818 : Yes, there is but it isn't a tunnel (FIS may be a tunnel, however). The T6-T7 airside connector is a hallway on the concourse level at the base of th
31 Post contains images LAXintl : Yes T-5 has an FIS, albeit small one designed with Western Airlines in mind. A couple narrow body arrivals, or a single widebody and its at capacity.
32 ScottB : Reason 1 is probably to keep Southwest bottled up; SWA can't expand at LAX since they're gate-constrained. Reason 2 is the fact that T1 is one of the
33 commavia : Okay, so hopefully no need to start another thread for this: Have friends arriving into LAX tonight on UA935 from LHR, which is now arriving a whoppin
34 LAXintl : No T-7 FIS is long closed. Aircraft will park in T-7, and passengers be bused to TBIT. edit: I just checked an notice flight is operating LHR-IAD-LAX,
35 eta unknown : T1: US Airways wont vacate- they stay there to block Southwest from expanding. A soft refurb has made the terminal a little more bearable. T6: CO is a
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