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Airasia X Busts Altitude 2 Days Running OOL  
User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2252 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/.../05/11/216545_gold-coast-news.html

"AIR Asia X is being investigated for two safety breaches in two days while on approach to Gold Coast Airport.

One of the incidents on May 4 involved a plane dropping below the safe minimum radar altitude while it was coming in to land at the Gold Coast from Kuala Lumpur.

Adding to the seriousness of the incident was low cloud making for poor visibility.

The investigation by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau also lists a 'similar incident by the same aircraft type' on May 3.

Director of aviation safety investigations for the ATSB Ian Sangston said the alleged breaches were serious.


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12550 times:

The incidents are subject to a serious incident investigation

AIRBUS INDUSTIES A330-343E, 9M-XXB, Gold Coast Aerodrome, 4 May 2010

http://atsb.gov.au/publications/inve...reports/2010/aair/ao-2010-027.aspx



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Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12520 times:

This worries me. OOL is hardly the busiest airport in Aus. Never mind KUL, MEL or STN. I hope they address these issues the easy way.


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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Theres no ILS at OOL and I am guessing crews dont do a lot or VOR/DME arrivals. Still there is no excuse. New expanding operations without a wealth of experience always are a concern


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11786 times:

I guess they don't know how to make a manual glide slope on their FMS and do a safe VNAV approach.


You are never too old to learn something stupid
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10223 times:

Also reported in Flight Global:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-x-a330-low-altitude-approach.html

But nothing new unfortunately.



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User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9447 times:

Quoting UTAH744 (Reply 4):
I guess they don't know how to make a manual glide slope on their FMS and do a safe VNAV approach.

Good option if their Op spec allows it.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting UTAH744 (Reply 4):

I guess they don't know how to make a manual glide slope on their FMS and do a safe VNAV approach.

Early jet airline crews could chop and drop with the best of them  



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlinejepstein From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Thread starter):

One of the incidents on May 4 involved a plane dropping below the safe minimum radar altitude while it was coming in to land at the Gold Coast from Kuala Lumpur.

Sounds like some of my Flight Simulator landings lol.  


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Only in Australia would something as pedestrian as an altitude bust make the papers.

I do wonder why the Australian media get such a kick out of reporting every single aviation event, most of which are in the category "non event". Pilots make mistakes, the vast majority of which has no impact on flight safety, and are even less worthy of a newspaper article or a thread on the interweb.

Now stand-by for some bright spark to start shooting gob off about the Autobus being inherently dangerous, and how this could never have happened if it had been a Ceeaddle product.

For what it's worth, one of the several airlines I work with (small one, only 25 aircraft) had 2 GPWS warnings pulled out of the FDM system last month. Both were reported by the crew (such incidents call for a MOR) and were handled internally and with the ATS provider involved. Root cause in both cases were poor radar vectoring / early descent clearances by ATC / Crew not being 100% on the ball. Lessons were learned, corrective actions were implemented. None of those events were, rightfully, reported by the media. Oh, least I forget, both of those incidents involved what is generally regarded here as the finest narrow-body product ever made by Boeing .....



From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting jepstein (Reply 8):
Sounds like some of my Flight Simulator landings lol.

LOL, I have played that a few times and I still cant figure out how to land the stupid plane! I don't have all the "gear" so trying to land using the keyboard I think might be impossible, I just use the auto pilot and keep changing the altitude lower and lower until the plane hits the ground then try to stop it in a hurry! O'well!



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User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
LOL, I have played that a few times and I still cant figure out how to land the stupid plane! I don't have all the "gear" so trying to land using the keyboard I think might be impossible, I just use the auto pilot and keep changing the altitude lower and lower until the plane hits the ground then try to stop it in a hurry! O'well!

Landing with a keyboard will be a lot more possible, but still difficult, if you do ILS landings.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9):
Only in Australia would something as pedestrian as an altitude bust make the papers.

I do wonder why the Australian media get such a kick out of reporting every single aviation event, most of which are in the category "non event".

I'll never understand the thinking of some people. An event that happens, is NEWS. Whether you like it or not. If it is something that happened, it should be reported. Just like if someone was on that flight they would rush here to a.net and post about it.


User currently offlineruscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Happy to support anything bad you want to say about Australia's media, but going below minimums in cloud on approach to Cooloongatta is, imo. a big deal, for an airline, in a state of the art aircraft.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Gents,

Point of my post was that these things do happen, be it in a clapped out steam-driven puddeljumper or a brand spanking new Autobus. Could be some dodgy place in Africa, could be in a highly regulated and monitored airspace. It's obviously not good, and something must indeed have gone wrong. It is not, however, worth getting knickers in a twist over and, as a consquence of aeroplanes being operated by humans, is something that happens more or less every day. The important thing is to learn from the mistake and take action to ensure it doesn't happen again. That is an internal affair between airline and ATS provider, and I still fail to see how it can be of public interest.

I do appreciate, given the nature of this BB, how even the most mundane of incidents are being discussed. I'm merely trying to convey the message that, really, it's not worth your time bothering about. But, by all means, if it floats your boat then please carry on; it's no water off my back. I've only been dealing with this for the last 10+ years of my career in aviation, so pardon my somewhat cynical approach.



From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9):
Only in Australia would something as pedestrian as an altitude bust make the papers.

I do wonder why the Australian media get such a kick out of reporting every single aviation event,

Because we have a relatively free press and aviation incidents with large jets are quite rare - never mind accidents. Two consecutive incidents in two days would and should make our ATSB have a VERY close look at the airline involved.

The EK event in MEL was big news and so it should be. Damn near our biggest aviation disaster.



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 15):
Damn near our biggest aviation disaster.

You mean apart from the QF 747 which overran in BKK? Or the commuter that crashed killing all onboard? Or the QF 747 that had an oxygen bottle explode at altitude?

Yes, the EK MEL accident was very serious, and is indeed be worthy of public scrutiny and discussion - not least for the underlying reasons it happened, and which haven't been addressed by the operator. See, I'm not advocating aviation incidents and accidents shouldn't be reported or discussed, merely that the more pedestrian ones as this are not worth your time and effort.

By the way, despite the flag next to my username I too originally hail from a place with free press, and it's just about as bad as most other when it comes to reporting anything aviation related.



From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 16):
You mean apart from the QF 747 which overran in BKK? Or the commuter that crashed killing all onboard? Or the QF 747 that had an oxygen bottle explode at altitude?

No. As well. You are completely missing the point. Those were huge stories here. You said:

Quote:
I do wonder why the Australian media get such a kick out of reporting every single aviation event

I'm trying to explain to you why.



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User currently offlinesOLENT From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Maybe they are trying to give the passengers a view of the Gold Coast as they come in. I watch them and the Jetstar 330's from my window as they come in down the coast, and just got a little low.

If the weather is bad you would not them to run into Q1 which is 90 floors+. It would be a shame to have a prang like the Erebus one, which my father perished in.

I remember in the 80's (when I lived at Bondi) watching the BA 747's doing low level runs up the coast to Palm Beach and then climbing out for Singapore. They had permission for this but has been discontinued.

I am sure Air AsiaX will be updating their procedures


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