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Future Of The 747 QF15/16  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

Any predictions as to the future of 747s on Qantas's BNE-LAX service, with things such as the impending delivery of the 787 and the V Australia service taken into account?

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User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Good old QF15/16 always seems to have the oldest 74's in the QF fleet. I remember hearing on the news (not so credible) when QF took delivery of the A380's, that Brisbane will see the A380 on regular services within 5 years. That would have to be fairly unlikely.

But maybe we might get some of the newer 747s or the 747 400ERs as the older ones retire.

The 787's are more likely then the A380's....   


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 1):
The 787's are more likely then the A380's....

Actually I don't think you'll see B788s on BNE-LAX. It would be conceeding to much capacity to VA, BNE-other N American port quite possibly. I see BNE-LAX being as much a battle groud between QF & VA as SYD-LAX.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

Is it likely to be one of the last 747 routes?

User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 1):
But maybe we might get some of the newer 747s or the 747 400ERs as the older ones retire.

That's actually happening now, but fairly intermittedly. Wunala Dreaming (VH-OEJ) which is the most famous of the 747-400ER's has been seen in BNE on a number of occassionas, including once earlier this month. Not sure of the reason why the newer 744's and 744ER's get rotated through BNE but it definitely happens.

From what I understand from reading here on a.net and another local forum is that QF will be changing the layout of quite a number of their 744's to take out first class, which means business, premium economy and economy on most of birds remaining in the 747 fleet. With the A380's going to be fairly much exclusive to MEL-LAX, SYD-LAX, MEL-LHR and SYD-SIN-LHR (I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head), so that will free up the newer 747-400's (including the ER's) to the BNE-LAX run.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
BNE-other N American port quite possibly.

If that ever happens, it's likely going to be BNE-SFO as it has the most potential. HNL wouldn't have as much of a market - JQ couldn't even makem MEL-HNL work at 2x weekly.

We could even see routes ex BNE into Europe, but would still have to stop even with a 788. It had been rumoured a while back that QF would reroute their FRA service out of Australia so it would depart BNE instead of SYD, but not happened. But admittedly EK and SQ have that market fairly much covered so QF would have a hard battle in front of them to capture anything to Europe ex BNE. North America has the best chance, with SFO being on the top of the list, followed by YVR.


User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
(I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head),

Hong Kong


User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
so that will free up the newer 747-400's (including the ER's) to the BNE-LAX run.

That would be pretty awesome...   


User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
Actually I don't think you'll see B788s on BNE-LAX.
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
We could even see routes ex BNE into Europe, but would still have to stop even with a 788.

Didn't know we were getting 788 in red tails... I thought only 789's and 788 for JQ.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
(I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head)

QF29/30 goes via Hong Kong (747 400), QF9/10 goes via Singapore (to go daily A380 once QF get more of them)


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

The first thing they want to do is get QF15/16 back to daily.

V Australia still has issues with their luggage where by they limit their standard economy to 2pc with a combined total of 32kg for the 2 pieces

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
Not sure of the reason why the newer 744's and 744ER's get rotated through BNE but it definitely happens.

Not sure either, but as we all probably know, the QF15/16 is usually just Business and Economy. When the newer ones which have 4 classes, the top teir frequent flyer in economy get Premium Economy seats. Top Teir business get first class seats, but both with their paying cabin service.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
It had been rumoured a while back that QF would reroute their FRA service out of Australia so it would depart BNE

I'm pretty sure the QF flight, ex BNE to SIN use to continue through to FRA, when it was a 743. Now they have QF51/52 daily to SIN wich continues 3 days of the week through to SIN



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
(I can't recall the Asian stopping point for the MEL-LHR A380 route off the top of my head)

QF9/10: MEL-SIN-LHR-SIN-MEL


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 7):

Didn't know we were getting 788 in red tails... I thought only 789's and 788 for JQ.

The orginal plan was that the first 15B787s, which were/are B788s were to go to JQ, until the first 15 B789were delivered to JQ. As they were delivered the B788s would go to QF. Both would get subsequent B789 deliveries.

With all the delays, GFC, etc it now appears that the first 15 B788 are going directly to QF, basically as a B767 replacements and the first 15 B789s are going to JQ. Subsequently both will get further B789s. That's why JQ got more A332s.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5297 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
That's actually happening now, but fairly intermittedly. Wunala Dreaming (VH-OEJ) which is the most famous of the 747-400ER's has been seen in BNE on a number of occassionas, including once earlier this month. Not sure of the reason why the newer 744's and 744ER's get rotated through BNE but it definitely happens.

Due to maintanence mainly, QFs 7 2 class 744 are fairly busy.

As for BNE-LAX I'd say it will keep 744s for atleast another 5-6 years, nothing else other than the A380 can fly it currently and it will be several years before QF have enough 787s. I agree maybe when it does become a 787 then they may to make up the capacity introduce BNE-SFO.

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
It had been rumoured a while back that QF would reroute their FRA service out of Australia so it would depart BNE instead of SYD, but not happened.

More than anything to increase BNE-SIN capacity to a 744.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure the QF flight, ex BNE to SIN use to continue through to FRA, when it was a 743

Hmm I can't remember that, when the 743s were going to FRA last back in the early 2000s they went SYD-MEL-BKK-FRA a few days a week with SYD-SIN-FRA with a 744 on the other days. Certainly there may have been a time when a 743 did SIN-FRA, though BKK-FRA is shorter thinking of aircraft range.


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 8):
Now they have QF51/52 daily to SIN wich continues 3 days of the week through to SIN

Actually continues through to BOM. The BNE-SIN-FRA hasn't been on the QF cards, and likely will never be - which is why I had mentioned it was just a rumour. Well after it was rumoured, QF discontinued the SYD-BOM direct and instead routed it via SIN out of BNE. It would be nice to have a service to somewhere in Europe from BNE on QF metal, but I'd personally rather go on SQ or EK if heading over to Europe, but admitted I am way too addicted to New Zealand and Papua New Guinea to be thinking about anywhere else in the world outside of those two countries and North America for that fact.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 6):
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
so that will free up the newer 747-400's (including the ER's) to the BNE-LAX run.

That would be pretty awesome...

I'm waiting for the day for when it becomes a regular occurance, but now we have to settle for the occasional and somwhat random appearances. Just need to wait until enough A380's are delivered, then it will be all systems go that is assuming the people in scheduling at QF do their jobs right - I know that from experience (I'll explain in a PM tomorrow to you buddy - getting late, and need some sleep before a huge day at work tomorrow).


User currently offlineAirNiugini From Australia, joined Mar 2010, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5701 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 12):
but admitted I am way too addicted to New Zealand and Papua New Guinea to be thinking about anywhere else in the world outside of those two countries and North America for that fact.

Agreed! Niugini is pretty choice DJ748. I hope you give PX a whirl when u travel north too...
 
Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):

So, Qantas would most likely be using the 787 800 on domestic runs to replace current 767s, or would the A330 300s and 200s be converted into a domestic config and 787 8's be put on international? All this 767/A330/787 business is making my head hurt... hahaha.

Regardless, I don't think QF would put a 787 800 on BNE - LAX - BNE... just a tad small maybe...


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 4):
Wunala Dreaming

I saw @ LAX 2 weeks ago, beautiful livery.



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