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Delta Adding Dozens Of Flights From LGA/JFK  
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22709 times:

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1028

International – New York-JFK to London-Heathrow; Brussels; Shannon; Manchester; Amsterdam; Cairo; Istanbul; Milan; Moscow; Nice; and Athens, in addition to previously announced new service to Copenhagen and Stockholm and expanded capacity to Tel Aviv and Tokyo-Narita.


Domestic/Canada – New York-LaGuardia to Nashville, St. Louis, Norfolk, Richmond and Kansas City; JFK to San Antonio, Cleveland, Montreal, Charlotte, Toronto, Baltimore and Richmond, in addition to the previously announced introduction of Delta Shuttle service between LaGuardia and Chicago-O'Hare.


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11463 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22625 times:

So some of this seems like more a restating of old news, like upgrading some European flights to daily, or upgrading to larger aircraft on some routes.

The third daily to Heathrow is very good for them - it's at a perfect time, and it will help them be more competitive with the route's heavy-hitters.

Some of the domestic growth, particularly out of LGA, to places like STL and BNA seem aimed at AA - in response, some might say, to AA hitting back at DL in markets like ATL, MSP, etc.

More competition in New York = good for travelers.  


User currently offlineworldtraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22433 times:

Great to see the added JFK-LHR RT....
alot of the other int'l route changes have been announced before... it is notable that several of the markets will use the nearly 300 seat 333 which is the lowest cost widebody on a CASM basis... when combined with DL being at the low end on system CASM of US carriers (CO and DL are very similar in total CASM w/UAA about 8% higher and AA about 15% higher), there is little doubt that DL can take advantage of the increased demand that summer travel provides to Europe.
Now if only the volcano will cooperate...

The domestic adds are more about using mainline quality aircraft in the markets than about the markets they enter..... but it is true that with DL's growing presence in NYC, they must move forward with adding key markets...

i


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22183 times:

I take it they are getting some former AF/KL slots for the additional LHR flights?

And what is Delta cutting at LGA that they will be getting a dozen additional slots?


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22087 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter):
Amsterdam;

Nice to see the third flight return. Will it be 752 again?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 22029 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 4):
Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter):
Amsterdam;

Nice to see the third flight return. Will it be 752 again?

763.

Equipment details can be found here:
http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=18&item=132


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 21918 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
763.

Equipment details can be found here:

Thanks! Good to see the 763 iso the 752 on the route... IMHO a bit more comfortable on the longer routes



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User currently offlineflavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21654 times:

How will the 767-400 do on the IST-JFK flight? I know the 767-300ER always takes around a 20 seat or greater weight hit.

User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1178 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21594 times:

Quoting flavio340 (Reply 7):
I know the 767-300ER always takes around a 20 seat or greater weight hit.

How do you know this? Man of my flights to/from IST have been totally full.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6713 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21497 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
And what is Delta cutting at LGA that they will be getting a dozen additional slots?

Are they cutting flights at LGA or doing something like a short-term lease of slots from US (which I do not believe would require DOT permission)?


User currently onlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21457 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 6):
Thanks! Good to see the 763 iso the 752 on the route... IMHO a bit more comfortable on the longer routes

The NW TATL 752's are probably the most comfortable, especially with all the extra leg room.



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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21308 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter):
New York-LaGuardia to Nashville, St. Louis,
Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter):
New York-JFK to London-Heathrow

Kicking AA in the nuts! Time for AA to wake up. JFK to Moscow/ Istabnul/ Amman....c'mon AA! WAKE UUPPPP!

AA1818



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6306 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21145 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Equipment details can be found here:

Wow, talk about an up-gauge on JFK-TLV! 763 to 744 starting June 1


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 21073 times:

Are some of these int'l flights just an upgrade of equipment or an actual increase in service? For instance, the JFK-ATH currently operates with a 767-400 and in June it will be an A330-300.


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20993 times:

Quoting flavio340 (Reply 7):
How will the 767-400 do on the IST-JFK flight? I know the 767-300ER always takes around a 20 seat or greater weight hit.
Quoting cokepopper (Reply 8):
How do you know this? Man of my flights to/from IST have been totally full.

I fly the JFK-IST at least twice a year and yes it is always full. Last month 763WL Westbound had to take some cargo off to fly the Southerly route due to volcanic ash.
DL switching to 767-400 on the route was decided months ago and it is about time. DL could not compete with the TK 340 product with the 763. Now that TK uses ex JetAirways 77W 3-class service on the route and going up to 10 x weekly, DL had to at least go with the 764.
Come September TK will receive its own 77Ws with Economy/Economy Plus/Business product (eliminating F) with brand new interiors, livery I wonder how DL will react to that? Will DL go back to 4 x weekly 763 during winter?

As of now, TK has better equipment on the route, better in flight product (IFE; food service amount, quality and frequency; 3-class service; unlimited alcoholic beverages) free two pieces of checked baggage in all classes and the beauty of checking in at Terminal 1 at JFK.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20992 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 11):
Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter):
New York-LaGuardia to Nashville, St. Louis,
Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter):
New York-JFK to London-Heathrow

Kicking AA in the nuts! Time for AA to wake up. JFK to Moscow/ Istabnul/ Amman....c'mon AA! WAKE UUPPPP!

AA1818

I've been saying this for a while, AArpey and his cohorts are clueless when it comes to certain things....DL is running "rough shot" over AA in the expansion column....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20853 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):
The NW TATL 752's are probably the most comfortable, especially with all the extra leg room.

Sure, but for me the legroom in the 763 is not bad and I really like the 2-3-2 config of the 763 over the 3-3 of the 752. That also counts.



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20810 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
And what is Delta cutting at LGA that they will be getting a dozen additional slots?

I was wondering this also. It can't be based on the slot switch with US since that's tied up in the courts about how many slots have to go.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 11):
Kicking AA in the nuts! Time for AA to wake up. JFK to Moscow/ Istabnul/ Amman....c'mon AA! WAKE UUPPPP!

I tend to agree. But then again, AA tends to stick to its expansions (generally) and has not declared bankruptcy. They have to be doing something right. But JFK is going to be an interesting battle ground with the AA vs DL and UA/CO merger.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 12):
Wow, talk about an up-gauge on JFK-TLV! 763 to 744 starting June 1

I am surprised this didn't happen earlier. I would have thought this would have gotten upgraded prior to this time. Maybe waiting for an economic uptick? On the other hand, will DL order a 748i to help keep up the size of the bird?

Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):
I fly the JFK-IST at least twice a year and yes it is always full. Last month 763WL Westbound had to take some cargo off to fly the Southerly route due to volcanic ash.

Currently could they go farther north? I've noticed flight ex-FCO to JFK going very far north as far as Greenland.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6306 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20611 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 17):
I am surprised this didn't happen earlier.

Me too. I flew the route once (did a YYZ-TLV-JFK, so literally just once, not even a roundtrip) and the 744 I was on was absolutely packed to the gills.

Quoting davescj (Reply 17):
I would have thought this would have gotten upgraded prior to this time.

I figured it would have been one of the first once DL got their hands on 747-400s...even before Asian routes.

Quoting davescj (Reply 17):
Maybe waiting for an economic uptick?

TLV seems to be one of those markets that, while impacted (like the rest of the world) still had excellent numbers when it came to travelers, especially between TLV and New York.


User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20569 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 17):
I tend to agree. But then again, AA tends to stick to its expansions (generally) and has not declared bankruptcy. They have to be doing something right. But JFK is going to be an interesting battle ground with the AA vs DL and UA/CO merger.

As much as I love AA and think it's great for shareholders and other stakeholders that the carrier never went through bankruptcy- it's time to live in the NOW, Dl is not about to go through bankruptcy. Whether AA stayed out of bankruptcy for nobel reasons or good business sense should be the debate. Anyways- AA needs to move forward. Get labour under contral, upgrade fleet- they are going to have the saddest interiors of any US major in a few years- 757 interior upgrades have gone nowhere in the last 17 months, 737, 777 and 767 interiors are fine, but they will soon be lagging behind competitors- 767s no PTV in Y, etc. AA really need to get their act together. I am now weary as an Aadvantage member- whether i'm being loyal to a once great carrier who is being brought to its knees by more aggressive better run Airlines. Time for AA to follow Dls lead and start seeking new routes...new revenue generators!

AA1818



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20500 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 18):
I figured it would have been one of the first once DL got their hands on 747-400s...even before Asian routes.

Don't forget that it has only been within the last year (or less) that DL has decided to keep and use the 744 and upgrade the interiors.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineghYHZ From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20445 times:

DL has also added JFKYYG (Charlottetown) for the summer but dropped the former NW DTWYYG service. Also dropped is BOSYYG.

The DTWYYG service was convenient for the large number of Japanese visitors that travel to the island each summer connecting over Detroit.

http://www.flypei.com/


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19908 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
I've been saying this for a while, AArpey and his cohorts are clueless when it comes to certain things....DL is running "rough shot" over AA in the expansion column....

As a bit of trivia for you...it's roughshod. It refers to using shoes on horses with projecting nails or points to prevent slipping in ice. The original phrase was, "riding roughshod over," hence, the horseshoe metaphor.

Totally off topic...but interesting.  


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1048 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19880 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 19):
As much as I love AA and think it's great for shareholders and other stakeholders that the carrier never went through bankruptcy- it's time to live in the NOW, Dl is not about to go through bankruptcy. Whether AA stayed out of bankruptcy for nobel reasons or good business sense should be the debate. Anyways- AA needs to move forward. Get labour under contral, upgrade fleet- they are going to have the saddest interiors of any US major in a few years- 757 interior upgrades have gone nowhere in the last 17 months, 737, 777 and 767 interiors are fine, but they will soon be lagging behind competitors- 767s no PTV in Y, etc. AA really need to get their act together. I am now weary as an Aadvantage member- whether i'm being loyal to a once great carrier who is being brought to its knees by more aggressive better run Airlines. Time for AA to follow Dls lead and start seeking new routes...new revenue generators!

AA1818

What is this obsession a-netters have with PTV's? It really makes no difference to those in the back or in the front of the plane. The people in the front have never cared for them and the people in the back have their iPods and iPads. When we all have iPads (I just bought one and they are really cool), the only thing that will matter is WiFi and an electrical outlet at almost every seat. By that time, all the PTV's will probably be in quite a state of decay since they will look quite useless and archaic compared to an iPad or any of its variants.

[Edited 2010-05-11 09:09:24]

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19789 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):
Quoting aa1818 (Reply 11):

Kicking AA in the nuts! Time for AA to wake up.

AA is adding a 6th daily JFK-LHR in November and will announce a trans-Atlantic JFK expansion around December which will be coordinated with British Airways.



a.
25 micstatic : Live TV. Not easily done on an ipod. An assortment of movies. Sometimes I don't have time to load a movie. You might not care but many more do. After
26 Delimit : Well, for one, inflight wifi isn't free. 2, does wifi work internationally? I haven't been on a wifi-enabled plane internationally yet, so it's an ho
27 TK787 : I have done most of the routes with DL on the JFK-IST route; left JFK flew SE and entered Europe somewhere over Northern Spain, left IST flew over Al
28 bloodyrascal : DL is dropping the NAS-LGA route in August
29 Cubsrule : I'm not sure this is an "anti-AA" move specifically. STL and BNA are two of the larger holes in the route map ex-LGA, and AA has shrunk both a lot. W
30 aa1818 : I know that AA/ BA dominate LHR-JFK, but it's going to hurt AA a little to have Dl add another flight. I wait with baited breath for more JFK interna
31 commavia : I could envision daily 757s to Amsterdam, Frankurt, Stockholm, making Manchester year-round, and maybe daily 757s to Dusseldorf, and Glasgow or Edinb
32 RL757PVD : They would also be the next logical adds for WN if they were to get their hands on some slots...
33 mah4546 : AA just added JFK-MAN/MAD/SJO. It is soon adding LGA-MSP/ATL/CLT and JFK-ORF/CMH/IND/FLL/AUS/HND/GIG/STL. And it will add more next spring with the n
34 mrstl : Wow, if my count is correct and barring any further schedule changes, DL and its regional partners will have more flights out of STL than AA/AE after
35 atrude777 : Really? Delta flies MD88's too, same capacity as AAs MD80, not to mention MD90, and A319's also. Both more capacity than the S80, couple of 757's to
36 b4real : I was reading this and I had one response: Yawn. Most of this is a reinstatement of previously announced, started and then canceled services. So, the
37 Post contains images nycbjr : I might have missed it but when does STL begin? I'm looking forward to flying the 175 to STL rather than the crappy CR2 from jfk (not sure that even s
38 LDVAviation : Some airlines are adding PTV's because it is all they know. They might be more convenient now, but they won't be in the future once one airline figur
39 Cubsrule : Today, DL is 6x DTW, 6x MSP, 3x MEM, 2x SLC, 3x CVG, 1x JFK, and 9x ATL for a total of 30 daily flights. Addition of LGA will bring them to 34. Today
40 atrude777 : LGA to St. Louis Four new daily round-trip flights Embraer 175 Sept. 7, 2010 Alex
41 mrstl : Same count I had, however, the date I used was 09/20 STL-SLC is 3 x daily bringing the count to 35. September 7th
42 Cubsrule : What's the history of STL-SLC? Wasn't it 1 daily over the winter? If so, I have a hard time believing they'll actually operate 3 during one of the sl
43 Delimit : Requiring customer-supplied hardware to use IFE seems a bit...unlikely, unless you think the airlines are going to also stock a bunch of iPads on boa
44 steex : STL-SLC has been operated 2x daily through all of this winter and is scheduled 3x daily in the summer. This winter, they even went with 2 mainline fl
45 MastaHanky : WN dropped their STL-SLC flights within the last couple of months, so perhaps they're trying to pick up some of the capacity that disappeared.
46 Post contains images N62NA : Well, speaking just for myself, a PTV usually means the Inflight Map, which is much more fun!
47 mrstl : These are guesses: WN dropped the route, increased flow to the west coast on DL due to dropped flights, redistribution of the NW frequent flier base
48 worldtraveler : DL still has about 1/3 of the capacity that AA does in STL in terms of ASMs.... In JFK, based on current schedules - not reflecting today's new announ
49 flyibaby : I prefer the inflight trivia playing against others on the plane that I don't know; but I also like the fact that I can view as many NEW movies as I
50 jfk787nyc : Does anyone know if the 744 will be with a refurbished cabin?
51 United1 : I don't think they are supposed to start reconfigurations until next year on the 744s.
52 spacecadet : What are they going to be flying JFK-NRT? Their current 744's are not competitive at all in terms of product.
53 worldtraveler : The 744 product in BE is a lie flat, angled seat.... it isn't state of the art but it is reasonably competitive. YC is the issue but the 744s have bee
54 Post contains links STT757 : Jeff Smisek was at EWR yesterday meeting with employees, he stated the combined carrier will be focused on capturing more of the NYC market. In parti
55 jfklganyc : " And it will add more next spring with the new JetBlue slots." The expansion you mentioned already included the B6 slots.
56 DTWPurserBoy : DL has already announced and it has been repeatedy covered on A.net that DL will renovate the 744 interiors starting this summer. They will have PTV'
57 mah4546 : There will be slot shifting in the spring to accommodate some new flying in the spring, flying which will be coordinate with British Airways once imm
58 AADC10 : AA is not necessarily clueless but they are taking a more conservative approach. DL in particular is aggressively redeploying its 767s overseas. If t
59 FlyPNS1 : Where's DL going to get the slot capacity for said growth?
60 Post contains images aajfksjubklyn : They bought the old Pan-Am water planes and will allow take off's and landings in Jaimaca Bay . Delta is going to have fun when they being constructi
61 worldtraveler : And that clearly makes sense... EWR is a competitive hub and CO can't afford to allow AA and DL to continue to grow... much of which is determined by
62 BrianDromey : good to see DL expanding in NYC, this is going to be a hot-spot over the next 12 months, with DL, UA/CO and AA/BA all aggressively competing, not to m
63 irelayer : Not an obsession so much as a nice thing to have. Yeah I can whip out my laptop, but its not comfortable to use. I don't have an iPad. Not everyone b
64 commavia : That is precisely what would be expected. With the phenomenal 1-2 punch of EWR and IAD, they can optimize IAD for connections and focus EWR more on O
65 jfk787nyc : Wait Can someone please tell me how many 787's will Continental & United receive together in 2011? I am starting to think the new UNITED is going
66 STT757 : CO is taking delivery of 6 787-8s in 2011, they also have 2 more 777-200ERs on order for the 4th qtr. of this year. CO/UA firm widebody orders: 36 78
67 jetlanta : That will be an attractive balance sheet. Seriously, no way all these orders survive this merger in this configuration.
68 worldtraveler : kinda like what DL has been doing w/ ATL and JFK for almost 20 years.... and which is being refined further w/ the addition of the 330s to the JFK ma
69 BigGSFO : Just like the last several years. This industry is never boring.
70 Post contains images gokmengs : When I saw that DL was changing the a/c on JFK-IST I was ready to pop the champagne been flying the route for almost 10 years now sometimes 8 times ro
71 deltal1011man : Thats something that will be 2-3-4 years away. UA will be using the 787 at EWR before the 767(because unlikely Delta, I don't see UA and CO unions go
72 lucky777 : disregard, sorry for the confusion.[Edited 2010-05-11 21:45:07]
73 Post contains images Centre : Congratulations for your ipad!!! Not everyone is a a fan of the iphone or ipad...etc... I don't have any and never planning on doing so... PTV does c
74 worldtraveler : DL could easily fill a 744 to alot of countries during the summer but because the markets are highly seasonal and lots of capacity depresses yields,
75 757ops : Great news on the JFK-LHR route as I have been using this route 4-5 tmes a year for Duty Travel, and nearly always it is full and the service and inte
76 surfandsnow : It's great to see DL adding so much at both New York airports. Question - where are all these slots coming from? Is anything getting cut? New York wil
77 iliribdl : We might even see a transatlantic flight from BDL starting next summer. (CDG or AMS)
78 worldtraveler : glad to hear that... and glad to hear someone refute the very prevalent and IMHO incorrect idea that DL's product is not competitive w/ other carrier
79 Blueman87 : i was away for a week hows the LGA slot swap with US Airways and Delta Goin
80 STT757 : Not happening, DL/US are appealing the decision in court.
81 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...I have to give you that one...excellent call! Me too, but will AA do it? I'm glad to see AA expanding a little on JFK and am looking forwards to s
82 LDVAviation : It may be a little more complicated than that. Management at AA may not be convinced that all this growth to secondary markets in Europe is sustainab
83 LDVAviation : Today, Apple dictates all kinds of consumer tastes. They already influence what kind of music you hear, what kind of video you watch, what kind of ap
84 worldtraveler : It has nothing to do with WN or any other LFCs... it has everything to do with AA having the highest costs in the industry. based on the latest quart
85 United1 : Why would a SOC matter for basing the 787s (or any other aircraft) at EWR...UA is going to be very aggressive in EWR WT. Between moving the 767s up f
86 deltal1011man : Unions will, IMO, get in the way of moving premerger aircraft around. DALPA/NWALPA had to agree to it pre-merger(ie 747s doing ATL-NRT) and i don't s
87 Post contains links LDVAviation : AA has the highest costs NOW. It won't have the highest costs forever. The reason negotiations with flight attendants and pilots are taking so long i
88 Jacobin777 : With respect LDVAviation, that's really stretching it. 1)Who knows what will happen in the next few years-and I really doubt TPAC is where WN will ex
89 Cubsrule : What makes you say that?
90 Sean-SAN- : There are more routes that have not been mentioned... LGA-TVC and LGA-Greenbrier Valley WV are some of the other routes Delta will be starting next mo
91 LHCVG : You're right, but that doesn't extend to airlines. Granted, as others have said on here previously, to some extent WiFi obviates the need for IFE for
92 United1 : I'm not sure why you think COs (or UAs) pilots will care if they shift 767s to EWR and redeploy the 752s to other routes...the net effect to them in
93 deltal1011man : If i am an EWR 757 pilot explain to me why i would want them to move more 757s down to IAD? CO's pilot union is alot like(IMO) the APA. While they do
94 Cubsrule : How is flying IAD-AMS rather than EWR-TXL a QOL hit? And since when to pilot unions have veto power over route planning?
95 STT757 : Obviously Smisek, who's been working with CO pilots for 15 years, believes otherwise.
96 deltal1011man : Unions have Vote power on codesharing, which it would be till SOC. Doesn't matter if UA owns CO or not it's still a codeshare. How is it a QOL hit? W
97 United1 : Which UA and CO are already doing... And make more money for doing less/same amount of work...as you get paid to DH.
98 Cubsrule : ..or crewing the aircraft through the European hub (e.g. EWR-AMS-IAD-AMS-EWR). Given that CO/UA codeshare, CO could start such a route tomorrow (with
99 United1 : There is that option as well....UA/CO should be able to cross fleet almost immediately.
100 STT757 : It's being held up because of the pilot's concerns about their flying being farmed out to foreign carriers, meanwhile the codeshare with UA is going
101 deltal1011man : but AFAIK its limited. so UA1 let put it this way. You live in NYC. You can do EWR-AMS non-stop or you can do EWR-IAD-AMS. same price same airline(no
102 lucky777 : Huh??? You must live under a rock. AA underwing employees, which are already the 2nd highest paid behind LUV, just received a contract proposal from
103 FL787 : Nobody said they are going to end EWR-AMS. We are only talking about the routes pilots will fly.
104 FL787 : I see a lot out of EWR, UA flight 3245 from EWR to AMS for example.
105 deltal1011man : Yea i got that. Again I'll ask EWR-IAD-AMS or EWR-AMS. which has nothing to do with what i said. ok thaks
106 United1 : I'm not sure what limitations, if any there are but UA and CO seem to be aggressively adding code shares on each others flights. All 3 IAD-LHR flight
107 Post contains images FL787 : Asking who? Customers or pilots? Here's your quote: As a customer, why can't I still fly EWR-AMS nonstop? I earn the same amount of miles (both EQM a
108 United1 : Why would a dead heading pilot care about price or extra FF miles....the airline is paying them to fly not the other way around. At any rate I don't
109 laxboeingman : Where is DL getting the e/q to operate these new routes. Wasn't the NW e/q just repainted and sent back to the routes that they were operating with th
110 worldtraveler : because CO can have revenue sharing w/ foreign carriers but cannot with UA on domestic routes right now...simple codesharing is not a threat to pilot
111 deltal1011man : As a person. AFIAK UA1 is not a pilot so i was saying something he could do(aka as a PAX) ughhhh fine. If you were a pilot, which one would you want
112 United1 : I could take the nonstop 757 out of IAD or the nonstop 767 out of EWR...as a Pax I have choices... actually it would make absolutely no difference to
113 peanuts : You honestly believe WN will be waltzing into Europe one day and take it by storm??? Highly doubtful they way you envision it. Before they enter, the
114 steex : This is not the case at all; DL has started intermixing pre-merger fleets significantly throughout the system. You can now find MD88/90 and 763 route
115 deltal1011man : the 332 and 77L fleet s are pretty tight, but they have room in the 333 and 77E fleet. The 764 fleet is also pretty tight with these last adds. (and
116 Cubsrule : So the trip goes junior. What difference does that make?
117 deltal1011man : point is why would the union let it happen if they could stop it?
118 United1 : Point is why would they want to stop it...in the long run it creates stable jobs...and that is good for their members.
119 deltal1011man : it adds no jobs to the pilot group. Moving a 767 to EWR doesn't do anything to add jobs. Once they have SOC they cant stop it, but preSOC i'm not sur
120 Cubsrule : Because a rising tide lifts all ships? And how exactly would the union stop it?
121 deltal1011man : Well *if* they have the same rules as DALPA then they would have to approve any moves like that. (again PreSOC) Again I'm not talking post SOC, but y
122 United1 : It also doesn't cut them and if reinforces EWR and allows them to grow the base it most certainly will add jobs. Just as DL adding mainline flights a
123 PSU.DTW.SCE : So the currently electronic schedule now shows the new flights.... Any idea where the new LGA slots came from to enable the new flights to BNA, STL, a
124 NYCAdvantage : [quote=peanuts,reply=113]There are other reasons for being "conservative AA style". Something to think about is AA is just about to get ATI with BA/IB
125 deltal1011man : LGA may be a % based airport. IE only have to use 90% of you total slots which could explain. not really. It may add a few slots but as long as EWR h
126 United1 : I think you made my point for me when you said.... ...thats exactly what UA and DL are going to be doing in NY.
127 Cubsrule : So if Delta wanted to start ORD-LHR, the pilots would have to approve it? That's absurd...
128 scorpy : Don't forget, it was only 6 years ago or so that UA was running flights like EWR-LHR; JFK-LHR; JFK-NRT etc. THey stopped them because they were not m
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