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CHS and GSP to See Signficant Air Service from WN  
User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14660 times:

Apparently, there is a press conference at 2 pm today to announce new service. Any ideas?

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14632 times:

Southwest?

There has been wide speculation over WN to SC.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14586 times:

Southwest would probably be the only announcement I would consider significant ... we'll see ...

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14502 times:

I dont think the LCC subsidy bill has been passed yet.

The timing for it to be FL is off, because you would think they would want to hit the peak summer season.

I guess i can't rule out a 1x B6 E190 to JFK or something.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14410 times:

Does G4 already serve CHS, or have they in the past?


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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14348 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
I dont think the LCC subsidy bill has been passed yet.

CHS was working on on passing it's own tax (on rental cars?) to help lure an LCC. Seems a little fast to already have somone but we'll see.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
The timing for it to be FL is off, because you would think they would want to hit the peak summer season.

That would be true for any carrier. FL had said (prior to leaving) that they would serve CHS if a subsidy was given.


Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Does G4 already serve CHS, or have they in the past?

They don't currenly serve CHS and frankly I don't consider G4 a major service announcement. While G4 does a great job of providing cheap flights to Florida, they don't have much of an overall impact on service and fares since they have no network connectivity.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14320 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
That would be true for any carrier. FL had said (prior to leaving) that they would serve CHS if a subsidy was given.

well FL seems more seasonal oriented, though id suspect them to be weary of a WN entry.

[Edited 2010-05-11 10:55:56]


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User currently offlinescflyboy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14266 times:

Southwest at Charleston and Greenville!!

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2...t-about-announce-new-low-fare-ser/


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14216 times:

Quoting scflyboy (Reply 7):
Southwest at Charleston and Greenville!!

I speculated in the other thread that they could split the service. Bad day for CAE though!

I'd imagine we will see two smaller stations, about 7-8 flights each

3x BWI
2x MDW
1x MCO
1x BNA/TPA or 4th BWI

[Edited 2010-05-11 10:56:11]


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14110 times:

Congratulations WN, CHS and GSP! And all of SC for that matter.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
Bad day for CAE though!

But good news in a way for CAE travelers--they have a more "doable" driving option--an hour and a half to CHS or GSP isn't too bad...



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14056 times:

Hot off of the Southwest.com website:

http://www.southwest.com/about_swa/p...index.html?int=GFOOTER-ABOUT-PRESS



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14046 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):

3x BWI
2x MDW
1x MCO
1x BNA/TPA or 4th BWI

I don't wanna speculate, it won't be announced today but your missing a Wright Amendment city, if they are going to go to midwest they need to go to STL over BNA purely to provide DAL service.

I expect HOU instead of TPA/BNA

Alex



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13902 times:

Well this should make a few certain posters very happy.

Despite WN's press, I suspect they will take the subsidies, hence the significant lead time to announce these markets. I think the number of flights/destinations will depend on the subsidies.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 9):
But good news in a way for CAE travelers--they have a more "doable" driving option--an hour and a half to CHS or GSP isn't too bad...

If you are trying to develop new business in your community, this is bad. Businesses don't want to have to drive 1.5 hours to get a decent fare. Not great for tourism either...though I don't think CAE is a big tourist destination anyway.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 11):
I don't wanna speculate, it won't be announced today but your missing a Wright Amendment city, if they are going to go to midwest they need to go to STL over BNA purely to provide DAL service.

I expect HOU instead of TPA/BNA

Theres plenty of key WN cities that like a wright amendment city. PVD is just a few flights behind PDX and SEA and just ahead of BHM and SDF and they dont have a WA city. PIT, ORF, BUF and PBI also lack a WA city... with small markets like GSP and CHS I just dont see it being a priority.



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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3867 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13890 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 11):
I don't wanna speculate, it won't be announced today but your missing a Wright Amendment city, if they are going to go to midwest they need to go to STL over BNA purely to provide DAL service.

I expect HOU instead of TPA/BNA

I disagree. BNA has nonstop service to every other city in the southeast except JAN, RSW & PBI. And if they choose HOU as one of the cities, then Dallas passengers could transfer there. DAL-HOU-CHS is about 100 miles shorter than DAL-STL-CHS.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13809 times:

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 14):

I disagree. BNA has nonstop service to every other city in the southeast except JAN, RSW & PBI. And if they choose HOU as one of the cities, then Dallas passengers could transfer there. DAL-HOU-CHS is about 100 miles shorter than DAL-STL-CHS.

Mike, I agree, that's why I said in my last sentence, I expect it to go to HOU, just as you said.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 11):

I expect HOU instead of TPA/BNA
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):

Theres plenty of key WN cities that like a wright amendment city. PVD is just a few flights behind PDX and SEA and just ahead of BHM and SDF

SEA and PDX always had MCI (a wright amendment city) service, which has N.S to DAL, now SEA has STL too.

BHM and SDF both have HOU and STL service, Wright Amendment city.

PVD would be the only city you mentioned that currently does not have service to a W.A city.

Alex



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13692 times:

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 14):
I disagree. BNA has nonstop service to every other city in the southeast except JAN, RSW & PBI. And if they choose HOU as one of the cities, then Dallas passengers could transfer there. DAL-HOU-CHS is about 100 miles shorter than DAL-STL-CHS.

Just in terms of cities and not frequencies, we can probably look to surrounding small-ish stations (RDU, JAX, and BHM) for a hint of what they might do. Here are the cities that each sees:

JAX: LAS, HOU, TPA, FLL, BHM, BNA, ORF, BWI, PHL
RDU: PHX, LAS, DEN, TPA, FLL, MCO, BNA, STL, MDW, BWI, PHL
BHM: PHX, LAS, DAL, HOU, MSY, TPA, MCO, JAX, BNA, SDF, STL, MDW, BWI

I think it's a pretty safe bet that the cities that will see GSP and CAE service will come off of that list. Of those cities, the following show up on all 3 lists: LAS, TPA, BNA, BWI. I'd add MCO too; they don't fly JAX-MCO because of its length.

BNA and BWI seem like slam dunks, and will probably account for 5-6 daily flights between them to both GSP and CHS. I also think a single daily GSP-LAS flight is likely, but if they really see CHS as a "tourist destination," I don't see CHS-LAS; most tourist demand to South Carolina is from east of Interstate 35.

Despite the fact that WN inexplicably does not fly MDW-JAX, I think both will probably also get a flight or two to MDW.

Because they say they see CHS as a leisure destination, it would not shock me to see CHS not get any Florida service. I expect that GSP will get two Florida flights. I see one to MCO/TPA for connections as much as O&D and one to FLL. There's a fair amount of leisure demand between South Florida and western North Carolina, and WN could tap that with FLL service.

Having said all that, for GSP I see
3x BWI
2x BNA
2x MDW
1x TPA
1x FLL
1x LAS

For CHS, I see
4x BWI
3x BNA
2x MDW



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13669 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 15):
PVD would be the only city you mentioned that currently does not have service to a W.A city.

What was my point.... those cities all have it, and a comprable sized WN station thats been around for almost 15 years and will be up to a 5x larger station than GSP/CHS does not.

Its convenient if it works out, but I dont think WN makes it a priority. The only reason BOS got STL is because AA dropped it down to 2x ERD. but like I said, PIT BUF ORF and PBI are all newer WN cities that dont have it, and RDU only recently got it with STL. I dont see them going out of their way to give them one stop service when plently of larger stations settle for 2-stop.



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13644 times:

Kind of reminds me of the old National Airlines days with cities hugging the coast...CHS, JAX, ORF, FLL, PBI, TPA, PFN (soon ECP), MSY, etc... I miss the SunKing!


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13586 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 17):
I dont see them going out of their way to give them one stop service when plently of larger stations settle for 2-stop.

  

When we talk about "Wright Amendment city adds," what we are really talking about is "STL adds." We don't see WN adding RDU-HOU or BOS-MCI (even though both routes might make sense). The ability to serve DAL is a nice side effect of filling in the void left by AA at STL. But with gate space limited at STL, I don't see them adding GSP or CHS-STL for the sake of giving those cities one-stop DAL service only.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13564 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Having said all that, for GSP I see
3x BWI
2x BNA
2x MDW
1x TPA
1x FLL
1x LAS

For CHS, I see
4x BWI
3x BNA
2x MDW

I will be surprised if each station starts with more than 8 flights....usual suspect cities of course... though I dont think we will see anything west of the mississippi



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13512 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
But with gate space limited at STL, I don't see them adding GSP or CHS-STL for the sake of giving those cities one-stop DAL service only.

Correct, I was not stating that STL would happen, but was saying it would be shocking to see BNA a midwest city get it over STL, when BNA and STL now provide almost easy/same connections IN ADDITION, to offering DAL service out of STL, a 2 for one deal.

But as people are not quoting me entirely, I added at the end, I agreed that HOU should see it over BNA/TPA if it came down to it, STL will not happen.

Alex



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13486 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
But with gate space limited at STL, I don't see them adding GSP or CHS-STL for the sake of giving those cities one-stop DAL service only.

Since when is gate space limited at STL? If WN needs more gates at STL, they can easily get them. I do agree that GSP/CHS-STL is unlikely.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
BNA and BWI seem like slam dunks, and will probably account for 5-6 daily flights between them to both GSP and CHS. I also think a single daily GSP-LAS flight is likely, but if they really see CHS as a "tourist destination," I don't see CHS-LAS; most tourist demand to South Carolina is from east of Interstate 35.

BNA-CHS is somewhat likely to cater to the tourist crowd (similar to BNA-ECP) plus connections. I have doubts that GSP-BNA would have much value though.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
For CHS, I see
4x BWI
3x BNA
2x MDW

WN only flies JAX-BWI 3x...so I kind of doubt that CHS would have an even higher frequency. I also think BNA-CHS 3x daily would be overkill.

I would look to ECP as a model for CHS service.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13415 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
Since when is gate space limited at STL?

It isn't. WN's gate space is - and WN isn't going to go out and get more gates just to fly to CHS or GSP.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
WN only flies JAX-BWI 3x...so I kind of doubt that CHS would have an even higher frequency. I also think BNA-CHS 3x daily would be overkill.

JAX doesn't have much of a tourist component, though - and also sees several more cities. All of that traffic has to come through a "hub" to get to CHS.

My thinking on the CHS frequencies was based on 8-9 total flights and only three destinations. I'm comfortable with the number of flights, and I don't see a fourth destination.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13287 times:

Even though the GSP metro/market area has seen a good bit of new corporate activity announced (even in this "down" economy), this should firmly accelerate growth in the Upstate region, which will then create even MORE demand for air travel.   

I just hope that WN doesn't fly to Florida from GSP! Allegiant is doing quite well, and it'd be cool to have WN complement that existing LCC service with flights connecting to the West and Midwest.

[Edited 2010-05-11 12:43:39]

[Edited 2010-05-11 12:55:06 by srbmod]


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25 Post contains images AVLAirlineFreq : Oh, come on GSP! Beggars can't be choosers! This is all we've been hearing from you for eons now! [Edited 2010-05-11 12:55:39 by srbmod]
26 iloveboeing : YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! GSP is not far from where my grandparents live (near Breva
27 ERJ170 : If I had to guess.. it would be this for me.. GSP = 3x BWI, 2x BNA, 1x MCO, 1x TPA ( 7 cities) CHS = 4x BWI, 2x BNA, 1x MCO, 1x TPA ( 8 cities) Wildca
28 iloveboeing : I would guess GSP-MDW, to allow for connections from the Midwest and West Coast; although that could also be done from BWI, as you also guessed. This
29 FlyPNS1 : I wouldn't get too far ahead of yourself there. The arrival of WN will not by itself have much of an impact on economic growth...particularly for a s
30 ERJ170 : I wonder if WN would do CHS-SEA for the Boeing traffic.. or is there perhaps not enough.. I love these guessing games!
31 FATFlyer : Congrats to CHS and GSP. It also leaves hope for those of us in similiar markets (like here at FAT) that WN has not forgotten about the midsized regio
32 Post contains images RL757PVD : I mentioned in the other thread, that if these stations are opened with 6-8 flights as I am expecting, then it could send a strong signal to the larg
33 Cubsrule : But again, I'm assuming that we have to get to 8 flights or so - WN is opening these stations without subsidy, and that has generally been the rule a
34 RL757PVD : I think we may see WN try to efficiently run a small station of between 6 and 8 flights. They are very labor intensive from what I have noticed in th
35 737tanker : While you are correct in that WN isn't going to open gates at STL for service to CHS/GSP you are wrong that their gate space is limited. WN has close
36 Cubsrule : At least one of those gates cannot accommodate wingletted aircraft, and a couple of them now have a bag sort facility underneath them.
37 smoot4208 : I wonder if they are banking on trying to catch people from both ATL & CLT for serving GSP? This is good news for CLT because I think this move en
38 dl767captain : CHS and ATL are place i fly to about 4 times a year each, so it will be interesting to see what the price of SAN-CHS will be on southwest and what eff
39 FlyPNS1 : I think you will see WN open markets with fewer frequencies. I think 7-8 flights is very possible...for CHS that might mean 2-3x BWI, 2x MDW, 2x BNA
40 Cubsrule : Is HOU too far west? I know CHS has more tourist demand from the east coast and midwest, but I don't know how much more. What differences in airport
41 ssides : I must say that GSP is a surprise. CHS makes sense as a tourist destination, a nice follow on to the ECP service. But GSP? My guess is this is being d
42 GSPSPOT : I think you're REALLY underestimating the economic activity going on here. JAN and CRP don't strike me as magnets for corporate activity or research.
43 Post contains links stl1326 : Cubsrule (Reply 36): The baggage handling facility was made to accommodate jet-bridges at gates E-22 and E24.[Edited 2010-05-11 15:21:45][Edited 2010-
44 joeljack : WN doesn't even serve OMA-BWI...no way DSM-BWI would happen. Exchange the BWI projection for LAS and then maybe. Remember DSM is close to MCI and OMA
45 RL757PVD : Those were all just simply hypothetical, but it shows that those previously unviable cities can get to 6-8 flights if thats the way WN wants to go. F
46 Cubsrule : I think we are arguing semantics - it's "go out and get jet bridges" - which they'd need to do at 22 and 24 versus "go out and get gates" - which the
47 FlyPNS1 : I think WN is definitely waiting to see what subsidies they can get before announcing anything definite. Despite the media, I expect WN to seek subsi
48 JBAirwaysFan : CHS was probably a give away, GSP was not something I saw coming.
49 dbo861 : That's assuming another LCC (AirTran) doesn't continue growing in DSM. They've already added a weekly MCO flight after only serving DSM like 2 months
50 Post contains images FutureUScapt : Exactly. You could edit your statement to say that this is good news for US in CLT but since the success of CLT is directly tied to the success of th
51 FATFlyer : A few years ago FAT was having good talks with WN, my understanding is they saw it viable even back then. Of course, the Fresno MSA (without includin
52 iowaman : Swap BWI for LAS, Vegas is generally the #1 market for DSM. It'll be 3x weekly this summer, too. DSM-ATL would be a huge hit both O&D wise and co
53 MLD9S : My thoughts: You are correct. The article linked in Reply 7 states that the subsidy plan as been set aside for now. Why do Charleston and Greenville h
54 GSPSPOT : Most cities WN has started service to probably weren't consistently in the top 5 most expensive markets in the country (some may have been at one poi
55 Cubsrule : What's the navy's policy on flying versus driving? It's not a terrible drive; I'd guess about 4 or 4 and a half hours (across 17 to 95 and 95 the res
56 GSPSPOT : No one said that companies will be clamoring to locate here the minute WN starts service at GSP. Once the service takes hold and more pax use GSP (vi
57 FlyPNS1 : No doubt GSP traffic will grow, but as you point out much of that will just be recapturing GSP's own leakage. In reality, companies don't base their
58 GlobalCabotage : BWI and MDW are a given from both. BNA and HOU seem like strong contenders. Also, I here that MDW to JAX, OKC, and TUL will happen in the next year as
59 Post contains images CAETravlr : Just had to quote the above given my a.net name... Seriously though, when I lived in CAE, I was dying for Southwest to come somewhere near the area.
60 justplanenutz : Man, I've wanted to post on this all day, but haven't had the time. BRAVO WN, GSP and CHS. Political types have said GSP will open in March, but I've
61 Post contains images joeljack : True they would draw from CID/ Iowa City area. From DSM-the Omaha airport being on the east side of town is actually pretty close to Des Moines...1:4
62 FlyPNS1 : I never said the subsidies would come from the state...only that WN would get subsidies. You seem to believe the same.
63 GSPSPOT : Not bad, considering the subsidy amount WN needed to go to Panama City was what, $23 million or something?
64 GSPSPOT : GSP recouping it's rightful market share will only be the beginning, mark my words. This area is SOOOO much better than the level of air service it cu
65 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : I think Jackson Hole,WY is way out of thatt area I know you meant Jacksonville, FL (JAX). Just had to point it out. As for SC: When I visited GSP air
66 atrude777 : All Right..let me clarify. I am not saying they HAVE to have direct link to Dallas, I was simply commenting, if WN was going to add a Midwest city to
67 Cubsrule : But STL is 250 miles farther - more out of the way for connections to most of the midwest. So you get better connections to five or ten cities at BNA
68 joeljack : Actually I was thinking of JAN...Jackson, MS not JAX...although that's right down the road too. Opps...good catch.
69 atrude777 : 250 miles farther from where? BNA? STL can get you to 6 Midwest cities that BNA cannot, MSP, TUL, OKC, LIT, OMA and SDF. There is nothing BNA has STL
70 Post contains images uncGSO : Congrats to GSP and CHS....now at least one can hope for GSO service to draw northern CLT, Triad, HKY, Boone, and Southwest Virginia. This (along with
71 LoneStarMike : To me, "dead" means no more talk - ever - on an incentive bill. I don't think that's the case. From that article linked to in reply #7 (emphasis adde
72 KcrwFlyer : Really? This is the first I've heard of this.. Swear I've never really gotten that vibe from you. Congrats, just hope you dont still want FL.
73 Post contains links justplanenutz : I'm sure they'll be some tooth gnashing by the CAE folks in the future, but let's be honest: the incentives were all about luring WN. Now that WN is
74 justplanenutz : While you are correct there are not a lot of press releases floating around that credit WN with specific business expansions, I would fundamentally d
75 AVLAirlineFreq : But wouldn't the behemoth presence offered by AA and CO in Texas be even more of a factor? (And a lack of income taxes.) For years all we've heard is
76 justplanenutz : Certainly helps with the CEO if you're an economic developer. Absolutely helps, but when was the last time you heard of a business relocating to DTW
77 EMB170 : IIRC, wasn't RIC one of the cities that WN had announced right before 9/11 happened? ORF had, for whatever reason, already started, but RIC hadn't (a
78 FlyPNS1 : Except that airfares to Dallas have historically been a bit high for any market beyond the Wright Amendment. Despite that, Dallas has grown tremendou
79 LoneStarMike : Thanks for the link. It's noted in the article that the bill is likely dead for this year, then goes on to say: As far as Southwest opposing any new
80 BHMAL : This reminds me of several years ago when WN announced ORF and RIC at the same time. The announcement, like this one, was well before the start of sch
81 GSPSPOT : True enough. WN would be insane not to avail themselves of the $ to start new routes from GSP and/or CHS, should it be offered to incumbents as well.
82 gsoflyer : Why would they serve GSO? WN has now proven that they will serve two markets smaller than the area of GSO that isn't overlapped by the RDU catchment
83 Post contains links ScottB : That's not exactly what was said with respect to Richmond. Here's the press release announcing Southwest's addition of Norfolk: http://phx.corporate-
84 justplanenutz : I'm sure they'll take any free money that anyone wants to give them, whether for startup or addtional service. But the political calculus of this has
85 Cubsrule : From South Carolina. STL is a worse connecting point for for any city to which both have service because you fly right over BNA to get to STL. Offeri
86 Womack17 : I think my friend, ERJ170, may be onto something here. I don't think this is as far-fetched as one may initially think. JI always had nice loads betw
87 cltguy : Are CHS and GSP ready for Southwest? How many available gates are at CHS and GSP? What is the parking situation like at both airports? Any immediate c
88 Post contains images GSPSPOT : Nothing I'm aware of at GSP. There are 2-3 open gates at GSP (2 new jetbridges were purchased & installed last year at the end of Concourse A-not
89 LoneStarMike : Did you perhaps mean the two new jetbridges were installed at the end of Concourse B? LoneStarMike
90 Post contains images GSPSPOT : No, Conc. A - there were 2 doorways with gate numbers at the very tip-end of A between A6 & A7 when we flew early last year. The end of Conc. B i
91 LoneStarMike : OK - thanks. I've only flown out of GSP once and that was in 1995 and was relying on memory and the terminal map you provided. With the additional ph
92 GSP psgr : I'm not sure where WN ends up at GSP. If I were running the show, I'd move American over to B4, as to balance out traffic between the concourses; Delt
93 GSPSPOT : Interesting - hadn't thought of shuffling things around, but I was aware of at least 1 gate on B that has a jetbridge, but no one is using, in additi
94 RL757PVD : Im thinking they will be taking one gate, they can do up to 12-14 flights from one gate (they did 18 at PVD before they grabbed 3 more). Its going to
95 GSPSPOT : I stand corrected - it's not in the IMMEDIATE future, but GSP is currently conducting terminal area study that will "result in major renovations". Ca
96 Cubsrule : Agreed - unless the airport gives them two gates for the price of one. Then, they might take two just to make things a bit easier. I don't foresee th
97 GSP psgr : Well, if they're only going to take 1 gate, the logical thing would be to put them down on B; but eventually they might need a second gate, and DL has
98 justplanenutz : You were sitting on G4 when you took that, weren't you?
99 Post contains images GSPSPOT : Yup....
100 clemsonaj : Interesting timing...Especially if Dave Ridley is supposed to attend a Clemson commencement sometime in the near future seeing as how his son is atte
101 Post contains images RL757PVD : Actually AA has come and gone from PVD about 5 times now... but one of their stays and a direct flight to DFW via EWR was directly related to Bob Cra
102 ERJ170 : Didn't Midwest start RDU service the first time because one of the executive's kids went to Dook (and overpaid for a community college education, but
103 AVLAirlineFreq : Why do you think AVL had service to MSP for several years?
104 Post contains links justplanenutz : This wouldn't be your preferred alternative, now would it? http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...e-arrests-20100513,0,6615774.story
105 GSPSPOT : GSP was scheduled to have an MSP flight (officially announced) a couple of times, but I'm not sure they ever materialized. Or maybe operated a very s
106 GSP psgr : We actually had it for a few months; I was flying NW GSP-MEM-DTW-DCA one morning and the MSP flight went mechanical; they put everyone on my MEM flig
107 Post contains images GSPSPOT : I remember that! Was announced the summer of '01, then 9/11 and the travel downturn happened, so it never started...
108 ERJ170 : Hahaha.. Baltimore and Maryland are in a category all to themselves.. but I am still not thought provoked of the Dookies, being a 'Heel myself..
109 CIDflyer : I like this idea, not just because CID is my home airport, but because of your filling the holes theory. DSM disadvantage is the proximity to OMA nad
110 Post contains images GSPSPOT : Back to the future, eh?
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