Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
BREAKING: Crash Landing In Tripoli, Libya:  
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 89563 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

105 deads, aircraft was inbound from JNB.

I guess Afriqiyah's (8U) A332 that was due to land at 6.20am.


The news comes from AFP in Paris.

[Edited 2010-05-12 00:09:55]

[Edited 2010-05-12 00:16:06]


Life is great at 41.000 feet...
229 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 89579 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Sorry to hear it , I can only hope that initial reports are pessimistic and that the toll is lower than reported .


Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineFauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 89180 times:

Just heard of it on Twitter. Nothing on CNN or BBC yet though. This is not a good year for the aviation industry  

Everyone is saying it is indeed the A332, 8U 771 from Johannesburg.



BI - The Asian Underdog
User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 89138 times:

Sad news. I'm reading 94 passengers and 11 crew. This is the first hull loss for an A332 correct?


Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 88976 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
This is the first hull loss for an A332 correct?

No , did you miss the twenty plus threads about the loss of AF447 ?



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlinemfz From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 258 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 88971 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
This is the first hull loss for an A332 correct?

No, AF447 over the South Atlantic last year was also an A330-200.



Extra Bavariam non est vita et si est non est ita! --- My flights: http://my.flightmemory.com/mfz
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 88306 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I guess that if there is any good side to this it is that the plane was less than half full . I believe that the seating capacity on Afriqyah A330s is around 230 pax , but I guess that is not much consolation to those who had somebody aboard .


Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 88354 times:

I'm hearing 94 pax and 11 crew. Unconfirmed.

 

A tragic day for commercial aviation.

Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 88157 times:

BBC News:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8676758.stm

Very sad

/Mike  



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlinejensobreuer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 88163 times:

Afriqiah's A332 are quite new - less than a year ...

MSN | Type | Delivery date | Registration
999 330-202 11/08/2009 5A-ONF
1024 330-202 08/09/2009 5A-ONG
1043 330-202 01/10/2009 5A-ONH


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 87864 times:

Looks similar to the Korean Air Dc10 crash also in TIP and around the same time twenty years ago, but most survived it.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...&sjid=KIEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5557,5957147

[Edited 2010-05-12 00:38:37]

User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 87630 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
No , did you miss the twenty plus threads about the loss of AF447 ?
Quoting mfz (Reply 5):
No, AF447 over the South Atlantic last year was also an A330-200.

Oh good God! How could I ever have forgotten that? Anyway, sad news. Hopefully they are able to find survivors.



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 87429 times:

Yup..just confirmed on BBC..and ABC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8676758.stm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/12/2897709.htm

Sad news..RIP all those who perished..wonder what the cause was...

[Edited 2010-05-12 00:39:06]


אני תומך בישראל
User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2536 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 87104 times:

my dad just called he lives in Libya...he was on that a/c just a few days ago.....weird feeling...


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 86919 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Afriqyah have now confirmed the crash on their website


http://www.afriqiyah.aero/news/7-afriqiyah-flight-771-crash.html

...Afriqiyah Airways ,Announce that our flight 8U771 had an accident during landing at Tripoli International airport at 04:00 UTC. (06:00 AM Tripoli time) Today Wednesday 12 May.
At this moment we have no information concerning possible casualties or survivors. Our information is that were 93 passenger and 11 crew aboard. The competent authorities are conducting the search and rescue mission.
Further statements will be announced in due course. ...



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlinejambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 86888 times:

damn sad!
RIP crew and pax of 8u flight.

I hear morocco closed airspace earlier on and nigeria are planning to follow due ash cloud.


User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2536 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 86677 times:

weather right now showing fog for tripoli.....

CAT 1 is the only approach that i know of, flown in and out of TIP as crew for a few years...don't know if a new cat II exists...probably not...



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 86007 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Latests AFP reports from Libya suggest the aircraft exploded upon landing and totally disintegrated itself according to local airports security sources.

I fear we'll get very few reliable informations from a country such as Libya.

RIP to all victims.



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 85566 times:

Relevant METARS:

METAR HLLT 120350Z VRB01KT 6000 NSC 19/17 Q1008
METAR HLLT 120420Z 27007KT 5000 BR NSC 19/17 Q1009

Interestingly, there was a SPECI broadcast at 0425Z, with visibility degraded to 2000m



on Twitter @tombeckett2285
User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 85481 times:

Thats such a shame, i love their A330's got a few photos of them, i think they fly to LGW not LHR unless they changed over recently.

Rest |n Peace, i agree that we shouldnt say the A330 is unsafe, its just got more publicity, like the DC10 did, no DC10 crashes have happened for a while now since they got to understand its characteristics.


User currently offlineFauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 85237 times:

Now AFP are reporting that there is a survivor, a Dutch child. Let's hope there are more survivors!


BI - The Asian Underdog
User currently onlineolympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 85289 times:

Fox News headlined one survivor, an 8 years old. I hope for better news.


Civil Aviation has a "Need for Speed"!
User currently offlinesevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 85315 times:

RIP to all who perished.

Dutch news is reporting at least one dutch child has survived.



Всяк глядит, да не всяк видит.
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 84565 times:

They are a LGW carrier, not LHR.


Sad news to wake up to this morning  


User currently offlinehoppe777 From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 84592 times:

RIP  

seems to be quite a few accidents involving the A330 in recent years. Hope its just coincidence



Sometime in easter 10 .... yet to book :)
25 miami1 : Forgive my ignorance but is the volcanic ash cloud or its effects anywhere near Libya? i know Morroco is closed and is a far distance away geographica
26 SIBILLE : I may be wrong but I think it's only the 3rd A-330 accident. The first one was on a test flight a long time ago, the second one was AF flight from Ri
27 KFlyer : Has been on approach to runway 09
28 vfw614 : I guess there will have been quite a few connecting passengers with final desitnations in Europe on board. 8U has built up some sort of small hub oper
29 pilotaydin : there have been TWO so far, operating as a pax flight with life loss.....
30 tom355uk : Seems unusual, given that the winds, although variable seemed predominantly from the west? Does anybody have any approach charts or such? Pilotaydin
31 cedars747 : From the Afriqiyah Airways website on Flight 771 crash Afriqiyah Airways ,Announce that our flight 8U771 had an accident during landing at Tripoli Int
32 pilotaydin : why is it an unfair comment...80%+ of most accidents are pilot error, that isn't my opinion... and if look closely, i AM one of the 2-3 people up fro
33 Post contains links mah4546 : An 8-year old Dutch boy survived the crash. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1051653
34 pilotaydin : Runway 27 has ILS from what i remember but 09 is a vor or ndm approach...im loading the charts now as we speak ill tro to post them
35 QatarA340 : Anybody know the weather in Libya? As of this post, the weather is mostly cloudy and a fair 22 deg. I dont think weather is a problem. Even though we
36 cchan : RIP to those on board who lost their lives. If my understanding is correct, this airline offers quite good deals from SA to Europe. Looks like there a
37 pilotaydin : both approaches are within limits...the VOR 09 and the ILS 27....visibility was not an issue, the TK crew have been in and out today as i've learned.
38 KFlyer : Yes, EUR111 one way LGW to JNB. The Wikipedia article says its final destination was LGW. So there must have been some connection although it's not th
39 Post contains links KFlyer : Rwy 09 has VOR and NDB. The aircraft reportedly had a go around. Some info I found is in my post at http://www.airlineindustryreview.com/afriqyah-airb
40 Post contains links Flyingfox27 : Was it (out of my photos) 5A-ONH - March 2010 http://www.flickr.com/photos/2196765.../sizes/m/in/set-72157623784959099/ Or 5A-ONF - April 2010 http://
41 RJ111 : I hope he wasn't travelling with his parents. Hopefully the FDR will be easier to find this time.
42 pilotaydin : i wish we could see some pics...none of the news channels are saying or showing anything aside from a small ticker now and then...
43 Post contains images Vivekman2006 : RIP to those who lost their lives. There seem to be different versions of the incident. Has the aircraft actually crashed before reaching the airport,
44 Pellegrine : So unfortunate to be up to this information. US news isn't reporting anything about it. Have to go international to find anything.
45 Post contains images Aleksandar : Really sad news I just heard about the crash. My all the victims RIP There was also one, almost an accident, with Air Transat A330 and its fuel proble
46 trintocan : A very tragic way to start the day. May those who lost their lives rest in peace. The news is indeed reporting one survivor - a miracle amidst the tra
47 Post contains links Springbok747 : Watching the local news now and there is NOTHING about the crash...so much for our stupid news. They seem to be more concerned about some stupid footb
48 severnaya : Avherald report it happened within the airport perimeter and no post impact fire occurred. Could that mean the aircraft ran out of fuel?
49 Post contains images jayeshrulz : Was the aircraft descending so fast that it just crashed on impact?? If there was no fire, i guess many if not all could be rescued. May the Victims R
50 surfandsnow : I wonder this as well. Turkey is well to the East of Morocco and Spain and yet its Southern airspace was closed due to ash. If this is the first cras
51 Post contains links hoppe777 : A sad state indeed. There has been another instance in the last year where in Australia a Qantas A330 lost altitude. see link. http://www.guardian.co
52 Post contains images uaeflyer : Only one child from Netherland survived. What a sad news to hear.
53 QatarA340 : There is nothing on CNN about this! I cant believe it. Confirmed facts: 1. A332 2. enroute from S.A. to Tripoli 3. roughly 100 people onboard Unconfi
54 RJ111 : Most crashes happen on impact...
55 slats : Thoughts and prayers for all those on board.
56 Post contains images Fauzi : Hmm CNN started covering this about 30 minutes ago. But they've told nothing new that we know of from A.net. No updates so far from Libya.
57 Post contains links frigatebird : It is true that in a crash landing most people perish because of the resulting fire... But unfortunately, the impact itself can be pretty disastrous
58 JRadier : Could be, but it doesn't have to be that way. With the TK crash in AMS there was no post-crash fire either while there still was fuel on board.
59 macc : no post crash fire? than there could not have been an explosion I presume, as stated in the beginning. odd that there would not be more survivors...
60 Post contains links HansHubers : Confirmed according Dutch newssite Nu.nl (Dutch link): http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2245734/...ind-overlevende-crash-tripoli.html
61 ChallengerDan : CNN just had images of the scene. Aircraft completely disintegrated, but no obvious sign of fire.
62 Post contains links Flying Belgian : http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1273643671.png I think the cloud has nothing to do if you know a bit about local geography.
63 KFlyer : Well, no post crash is still unconfirmed, right.. But let's hope it is, and may more people survive. Ash was a good point, but unlikely that it affect
64 Fauzi : CNN are now showing pictures of the crash. Looks bad... debris/pieces/fragments of the plane are everywhere. No fire though. You could see the seats o
65 scouseflyer : and the British Midland crash on the M1 in the UK. No fire could suggest no or low fuel but impacts that spill fuel don't always result in a fire - t
66 Post contains images Flyingfox27 : Here they are after i found out i did the links wrong, such beautiful new aircraft. 5A-ONF - April 2010. (the angle was only just catching it in nick
67 JRadier : Most hilarious post of the day for me.... In that same link it states that DPA (German Press Agency) reports it as a 9-year old German girl, so uncon
68 ChallengerDan : CNN images also showed CVR and FDR. CVR base was bent... (if you don't know, these thinks are pretty heavy duty...)
69 ChallengerDan : Aljazeera also aired images of crash on their Newshour, tail section with small rudder section missing...[Edited 2010-05-12 02:05:15]
70 Post contains links KFlyer : Not 5A-ONH . She's been flying DAC-TIP this morning. http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/5a-onh/ Last recorded flight of ONF was 05/11 CDG-TIP, last re
71 Ushermittwoch : They are just showing first TV pictures. Sure looks like there was no / hardly any fire.
72 severnaya : Dutch foreign minister confirms dutch child survived the crash and several dutch people have died.
73 BrouAviation : Dutch Foreign Affairs confirm a Dutch child has survived.
74 Post contains links and images KFlyer : View Large View MediumPhoto © James Mepsted 5A-ONF. Note the missing winglet
75 scouseflyer : To be honest, it's very likely that this means nothing, the entire plane sounds like it's been smashed to millions of pieces so it's very likely the
76 Post contains links oly720man : From Sky "We hear that it happened one metre away from the runway." A security official said: "It exploded on landing and totally disintegrated." Ther
77 Post contains links jensobreuer : The German website of "Bild" has some photos: http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2010/05...ripolis/tote-verletzte-libyen.html[Edited 2010-05-12 02:19:22]
78 frigatebird : Correct. And now that you point that one out, it made me speculate that it could be that both engines weren't running? It's not that jet fuel catches
79 Post contains links scarebus03 : Some more photos on the Irish news site RTE http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0512/libya.html Brgds SB03
80 ChallengerDan : That was meant as a testimony of the severity of the crash, not as a cause. As usual, it is not appropriate to speculate on cause this early, but jus
81 BeakerLTN : I am quite suprised at the devastation, thinking how according to all reports in terms of distance from airport etc, this should be little different t
82 clydenairways : There is talk on another forum that the weather at the time was right on minimums for the non precision approach was only available.
83 KFlyer : @BeakerLTN Just what I thought too. The TK crash for example had a broken up but yet pretty much intact plane. May be the explosion story was true ?
84 clydenairways : Well the terrain around AMS is very different to TIP so the comparison is invalid.
85 FlyNWA727 : It's been on the news here in Washington, DC. Of course, the aircraft type wasn't mentioned. My deepest sympathies for those involved and their famili
86 Post contains images KFlyer : Photos All photos copyright to original authors
87 lhr380 : What on earth happened to cause so much destruction!!
88 Post contains links kiwiandrew : From the video footage shown on BBC it certainly does not look as though the crash happened on/near a runway . There seem to be trees at the crash sit
89 Post contains links RJ111 : Quite a few photos here... http://www.corriere.it/gallery/ester...da5-11df-8e28-00144f02aabe.shtml#2
90 Post contains links bthebest : BBC have video on their website that shows the FDRs. They look pretty beaten up though - must have been one hell of a crash. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/
91 KFlyer : Skyliner Aviation site says it was 5A-ONG, MSN 1024. Couldn't that be what the airport worker ( ? ) told as an explosion was true ? Can a crashed-shor
92 MerlinIIIB : Norwegian media claims crash site is 20 km from airport (?)
93 RJ111 : It looks like a real high energy impact based on the photos. Incredible that somebody survived that.
94 pilotaydin : unfortunately yes it can, it has enough energy to disintegrate like that, most times we are lucky to see any wreckage when we analze and draw a crash
95 chieft : It really looks like a high speed crash. Remembers me a bit, picture wise, about the UA232 crash in Sioux City
96 NZ107 : Just thinking the same thing. I just looked at Google Maps and by looking at the surroundings, the farmland doesn't really match the area around the
97 Flying Belgian : And no smoke at all. That's incredible.
98 pilotaydin : yes it looks quite rough indeed...from my training and experience, an a/c with a tail section that high off the ground and that far back, with the amo
99 frigatebird : Yes, the tail section is the only recognizable part of the airplane. At 1.17 of the video it appears the remains of the cockpit section can be seen,
100 Post contains images FlySSC : I left JNB yestruday evening on AF995. Landed at CDG this morning. Saw the Afriqiyah A330 parked right behind us at a remote stand ... weird feeling
101 pilotaydin : oh dear....yeah my dad sounded pretty shook up...it's hard enough for him being the dad of an airline pilot...
102 frigatebird : First reports are that he is doing reasonably well. Let's all hope and prey this is true. Around 12.15 Dutch time, the Dutch prime minister will hold
103 pilotaydin : Im very sorry to hear that...no matter where they are from, it is very sad... i think it's nice that certain nations are taking the time out for thei
104 KFlyer : @FlySSC 5A-ONG, wasn't it ? May all who perished rest in peace and may the child recover soon.
105 xanda : Terrible news - may all who perished RIP. Alex P
106 Post contains links and images Springbok747 : Aircraft 1024 was just eight months old, one of three A330s ordered by the Tripoli-based airline. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...h-identifies-
107 SLCGuy : Only a severe impact with the ground could cause that much damage, amazed that there was no explosion/fire with that type of impact. Miraculous that a
108 frigatebird : Yes, absolutely. It is a tragedy for everyone involved, no matter what nationality. Thank you, Pilotaydin. Dutch prime minister confirms several doze
109 OEH68 : What an awful tragedy! May all who perished rest in peace. And may they find the cause of this tragedy as soon as possible.
110 zainmax : Any other pictures of the crash site ? How come no fire ? It may be sign of a fuel starvation. .........
111 JoKeR : Very, very sad news, the crash scene looks very disturbing. It appears to be a high-speed imapct from the photos, there simply is nothing left (recogn
112 KFlyer : I'm not an expert on avionics or these matters. But if engines were still on, which could have likely be the cause for this much damage, and there was
113 777way : BBC video shows there was some fire and smoke being doused.
114 BrouAviation : Dutch Prime Minister announced 62 fatalities were Dutch. Of course, it doesn't make matters worse, but it hurts. That's for sure. The Dutch child, bei
115 Post contains links KL577 : It seems that the majority of passengers on board (63) were Dutch, of which 62 died. Most had taken part in a group holiday. http://www.nu.nl/binnenla
116 bushman : Not at all. Remember Eastern 401 L-1011 crash. There was a flash of fire when the fuel tanks disintegrated, but there was no subsequent fire. The sam
117 airkas1 : Not to nitpick, but NOS news says a total of 61 Dutch people were on board
118 BrouAviation : No, that is what ANWB says, reported on NOS news. FA announced 62 Dutch fatalities.
119 MauriceB : Just can't describe how terrible i feel right now. Sure, it's always tragic, no mather which nationality's are involved, but i just can't help it that
120 FlyNWA727 : This crash looks nothing like UA232. There were several major pieces left after that accident, including the huge mid-ship section of the aircraft wh
121 RJ111 : Why were there so many dutch peope on board? I realise that South Africa has a lot of Dutch connections, but still, that's a lot for an flight not ser
122 777way : ^ Budgeted tour group, same was the case in the 1992 PIA A300 crash in Kathmandu where 90% of the passengers were from all over Europe.[Edited 2010-05
123 francoflier : Let's just hope the investigation remains clear of any political agendas... Many European nations have seemed happy to turn a blind eye to Lybia's ma
124 MauriceB : A Dutch tour operator probably bought those seats, doesn't suprise me since both daily KL flights to South-Africa are most of the time totally filled
125 DRAIGONAIR : Dutch tour organisation ''KRAS'' organized the ticket. A total of 61 dutch people with a 8year old dutch boy being the sole survivor.
126 johruk : But there is a flight from TIP to AMS on 8U....I guess they were due to connect and might have been travelling as a group. Sincere condolences to all
127 teme82 : BBC's news clip shows some of the black boxes so I would assume that in time we will get the data from them to make conclusion what the heck went wron
128 frigatebird : Reportedly, they were to connect a flight to BRU from TIP.
129 Post contains images RJ111 : Yes, sorry guys, the question had already been answered by the time i asked it. But the thread moves so fast... far too quickly for my little fingers
130 FlySSC : Afriqiyah has organised TIP as a HUB and offers several connections beween Europe and Africa (mostly West Africa). They aim to attract low budget cus
131 Tobias2702 : Italian Wikipedia states the aircraft involved was 5A-ONG, delivered in August 2009.
132 aerdingus : Can't believe another A330 lost. My sympathies to all involved.
133 Post contains links DRAIGONAIR : Approach charts for Tripoli: http://www.filedump.net/dumped/hllt1238362365.pdf Lctr 09 MDA (minimum decision altitude) 620ft. Metar showing BR and FEW
134 7gm7 : Tragic news to wake up to this am. RIP to all those lost.
135 DutchBoeing : I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but... I increasingly feel nervous flying Airbus aircraft. If there is an Airbus crash / problem, it always
136 SEPilot : Not a difficult call; most crashes are attributed to pilot error. There has been such advance in aircraft design that it is extremely rare for mechan
137 Post contains links petertenthije : Here's photos of the black boxes. Now, I've never seen one for real, but to me it look like they have been opened? http://www.corriere.it/gallery/est
138 Tobias2702 : When have you last heard of any commercial airliner crashing into a mountain? Indeed.[Edited 2010-05-12 04:17:02][Edited 2010-05-12 04:17:20]
139 Phen : I would have to say no. There are just as many examples from other manufacturers. Look at the 737-800 - plenty of recent incidents to get worked up a
140 DutchBoeing : Well, "mountain", let's call it "controled flight into terrain" then. That does happen frequently. i.e. the last major crash: Polish government TU-15
141 Post contains links QatarA340 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123
142 BrouAviation : Arabic media seem to report an explosion on board before landing, although not confirmed. Dutch government thinking about sending the governmental Fok
143 zeke : Airbus confirms the registration, MSN 1024, GE engines, about 1600 hrs total and 420 cycles. Accident site is short of runway threshold of 09.
144 Post contains images tom355uk : IF it is definitely not terrorism (it cannot be ruled out until more is known) I'm only going to mention three things: - Non precision approach - Poor
145 777way : Also American 757, British Airways VC10, PIA A300, Air India 707, Thai A310, Air New Zealand Dc-10.
146 ChallengerDan : No, they have not been opened. "blackbox" is a legacy term.... they are not black, and they are not a box anymore. Solid state memories, fireproof/10
147 KFlyer : 420 cycles for 1600h. JNB must have been the longest haul, right ? I guess the explosion could be the fuel tank explosion someone earlier mentioned.[E
148 Post contains images JoKeR : Yeah you will, especially with your nick Airbus aircraft have an excellent safety record and your assumptions are a simple generalisation. Forgot the
149 Post contains images RJ111 : "Page last updated at 10:51 GMT"
150 MauriceB : Why are people doubting the safety of Airbus planes? 100+ people died, so think we should discuss this, in my opinion, rubbish issue later on. After a
151 OEH68 : To use this tragedy as an opportunity to bash Airbus aircraft is highly inappropriate. I suggest deletion of such posts.
152 Giancavia : No .. not even remotely feel unsafe. Plenty of boeings have crashed including new ones. There will always be accidents and errors. I mean even in you
153 BALandorLivery : Don't assume that FPA/VS was selected and that the pilots were selecting the track and rate of descent. They could have been doing it fully managed a
154 Flying Belgian : FDRs and CVRs were quickly recovered. Airbus and French BEA have sent representatives there. At least we should know more soon. That's already a "posi
155 wolbo : The surviving Dutch child has bone fractures and is being operated on. Not in life threatening condition. Poor kid.
156 vfw614 : 82 passengers - final destinations: - LGW: 7 - BRU: 32 - CDG: 1 - DUS: 42 - TIP: 11 93 pax in total, 11 crew. Most pax apparently Dutch (travel group
157 tom355uk : I had assumed they were conducting a managed approach - what I was pointing to was the possibility (just that, no more!) that VS could have been mist
158 cygnuschicago : Do you feel nervous flying the 737 because it has had so many "weird" accidents lately? If not, then you're just using this tragedy as an opportunity
159 offloaded : Ghiblis can come and go very quickly. I assume no other a/c involved like when a Mig hit and brought down a B727 (5A DIA) a back in 92 just short of T
160 vfw614 : Really tragic to see on CNN the 8U JNB station manager and the Aviareps representative who are clearly under shock and have difficulties to compose th
161 Aesma : I just saw this on the news. I'm reading this thread but already the reports on the news were not making a lot of sense. I also saw one guy that was t
162 brilondon : This was a maintenance issue with the fuel connection not being properly done and there were no fatalities and once the repairs were made the aircraf
163 Post contains images SAA738 : Very sad CNN are saying : 104 people on board, 93 pax, 11 crew. 62 people on the flight were part of a Dutch Tour Group, 61 of these died, and 1 survi
164 Post contains links JohnKrist : Strange thing, a turkish news site shows some video of the site, but the first imaga clearly show a prop in the debris? Image from another crash I pre
165 NASBWI : Bingo. Likely file footage from a random crash as a prelude to what you'll see by clicking the video to start.
166 L410Turbolet : That would be equal to a small miracle, imho. This is Gaddafi's Libya we are talking about and last time it took much less for a completely dispropor
167 Post contains links TK787 : Also this recent one; AtlasJet MD80 near Isparta in 2007 http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20071130-0 RIP to all who lost their lives
168 richierich : A little odd - is this propeller, perhaps, the RAM turbine? Or just simply the wrong footage? I wonder if this had been deployed? I wonder if there w
169 cedars747 : Relatives of the Afriqiyah passengers on board flight 8U - 771 will be offered the opportunity to come to Tripoli . Afriqiyah Airways will offer trans
170 trigged : Question regarding the FDR/CVR. It appears as though they are already out of the wreckage and in the hands of investigators. they appear to be pretty
171 Owleye : Why would they do that, to send a forensic team and to pick up the boy who survived the crash? I'm wondering which plane the Dutch government shall s
172 etarsa : Dutch news reported that the flight crew asked for ambulances just before landing. I presume that something terrible was pending..... RIP to all invol
173 JohnKrist : That would be one huge RAM! So, wrong footage I'd say, which is weird since the actual images speaks for themselves without the need for cut'n'paste.
174 Post contains images trigged : Not the same aircraft. That is some stock footage of another crash as that is a turboprop engine. That looks like the AN-24 crash in the Philippines
175 B747forever : Just heard of these very sad news. May they all rest in peace. I wonder if the young boy lost his parents in this crash?
176 RJ111 : Yet no Mayday? Odd if so.
177 PH-BFA : according to dutch media he lost his parents and his brother or sister..
178 B747forever : Wow, that is just terrible. Only more pain for him.
179 Post contains links and images oly720man : Looking at the video on the turkish website, above, partway through it seems that you can see the airport control tower, indicated From the viewpoint
180 scouseflyer : Maybe it's the mayday that's being misreported by the 2nd and 3rd hand new reports as a "request for ambulances"?
181 Gonzalo : I will be prepared to be flamed, but I HAVE to ask to the engineers / engine experts we have here... ¿ could this tragedy be related to the recent as
182 scouseflyer : I don't know but I'm expecting that the grubbier parts of the British media are planning headlines to that effect for tomorrow.
183 allrite : I think you mean incidents. I suspect that part of the reason for this is simply that they have become increasingly common in the skies.
184 Post contains images RJ111 : That's terrible, it's as if it would be better if there were no survivers.
185 PH-BFA : Latest from nos.nl (dutch news agency) * unconfirmed rumours of an explosion on board shortly before the crash * aircraft has desintegrated (not sure
186 CityhopperNL : Excellent spotting Olyman, I am currently looking at this at Google Earth, the picture on the Italian website is a very good reference, there appears
187 Post contains images Aesma : Engines running and high speed impact are not really related. A plane in the air has a huge potential energy, meaning it can be almost still at one p
188 B747forever : Exactly what I also thought. This boy will have a tough time growing up.
189 ETinCaribe : My heartfelt condolences to all impacted by the tragic event. 8U was starting to build out its Europe to Africa, using the TIP location as a natural h
190 seabosdca : Both are extremely safe, but this is incorrect. There have been 7 737NG hull losses of which 6 could reasonably be described as "crashes" (one burned
191 trigged : No, but I say this. I am assuming that there is no ash cloud in the area of Tripoli. The engines would perform normally, even if there had been signi
192 Burkhard : And if (if if) there was a fight in the aircraft with injuries, pilots behind closed doors not fully informed was was behind them concentrating to co
193 rfields5421 : An aircraft impact with no flame would raise a large cloud of dust in that area. It would look like an explosion even if there was no fire and no fla
194 B747forever : But if that is the a/c shouldnt really disintegrate like this.
195 MIAspotter : Sad news to hear, RIP to all the people who perished, and a sad loss of a beautiful airliner. At least from this tragedy a little boy survived and I w
196 nnomad : Im not an aircrash investigator or even close to that..but, trying to use some common sense: assuming the plane was on final, ( which does looks like
197 oly720man : All reports seem to have it as landing from the east. Could it have been attempting a go around to the west, lost an engine (fuel?), rolled left and
198 rfields5421 : The extensive damage and destruction of the aircraft only indicates a high speed impact with the ground. Most likely that impact was not at a landing
199 scouseflyer : one of the news reports higher up mentions a go-around
200 rfields5421 : Near landing the plane would not be pressurized, or minimally pressurized. No where near enough pressure differential to cause any damage.
201 GSPSPOT : Very sad.... Sympathies to all involved! Glad they young boy survived, but most likely now without his complete family.
202 rfields5421 : I beg to differ. We have seen many relatively low speed impacts with the ground produce this level of damage. The key is the angle of impact and the
203 LY777 : I have the same feeling, but only for the A330/A340 family (I think there are no problems with the A32Xs now). Anyway, I always avoid the A330/A340s
204 Post contains links MarcW10 : Did anyone else notice this from Sky News? "A large piece of the plane's tail bearing the brightly coloured Afriqiyah logo was visible, and other part
205 Aesma : I was thinking about a medical emergency that would influence the pilots and make them land unprepared/stressed. Now that I think of it the only cras
206 Gonzalo : I know... that's why I ask specifically for "retarded" effect on the engines, considering this aircraft probably flew through low concentrations of a
207 rfields5421 : The crash was not a meter from the runway. It may have been a meter from the airport fence/ airport property. Some of the satellite images above give
208 Aesma : It is already established that the crash site is not in the immediate vicinity of the runway, browse the topic for images. Most likely the plane cras
209 CityhopperNL : Do you have any sources for this? I only did a quick check on the weather, winds are WSW at the moment at Tripoli, which would indeed suggest an appr
210 Post contains images TravelAVNut : R.I.P to all who perished The only positive thing I can get out of this is the fact they already have the blackboxes. But the thought of that little b
211 jpiddink : Truly sad day for everyone involved. Some speculation from my part, trying to understand what may have happened: If (one of) the pilots were to suffe
212 Mir : Do you also avoid 737NGs, which have had three recent crashes with similar causes? -Mir
213 Aesma : About the ash cloud, this is a Libyan aircraft, flying in and out of Africa. Sand might be a bigger problem for its engines.
214 clydenairways : Have you not thought about the possibility that the aircraft might have cartwheeled when impact occured? Well if you are going to post complete rubbi
215 mandala499 : Is HLLT at UTC+2??? And the aircraft was due to land at 0620LT? If so then this is very interesting: Tailwind landing on a non-precision approach wit
216 rfields5421 : It appears that sunrise is at local time 0610. At the time of the crash, the crew would have been flying directly into the rising sun if landing on Rw
217 scouseflyer : IIRC, there wasn't any fatalities at the ground test accident either - several serious injuries but no deaths.
218 Post contains links oly720man : I think they've got the same initial report.... amongst others http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=175361 http://www.news24.com/Africa/Ne
219 frigatebird : Yes, these are all valid points. Jet fuel won't ignite easily, I believe you can throw a burning match into a can of the stuff and the burning matchs
220 rfields5421 : That would not surprise me at all. Quite likely based on what very little we can see of the debris pattern. Especially the tail structure being relat
221 LY777 : Theses crashes were due to human errors
222 Gonzalo : Well.. yes, this is a Libyan aircraft flying in and out of Africa, but they have a route to the United Kingdom, and there is a high possibility of th
223 severnaya : Hardly true as the KBX today flew to Moscow and further to NUX (Novy Urengoy) with the dutch economy minister.
224 Post contains images TravelAVNut : Indeed, I stand corrected. Pardon my ignorance, but where would one find an old and very poorly maintained old A330?
225 Post contains images JoKeR : Grow up people!
226 Virgin744 : unless the car was in the air there's no chance of this being a normal landing being interrupted by a car...The above image posted by Oly720man sugge
227 rfields5421 : But it does not say which threshold, the assumption is Rwy 27, but the good guess work above puts the probability the debris is close to the Rwy 09 t
228 TravelAVNut : Apart from the still unclear A330 Air France accident, which A330 accidents have made you weary of the A340/A330 family? And the fact that there are
229 Post contains links SA7700 : Please note that this thread will be locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion on the topic here: Air Afriqiyah C
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Merpati 737 Crash In Indonesia, ~20 Injured posted Mon Apr 12 2010 22:21:27 by avek00
Small Plane Crash In Kodiak, AK posted Mon Mar 15 2010 21:58:20 by mascmo
Tu-154 Crash In Iran...Again posted Sat Jan 23 2010 21:56:01 by Phatty3374
SA Airlink J41 Crash In Durban - Fatality posted Wed Sep 23 2009 23:58:12 by Pfletch1228
Small Plane Crash In Mission, BC - Near Vancouver posted Sat Sep 19 2009 19:06:37 by Connector4you
Images Of Plane Crash In Venezuela posted Sat Sep 5 2009 13:37:41 by 797
Plane Crash In St Barts ( Video ) posted Fri Sep 4 2009 19:42:45 by Gonzalo
An-12 Crash In Congo, 7 Dead posted Thu Aug 27 2009 03:15:39 by BuyantUkhaa
Caspian Airlines #RV-7908 TU-154 Crash In Iran (EP-CPG) posted Wed Jul 15 2009 02:10:08 by Dalavia
Small Plane Crash In Vancouver (Richmond) posted Thu Jul 9 2009 22:39:18 by Twinotter4ever