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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Browsing through some job oppurtunities on Frontiers website and I was a little shocked when i saw a recently posted job opening (May 6th) for a city manager at RDU. At this point Midwest serves MKE from RDU but uses its codeshare with AA to handle all ground operations. Anyone know if RDU is getting Frontier service in the future?

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User currently offlineerj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Thread starter):
Anyone know if RDU is getting Frontier service in the future?

Technically, it already has Frontier service since Midwest and Frontier became 1 to be Frontier. But, to comment on your question.. isn't it just exciting?



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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

Yes...I would love to see those tails coming into RDU on a regular basis second only to the yellow tails of JI. I know they are owned by the same parent company, but they are still separate subsidies...Guess i'll hold my breath...

User currently offlineadamblang From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

They've announced that over the next 18 months, all Midwest aircraft are going to be repainted as Frontier. Midwest is no more, it's all being rolled into Frontier.

www.frontiermidwest.com



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Thread starter):
Anyone know if RDU is getting Frontier service in the future?

As others have stated, since YX/F9 is now 1 airline, We Are 1, you'll begin seeing Frontier in RDU. I would be classified as an existing station (since YX does it), not a new F9 station.



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User currently offlineerj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

I think his main question was about the station manager position and if we will be getting additional service - a la Frontier to DEN and the likes.. that would call for a Station Manger to be at a station where they are currently being handled by another company (in this instance American)

course, I could be wrong.. but that's what I'm guessing or reading into it..



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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

Quoting erj170 (Reply 5):
I think his main question was about the station manager position and if we will be getting additional service - a la Frontier to DEN and the likes.. that would call for a Station Manger to be at a station where they are currently being handled by another company (in this instance American)

course, I could be wrong.. but that's what I'm guessing or reading into it..

Absolutely Correct... Unless you are opening a station at RDU you don't need a manager. So one would assume more flights more cities from RDU...


User currently offlineadamblang From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Thread starter):
At this point Midwest serves MKE from RDU but uses its codeshare with AA to handle all ground operations.

The former Midwest does not have a codeshare with American and if they did it still wouldn't mean American handles Midwest on the ground. Does American have a ground handling agreement for Midwest in Raleigh?

Regardless, if there is Midwest staff in Raleigh, a Midwest staffer's replacement will be hired by Frontier and be on Frontier payroll.



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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Yes AA handles Midwest's ground operations at raleigh...I believe the codeshare is with AE.

User currently offlinenoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Under what circumstances would F9 need a city manager at RDU???

User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting noise (Reply 9):
Under what circumstances would F9 need a city manager at RDU???

Your guess is as good as mine but they have posted a job opening for one...


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25561 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
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Quoting noise (Reply 9):
Under what circumstances would F9 need a city manager at RDU???

They have two flights a day RDU-MKE - they've had city managers at stations that only have one flight a day.

Someone has to represent the airline's interests there.

mariner



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User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 490 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4673 times:
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Quoting cessna2 (Reply 2):
Yes...I would love to see those tails coming into RDU on a regular basis second only to the yellow tails of JI.

That would be my ultimate aviation dream come true. Anyone who knows me knows how I would be thrilled to see JI come back to life. Alas, its only a dream, but I completely agree with you. Those yellow tails hubbing at RDU again would be magical.

Quoting adamblang (Reply 7):
Regardless, if there is Midwest staff in Raleigh, a Midwest staffer's replacement will be hired by Frontier and be on Frontier payroll.

That was my thought on the subject also. However. I would love to see F9 running the following routes:

* SFO-DEN-RDU-DEN-SFO
* RDU-DEN-SAN-DEN-RDU
* RDU-MCI-DEN-MCI-RDU
* SEA-MKE-RDU-MKE-SEA
* RDU-MKE-DEN-MKE-RDU

Would love to hear some non-condescending commentary on the viability of these routes.

-Womack17



Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
User currently offlineadamblang From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 8):
I believe the codeshare is with AE.

The American Eagle / Midwest Airlines codeshare ended February 24, 2004.



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 6):
So one would assume more flights more cities from RDU...

Probably direct to DEN

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 8):
Yes AA handles Midwest's ground operations at raleigh

Who else does Ground Handling at RDU...DAL global UA ground.....no independent companies? are they all airline subsidiaries?



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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting adamblang (Reply 13):
The American Eagle / Midwest Airlines codeshare ended February 24, 2004.

Well all I can tell you is they are using AA's gate and handled by AA's ground crew...


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25561 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4452 times:
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Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 14):
Probably direct to DEN

Wouldn't that go straight up against Southwest?

Not wanting to burst anyone's bubble, but I think the more obvious route is RDU-MCI.

mariner



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4430 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
Wouldn't that go straight up against Southwest?

Why does WN have to be a factor in everything we do? That is what I don't understand. I mean, who cares.

RDU-DEN would be a great piece for F9 to do as well as what you also suggested: RDU-MCI.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25561 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4397 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17):
Why does WN have to be a factor in everything we do?

Why does DEN have to be a factor in everything Frontier does?

I'd rather expand the revenue bases.

mariner



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4381 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
Why does DEN have to be a factor in everything Frontier does?

Ask SM that.

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
I'd rather expand the revenue bases.

As would I.... and I believe BB is doing exactly that.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25561 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4327 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Ask SM that.

But SM also said that there has to be more to Frontier than DEN.

It isn't about whether Southwest already serves the route - it is about whether any airline already serves the route.

RDU-MCI is no compete, no one flies the route, but even so, according to Faremeasure it gets 200 pax a day. Sure looks good to me.

mariner



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
But SM also said that there has to be more to Frontier than DEN.

And that has not happened until BB took over. SM has not done it. He never got a chance to anyway when F9 filed for BK.

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
It isn't about whether Southwest already serves the route - it is about whether any airline already serves the route.

But you brought WN into it.    My response is: I don't care what WN does, or if they are on the route. If F9 wants to do it, they will. Let 'em. I would support it.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25561 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4305 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 21):
But you brought WN into it.

Because Southwest flies the route. And if it had been another route with another airline already flying it, I would have used that airline.   

It was a long held hope of mine that Frontier would start LAX-RDU as a red-eye. But Delta is going to do that, which take the gilt off that particular gingerbread.

I don't think it is such a good idea for Frontier now.

mariner



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
Wouldn't that go straight up against Southwest?

Not wanting to burst anyone's bubble, but I think the more obvious route is RDU-MCI.

Let United re enter the route it will do well...there is plenty of business travel and they tend to prefer legacies over WN...



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 15):
Well all I can tell you is they are using AA's gate and handled by AA's ground crew...

Actually, American Eagle handles the ground and gate for Midwest/Frontier at RDU. They actually use they international gate for their flights. (Besides the fact that I hate that RDU would allow an airline to use the international gates for everyday flights, but I digress...)

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
Not wanting to burst anyone's bubble, but I think the more obvious route is RDU-MCI.

I would add RDU-MCI/MSY/AUS/DEN.. simply because MSY did well for XJet.. AUS would do well with the E70.. and DEN is sorely lacking in availability (but it would need to be 2x E70 to work)



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25 AirframeAS : Fair enough, thanks for the explanation. That made more sense. Sorry, Mariner.
26 Post contains images mariner : No rivers. That's Aussie slang - no worries. mariner
27 skyguyB727 : Years ago when YX served RDU with DC-9s, they had their own staff and station manager there.
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