enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6157 posts, RR: 12 Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9311 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
AC
PHX-YYZ 1>2 OCT-NOV
AM
At this point I just include AM for humor since they will reverse this in a week or two.
DEN-MEX 0>1 NOV-
LAS-MEX 2/WK>1 SEP-
SlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2483 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8830 times:
DEN-BOS 5>4 AUG-
I wonder if this is because of Southwest airlines launching nonstop DEN-BOS and DEN-BDL some competition from both sides of the Mass market.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6157 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7862 times:
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 1): I wonder if this is because of Southwest airlines launching nonstop DEN-BOS and DEN-BDL some competition from both sides of the Mass market.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8774 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7814 times:
greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7760 times:
I believe DL had originally put the flight in the schedules as ending in October for the season. Therefore, the only change in availability would be the flight ending in September instead of October per Enilria's standard convention. Perhaps DL was thinking of keeping the flight until October if advance bookings looked particularly strong, always knowing they had the option to instead end it in September and rebook people through their other gateways.
Quoting steex (Reply 6): per Enilria's standard convention.
Correct, that means that they are no longer selling it for September and October, so basically they shortened the season because it was already canceled for November and forward. It must not be as good as they had hoped. Airlines tend to be optimistic with future schedules and when bookings are disappointing or the fuel forecast is poor they start hacking things. They took a bunch of int'l ASMs out of Fall in this change. That makes me wonder if they are trying to match to investor relations guidance. Often an exec will say "we plan to cut Fall capacity x%" in an earnings call and then scheduling has to go and match the published schedule to that.
That surprises me. Pinnacle uses that flight to get planes in and out of maintenance. The MSP-TYS never is full, but the TYS-MSP is usually pretty full in the morning.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6910 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4490 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 7): They took a bunch of int'l ASMs out of Fall in this change. That makes me wonder if they are trying to match to investor relations guidance. Often an exec will say "we plan to cut Fall capacity x%" in an earnings call and then scheduling has to go and match the published schedule to that.
Knowing DL's scheduling habits, it can be gone one week and return the next.....
Quoting CRJ200FAGuy (Reply 8): That surprises me. Pinnacle uses that flight to get planes in and out of maintenance. The MSP-TYS never is full, but the TYS-MSP is usually pretty full in the morning.
There are so many ways to get aircraft now to TYS with 9E operating flights from DTW, MEM, and now some ATL that it is easier to get aircraft in there rather than fly really long, empty flights like MSP-TYS.
DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3834 times:
Someone I talked to at CMH who works for DL said they've heard rumblings of a Delta expansion/additional flights to be announced sometime in June & that they were waiting for an official word...anybody hear anything? Extra frequencies? The return of SLC to go along with the previously announced resumption of flights to LAX?
FutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 762 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3714 times:
AA will also be ending STL-SEA after August.
No idea if it will return for the peak summer season next year, but I'd bet against it.
FutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 762 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3380 times:
Quoting steex (Reply 13): I believe you mean WN, they are ending STL-SEA and have said it will be seasonal. AA is still scheduled to run STL-SEA year-round.
It appears you're right, I hadn't read anything about this. Searching for flights on AA's website, 23 AUG 2010 appears to be the last day for non-stop flights on the route. Searching earlier showed the non-stop continuing, so I guess that was just updated today. Interesting, I wonder if this means we could see AS come to STL to replace AA.
steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3289 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 16): I would also like to see some confirmation of AA's quitting the SEA-STL market as well.
It appears I edited my post while you were making yours; as noted above, AA's SEA-STL disappears from the schedule after 23 AUG 2010. That will indeed leave SEA-STL with no service since WN's flights stop a week earlier.
AS would probably make good sense on the route given their lower cost structure and ability to effectively serve both AA and DL fliers.
PHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 3214 times:
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11): Someone I talked to at CMH who works for DL said they've heard rumblings of a Delta expansion/additional flights to be announced sometime in June & that they were waiting for an official word...anybody hear anything? Extra frequencies? The return of SLC to go along with the previously announced resumption of flights to LAX?
I've heard that CMH is an "S-Curve Market" for DL. Which basically means that Delta thinks that because of its new size post merger it should be getting more revenue combined than NW+DL before. Anyway, one aspect of the s-curve theory is the number of flights that you have scheduled. So it makes sense that there could be additional frequencies.
But CMH has already received an LAX flight, 2 additional frequencies to MSP, announced first class regional jets to LGA, and I'm sure more that I am not aware of. So there could be more.....but I doubt a whole lot more.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 3161 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 16): If this is true, then there's NO service SEA-STL as of this fall. Hmmmmm -- anyone got AS's phone number handy?!
AS is accepting gifts from AA and DL. AA offered the nerd bird route, DL offered SEA-OGG and PDX-HNL, and now AA is offering SEA-STL. Who will ask AS their hand in marriage? Just kidding.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6636 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 18): I've heard that CMH is an "S-Curve Market" for DL.
That would probably go for Delta's other "sweet spot" markets (BDL, CHM, RDU, MSY, JAX, etc).. those markets where Delta keeps an eye on to make sure they are strong. Perhaps?
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2915 times:
Perhaps WN will re-evaluate the seasonality of SEA-STL and will hence make it year-round.
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I would also like to see some confirmation of AA's quitting the SEA-STL market as well. 
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