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US Starts CLT-FCO Today  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14398 times:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....rticle_print&ID=1426438&highlight=

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...as-flights-surge-in-charlotte.html

Year-round service to FCO starts today from CLT. Loads look good.

It also seems US looks to be expanding from CLT internationally.

The fact that they say the 757's can't make it from CLT-Europe, while they can fly LGW, DUB, etc... makes me think something on the lines of DUB is coming.

I would expect MAD before DUB, however.

Apologies if this has been already discussed.


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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14288 times:

Good luck to US. I think they will do fine at least during the summer. Should at least be a nice ride on the 330s!

User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14244 times:

Best of luck to them!

Any idea which new routes their new A330's will be placed on? More expansion for CLT, or PHL? I must admit, I haven't really kept up with recent happenings at US!!


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14149 times:

This could be a good route if timing to connections is done correctly. From JAX, BHM, MSY, BNA, MEM, DFW, IAH, STL, MCI, DEN, Florida Gulf coast, and a whole catchment feed of cities could make this route quite lively and viable. Convenient change of plane through CLT, and sure would beat ATL, JFK, ORD, PHL, etc.
Good Luck to Charlotte on this, and may we see it back next summer, or even possibly on a year-round basis with a less than daily service...


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 13961 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
even possibly on a year-round basis with a less than daily service...

It is year round. In about October or so, it goes to 4 or 5x weekly service(can't remember)



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13894 times:

CLT-FCO departs at 6:15 pm, it can catch connections from the southern cities, midwest and west coast. I believe the route will be operated year round but 4 or 3 times a week alternating with CDG and with a 767 (in the winter)- don't hold me to it. You can fill an aircraft to Rome easily in the summer- bunch of vacationers crossing the pond, whether it can work in the winter we will have to wait and see. MAD has been tossed around, another route which can work in the summer, year round I don't think so. The Piedmont gals are headed to Rome!

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13830 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
It is year round. In about October or so, it goes to 4 or 5x weekly service(can't remember)

I think this will work, even in the dead of winter there should be enough to fill the flight

Quoting chepos (Reply 5):
CLT-FCO departs at 6:15 pm, it can catch connections from the southern cities, midwest and west coast. I believe the route will be operated year round but 4 or 3 times a week alternating with CDG and with a 767 (in the winter)- don't hold me to it. You can fill an aircraft to Rome easily in the summer- bunch of vacationers crossing the pond, whether it can work in the winter we will have to wait and see. MAD has been tossed around, another route which can work in the summer, year round I don't think so. The Piedmont gals are headed to Rome!

Good timing, and I imagine returning to CLT in afternoon allow connections back, good deal
I'd like to go to Rome with the Piedmont gals as well..


User currently offlineUSair1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 71 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13771 times:

It went out tonight right around 98% full. It is oversold tomorrow, and is booked in the high 200's (nearly full) for the next couple weeks that I looked at.

User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13650 times:

The scheduled arrival into CLT is 3:55 PM, allowing for connections in CLT.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

Congrats to US! Great for CLT! Great to see more 330 action in CLT too!


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User currently offlineFCO110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11529 times:

How is AA not able to sustain out of ORD year round even with a drop in frequency yet this would work? I agree come post October, which is vey busy with tourists in Rome, demand drops like a rock.

User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

Quoting FCO110 (Reply 10):
How is AA not able to sustain out of ORD year round even with a drop in frequency yet this would work? I agree come post October, which is vey busy with tourists in Rome, demand drops like a rock.

They should ask UA how they are doing it year round from ORD and IAD.

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineFCO110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11138 times:

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 11):
They should ask UA how they are doing it year round from ORD and IAD.

Just my 0.02

Agree on that! But wonder if UA has gone a full year yet?


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10445 times:

In the Charlotte Observer article it stated that the US Airways Charlotte hub was the 4th largest behind DL @ ATL, AA @ DFW, and UA @ ORD. While I agree that the Charlotte hub is big I find it hard to believe that it is bigger than some of the other hub operations, most notable]y CO @ IAH - besides, didn't someone bring up in one of the UA/CO threads that IAH's CO hub is currently slightly bigger than UA's hub at ORD?

Can someone please enlighten me  


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 11):
They should ask UA how they are doing it year round from ORD and IAD.

UA ORD-FCO is seasonal, not yearround.



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User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10002 times:

Quoting FCO110 (Reply 10):
How is AA not able to sustain out of ORD year round even with a drop in frequency yet this would work? I agree come post October, which is vey busy with tourists in Rome, demand drops like a rock.


Maybe AA feels it can use the metal or something on a better route...AA like US doesn't have a partner in FCO...but I think with ORD being so north...it rules out a lot of people maybe connecting to Florida at least on the Italian side.

In any case...I don't think US has any better options....they know in the winter CLT-CDG needs to be less than daily...and they know CLT-FCO needs to be less than daily....where would they send the plane in the winter? What else could they add to PHL? More secondary markets? They pulled back from a lot of those and many were seasonal anyways. After October a lot of demand for Europe falls until the holidays. So I think Parker thinks this is the best approach for the winter. 4x to CDG and 3x to FCO...that's what US scheduling is showing....That seems reasonable given US' options.

But yeah....US doesn't have many choices right now... They are hoping I guess to capture some more of the market through CLT's feed that PHL doesn't have.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5275 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9956 times:

Quoting FCO110 (Reply 10):
How is AA not able to sustain out of ORD year round even with a drop in frequency yet this would work? I agree come post October, which is vey busy with tourists in Rome, demand drops like a rock.

I have my doubts that this will be sustainable as a year-round service. Summer should be fine as demand to Rome is very high, but I just don't see the need for CLT-FCO in the winter. The only reason I believe that this is slated as a year-round service, is because alternative uses for the aircraft are, in fact, worse.



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

I don't know why AA can't make FCO work year round. DL has ATL and JFK all year long to FCO. In addition, there are flights to Pisa, Milan and Venice. The only "seasonal" DL has to Rome is DTW-FCO.

I can't see why US couldnt' make this route work, esp if they can get some good contracts.

I believe UA has year round ex-IAD and AA year round ex-JFK.

Dave



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 17):
I don't know why AA can't make FCO work year round. DL has ATL and JFK all year long to FCO. In addition, there are flights to Pisa, Milan and Venice. The only "seasonal" DL has to Rome is DTW-FCO.

That maybe true, but overall Delta also cuts quite a bit of capacity during the winter. E.g. both ATL/JFK-FCO go from A333s to 763s during winter and the other markets also see a couple of weekly frequencies go, e.g. JFK-PSA is going from daily 763s to 4x weekly during winter.

Plus, remember that Delta has been established in the Italian market for a longer time than AA, not to mention having a broader presence due to serving more airports, and of course their Skyteam partner Alitalia is helping fill the flights out of FCO as well.


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6425 times:

Quoting USair1 (Reply 7):
It went out tonight right around 98% full. It is oversold tomorrow, and is booked in the high 200's (nearly full) for the next couple weeks that I looked at.

This isn't a very good barometer to measure how well the route will do. Most new routes do well in their first weeks of operation and this is the peak travel period to FCO.

We will see how it lasts the winter. It is good they already plan to operate 3 or 4x weekly. They do this for a month or two from PHL, CO goes from 2x daily to 4x weekly in the winter and many other airlines seasonally suspend the route altogether. It would be great if they can establish year round service regarless of frequency but it may be tough.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

Cake for U.S. Airways at Fiumicino to celebrate the inaugural flight to Charlotte.
Charlotte's route comes after 14 years of Philly-Rome service offered by U.S. (first flight was in 1996) with about 2 millions passengers carried on the route.
Pic taken just before boarding.

http://www.adr.it/portal/content/FileAttach/adr/Photogallery/USAIR2.jpg


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 20):

I'm so proud of US!



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32783 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

The flight number is tied to Miami. Miami is Rome's second biggest trans-Atlantic O&D market. US is clearly going to try to take some of that traffic during the winter competing with Alitalia's non-stop. It is in a geographical position to do that, unlike a flight to Chicago.

That being said, I'd be shocked if it rolls over into the winter. U.S.-Rome is just really small between November and April.



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User currently offlineinesilio From Italy, joined Sep 2009, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

Can't see any benefit to this at my end (look at the flag) apart from the incoming tourists (as long as they don't hot foot it straight to Civitavecchia to get on a cruise ship).

Never flown US but I can imagine CLT being just as uncomfortable a change as ATL.

I'm going to be sticking with my directs to NYC and I'm going to keep changing at CDG & AMS for west coast.


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Quoting inesilio (Reply 23):
Can't see any benefit to this at my end

I guess it depends on where you are flying to. If you need to get to NYC, this is probably not the option for you, unless it is much cheaper. However, surely more competition and choice is a good thing for passengers?

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
The flight number is tied to Miami

Maybe if you want a holiday in Florida, this is a better option than via NYC?


25 FutureUScapt : It's actually showing as suspended between 04Jan and April. Aside from that it operates 3x weekly from the end of October - 04Jan, with the exception
26 ca2ohHP : I'm fairly surprised at the amount of local traffic between CLT-FCO this flight is showing. Yesterday, for example, about 100 passengers were CLT loc
27 USAirALB : What happens during Feburary break? It looks like CDG is sticking around for the winter, but it isn't daily. CDG will do fine in the Winter.
28 OA412 : Is it 333 through January, or does it switch to a 762 as some point?
29 Brandonfsu05 : wow I wouldn't have thought that either...hmmm...But I wonder if they will be able to get any business traffic on this route...I''ve talked about thi
30 ca2ohHP : I'm actually showing it as a 333 through the September 2010 schedule.
31 inesilio : I'll bet good money they originate in Milan.
32 sflaflight : ...and AA can't even do that from their MIA hub. No direct service to Italy from MIA; no non stop service to Italy from MIA. One of the biggest Trans
33 USAirALB : They do. There is no banks or big buisness in Rome. Almost all of its tourism. And US will never fly MXP-CLT.
34 FutureUScapt : That is impressive though it's important to note that FCO in general receives more group bookings than almost any other European city, so you'll like
35 USAirALB : Lemme guess. FRA, MUC, LGW, CDG, FCO
36 Post contains images FutureUScapt : Not sure where MUC stands in relation to the rest (I'd tend to think LGW has more O&D), but otherwise I'd say that looks good to me.
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