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UA Incident 15Jan2008?  
User currently offlinestealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 372 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Hi Everyone,
I know this is old but just read this on a local news website. Kinda strange that it made the news some 2 years after it happened. Do you think the pilot has a case against Honeywell?

http://cbs5.com/local/united.flight.901.2.1693628.html

-Stealth

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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

This Incident looks serious.

Quoting stealth777 (Thread starter):


But as the plane descended through the fog under the guidance of its navigation system, Captain Al Langelaar, sitting in the cockpit next to Taylor, said: "Something's not right, go around." Taylor said he pulled up on the controls right away, but was puzzled, until he looked out the window.

If the aircraft was landing in fog, the CAT ILS should have been used, and As far as i know, "Go around" is only done when the aircraft is on the finals and before MDA.
The GS and runway dots must have been there on the PFD, then how did this happen?



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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 1):
As far as i know, "Go around" is only done when the aircraft is on the finals and before MDA.

Huh? "Go around" is standard phrasing for an aborted landing, especially in the final seconds before touchdown. I think you're thinking of "going missed" which is a little bit different.

A pilot or air traffic controller can call a "Go around" for any number of reasons, but usually it is because of something unexpected or unplanned - aircraft/debris on the runway, landing configuration not correct, some kind of anomaly (like in this instance), etc.

Performing a missed approach ("going missed") is more like Plan B. It's what an aircraft crew automatically does if they get to the MDA and cannot see the runway. When you go around, the runway may be in plain view, but there's something going on that means a normal landing cannot be completed.



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User currently offlineLonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4915 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

That is a very strange description of events.

If he was that close to the water, then he should have been on the ILS. The FMS database should have nothing to do with it. Either the ILS is tuned/identified and flown by the autopilot or it isn't.

The FMS, using a STAR will get you to the ILS, in fact even the IF is an FMS waypoint, but at the point of seeing water/waves as he describes, that should be behind you. The ILS should have been the only source of navigation. If one doubted their IRS/GPS/RNAV position, then ATC could have vectored you to the raw data ILS for a coupled approach ... no FMS needed.

It almost sounds like he is ramping up toward an "I cant fly any more" stress related lawsuit.



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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting Longhauler (Reply 3):
If he was that close to the water, then he should have been on the ILS. The FMS database should have nothing to do with it. Either the ILS is tuned/identified and flown by the autopilot or it isn't.

I agree - even if somehow his HSI was turned to the wrong heading, his FMS was giving him the wrong waypoints, and his altimeter was set 1000 feet off, ATC should also have alerted him to the fact that he was too low/heading into the bay instead of the runway.



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User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

The article didn't state if ATC issued or didn't issue a low altitude alert. If they didn't how come. A ATCT usually will issue a "low altitude alert, check your altitude" when too low

User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

I believe it has serious implications not just for ATC, but there are a few major obstacles along the approach that if at a low altitude create a serious safety hazard.

I don't buy the PTSD though. Pilots that saw that AS MD80 fall out of the sky and into the pacific right in front of them declined to divert and instead continued to their destinations--haven't heard anything from them. Yes, I'm sure people respond differently to different events but I don't think any pilot would honestly admit to relying 100%, or even half that, on the computers within their aircraft.



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