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LH Bringing A380 To PHL/EWR?  
User currently offlinelrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 711 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20045 times:

Seeing how many A380's they're ordering, it seems like PHL and EWR would eventually be getting 1 (both Star Aliance Hubs). Can the runways at PHL and EWR support it?


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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20037 times:

I do hope for the 747-8I to EWR ?


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlinehjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19965 times:

It definitely will NOT be going to PHL. PHL doesn't even support a first class cabin. WIth the joint venture, US Airways isn't part of it, so Lufthansa will have few interlines with US Airways, much more cooperation with the new United/Continental.

The US market demands for frequencies rather than larger planes, therefore, there will only be a few markets where the LH A380 will actually fly.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19889 times:

Quoting lrgt (Thread starter):
it seems like PHL and EWR would eventually be getting 1

it's not even going to JFK or ORD so definately no to PHL


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19794 times:

Not too soon I'm afraid, EWR I see the 748I and PHL is a typical 343 or even 333, in best case 346 destination. LH will fly the A380 where they can make most money with it, and that is to Asia mainly.

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19699 times:

Is EWR even A380 ready ?


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 19248 times:

Didnt LH mention that the A380 might be used on FRA-IAD? Still ,if true, in my opinion, it is a long way off

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 18939 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 6):
Didnt LH mention that the A380 might be used on FRA-IAD? Still ,if true, in my opinion, it is a long way off

And LH also said 2 1/2 years ago when the A380 was in for compatibility tests at ORD that the A380 will probably be coming to the FRA-ORD route in 2011. Makes sense, as FRA and ORD are both Star hubs with strong feed on each end.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3599 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 18903 times:

EWR is not 380 ready.

JFK is.


User currently offlinefrat From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 18808 times:

I see LAX, SFO, MIA, ORD, IAD and NYC as potential A380 destinations for LH. But as MIA has 16 weekly flights in the winter season, I'm not sure, if the FRA flights will get the A380.

User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 18746 times:

EWR is not...if it goes anywhwere in NYC it will be JFK...

User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 17450 times:

Quoting frat (Reply 9):
But as MIA has 16 weekly flights in the winter season, I'm not sure, if the FRA flights will get the A380.

They will. As part of an agreement with MIA, LH agreed to send an A380 to MIA if the airport agreed to build a gate ready for the plane. There are financial penalties if they do not.



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User currently offlineCarls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17153 times:

MIA was mentioned by LH as a destination for one of their A380. Flying to Frankfurt, for me this makes sense, I fly this route twice a Month and their 747 is always fully booked.

They also have an A333 flying to Düsseldorf and an A343 flying to München but not daily.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2184 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16625 times:

Quoting hjulicher (Reply 2):
The US market demands for frequencies rather than larger planes, therefore, there will only be a few markets where the LH A380 will actually fly.

Yeah, we all know that, and yet AF and QF send A380s to JFK and LAX, respectively.
No doubt LH will send the A380 to EWR if EWR ends up being the equivalent of JFK for AF. But you say a few, therefore, EWR is likely to be one of them. ORD and SFO can most likely support it as well.



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16123 times:

Quoting lrgt (Thread starter):
Can the runways at PHL and EWR support it?

I don't understand this question. The runway is never an issue. An A 380 can land and take-off on any runway where other long-haul aircrafts operate (330/340, 777, 747). The 380 even needs less length then a 747. Also the pressure per wheel is less than of a 777 because she has more wheels. Only a bridge or a tunnel could be a problem where the overall weight is decisive. The problems to become "A380 ready" are probably the taxiways and the gates but for sure not the runways.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15347 times:
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PHL wil not see A LH A380 any time soon if ever. Newark probably will with EWR being a huge Continetal/Star HUB. ITS very likely both JFK and EWR will see the A380 daily at teh same time once LH gets enough if teh Whale jets.

User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15146 times:

Wouldn't the presence of a the 'New United' at Newark (also *A) make Newark a possible candidiate for an LH A380 - assuming of course Newark can put in place the necessary infrastructure upgrades to accept the A380 aircraft?

User currently offlinePeterSpence From United States of America, joined May 2009, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13767 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 13):
and yet AF and QF send A380s to JFK and LAX, respectively.

Negative, QANTAS does not send the A380 to JFK, only LAX daily ... and has no plans to go to JFK at all with the 380. In fact, the daily 747 QANTAS does currently send to JFK as QF107 is getting a downgrade to 5X weekly A330 coming up soon.

Just a fact check, have a good day folks.



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User currently offlinejah718 From Ireland, joined Sep 2009, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13561 times:

Quoting PeterSpence (Reply 17):
Negative, QANTAS does not send the A380 to JFK, only LAX daily
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 13):
AF and QF send A380s to JFK and LAX, respectively.

He said JFK and LAX respectively, meaning AF fly to one and QF fly to the other.


User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13459 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
Quoting ZRH (Reply 14):
The runway is never an issue

Wrong!
The width of the runway can be an issue. It has to be at least 60m wide or 45m with 15m "shoulders".


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12670 times:

Quoting Hirnie (Reply 19):
Wrong!
The width of the runway can be an issue. It has to be at least 60m wide or 45m with 15m "shoulders".

Agree. But are there big international airports which don't have one of these specifications? Here in ZRH all three runways are 60 m wide.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 20):
Agree. But are there big international airports which don't have one of these specifications? Here in ZRH all three runways are 60 m wide.

150 ft. (~45m) is pretty standard for an American airport's runways. For example, EWR's runways are 11000x150, 10000x150 and 6800x150.

Even over at JFK, there is only one runway that is 200 ft. wide (though the 380s have used other runways).


User currently offlinemy1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12332 times:

I was told that LH was bringing it to IAD first... that is what they said at the "World Tour" stop at IAD.

My1le


User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12267 times:

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 16):
Wouldn't the presence of a the 'New United' at Newark (also *A) make Newark a possible candidiate for an LH A380 - assuming of course Newark can put in place the necessary infrastructure upgrades to accept the A380 aircraft?

Definetly esp since it's is going to be a major UNITED hub(Did i just say united instead of CO at EWR wow that's weird) and also near NYC for O&D(not starting the proximity war just saying) I think once someone commits to sending the A380 there EWR will deff step up to the plate.


User currently offlinePeterSpence From United States of America, joined May 2009, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

Quoting jah718 (Reply 18):
He said JFK and LAX respectively, meaning AF fly to one and QF fly to the other.

Beautiful.



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25 gemuser : Once again it's a furphy. The A380 is certified to operate from 45m wide runways, period. The FAA and SOME other authorities require an extra 15m wid
26 FRAspotter : IAH maybe? DEN, BOS? With this it's almost certain that IAD, ORD, MIA, LAX, and SFO will get them eventually... Or maybe the 748 as well?
27 avek00 : There's no need for the LH A380 to come to Newark anytime soon. Boosting EWR-FRA frequencies to 4-5x daily between United and Lufthansa (and cutting
28 bmacleod : In a year or two, hopefully YYZ will be added as a LH A380 destination...
29 mah4546 : 26 weekly flights this winter. FRA - 7w 744 ZRH - 7w 343 DUS - 7w 333 MUC - 3w 343/2w 333
30 planetime : I was surprised that LH is not sending first 380 to JFK. I remember they were the ones to fly the 380 to JFK.
31 N62NA : I'm curious. On what do you base that statement?
32 flyguy1 : IIRC, the PA has not made the necessary upgrades for EWR to be A380 accesible. The feeling was all NYC area A380 traffic would go to JFK, so spend the
33 USAirALB : I wonder if maybe when the 380s start to come in and replace the 744s, maybe CLT-MUC will get upgraded to a 744 from a 346
34 N62NA : Once again proving that JFK is the true "premiere" international airport for NYC. I wish the Port Authority would stop making decisions like this, as
35 ewrkid : Was it the PA themselves or could it have been the airlines commiting to use it only to JFK and have not commited to EWR YET.... i would think it wou
36 Viscount724 : 8 F and 98 J seats are far too much for YYZ (or any other Canadian market) in my opinion. An A380 would be a huge increase in both J and Y capacity o
37 tsnamm : On the basis that the A380 upgrades were made to JFK and not to EWR...plus if LH even decides to fly the A380 to NYC at all...there were a number of
38 gemuser : What "upgrades" are needed to make EWR "A380 accessible"??? Gemuser
39 columba : No 747s are based in MUC, the biggest airplane that serves MUC is the A346.
40 Burkhard : A short while ago Newark wasn't on the radar of * Alliance at all. Continental joined Star less than a year ago, and the United merger nobody could pr
41 NorthstarBoy : I have to echo planetime's sentiments, i'm surprised they're not sending the A380 to JFK, is it just a matter of lack of room for it at T-1 with the A
42 Post contains links jfklganyc : "Both EWR and JFK are significant international airports. To make one A380 capable and the other not is dumb." Sure . . . tell Airbus to send us a few
43 USAirALB : ??? I never knew they did this, no not anymore. Ughh..I tried.
44 N62NA : Ummm... why would LGA need to be A380 ready? Since EWR is now an important * Alliance hub, it seems that the *A airlines would shift their primary fo
45 Post contains images NicoEDDF : Even worse: Why would Airbus fork out the money?? Do they wanna start airline service ex TLS? Yeah, bring in more frequency for slot restrained airpo
46 avek00 : In the context of a transatlantic joint venture, it's very important to drive up frequencies on key hub-to-hub routes to maximize network connectivit
47 NicoEDDF : Who talks about reducing??
48 N62NA : No way is JFK ever more convenient to EWR when you are talking about Bergen County NJ.
49 newark777 : As N62NA pointed out, Bergen County to EWR is about 15 minutes to 30 minutes shorter than getting to JFK, and that is assuming there is no traffic on
50 avek00 : You did, when you mentioned "consolidating on a larger aircraft". In any event, it makes more sense to build up frequencies on hub-to-hub routes to s
51 GothamSpotter : Just not this year. Eventually there's little doubt at least one FRA-JFK flight will be an A380.
52 N62NA : I was thinking about what you wrote (above) and I'm not sure I agree. CO (soon to be UA) has a huge hub at EWR. EWR is going to be THE *A hub in the
53 airbazar : In due time (not too distant future) I can see A380's operating to all major East Coast airports. The volume of traffic and the congestion at airport
54 N62NA : And based on that, EWR should be made A380-ready.
55 jfklganyc : "And based on that, EWR should be made A380-ready." Who is going to pay for it? Why should the debt-strapped PANYNJ spend $100 million for a couple of
56 N62NA : Ummm... The Port Authority? Or maybe the *A airlines who would benefit from having more pax coming into EWR? EWR as we all know is so clogged up with
57 gemuser : Again, I ask, What has to be done at EWR to make it "A380 ready"??? Gemuser
58 Post contains images lrgt : WOW busy week... i forgot about my thread! Lots of good info! From what was stated, apparently $100MM worth (half what JFK cost). LH would be a shoe-i
59 Nicoeddf : Nope, I didn't. We were talking about raising capacity on the routes which could be done by increasing frequency or rather than that, consolidate the
60 gemuser : $100 million for what? Serious question. Gemuser
61 avek00 : SQ does not participate in the Star Alliance immunized arrangement at this time, so they're a competitor to UA and LH on NYC-FRA. Again, it depends o
62 Post contains links airbazar : "Our airport system supports more than 438,000 jobs in this region, and the economic impact as a result of A380 service in the first full year at JFK
63 OP3000 : I agree with the notion that EWR-FRA requires more rather than less frequencies. In spite of that though, the route may end up supporting about 4 fre
64 avek00 : United and Lufthansa have had an immunized North Atlantic revenue sharing arrangement (Atlantic Plus) for at least half a decade. In fact, CO's DOT A
65 TOMMY767 : I don't get this whole EWR not important Star airport until CO joined it last year. Look at history folks. LH has served EWR since the early 1990s and
66 lrgt : Unless US joins the LH/UA/CO revenue sharing agreement... then they could theoretically cancel the PHL-FRA flight on their metal that leaves at the s
67 N62NA : Nah, it's a problem of the airlines overscheduling.
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