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California Pacific Air Applies For Route Authority  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15109 times:

The proposed Carlsbad California based E170 operator, California Pacific Airlines as part of its start up process has filed with the DOT an application for a certificate of public convenience and authority to engage in interstate scheduled air transportation.

Carriers initial indicated routes will be:
Carlsbad - OAK
Carlsbad - SMF
Carlsbad - SJC
Carlsbad - LAS
Carlsbad - PHX
and
weekend Carlsbad-Cabo San Lucas Mexico service

Flights will be operated by initial fleet 3 Embraer 170 aircraft with 68 passenger capacity.
I'm not sure how they expect to pull off the SJD flight as Carlsbad is not even an authorized port of entry for GA aircraft let alone FIS capability to screen passengers.

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2848 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15049 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
I'm not sure how they expect to pull off the SJD flight as Carlsbad is not even an authorized port of entry for GA aircraft let alone FIS capability to screen passengers.

Do they pre-clear at SJD?



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5998 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15024 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):

No!

The plane will have to stop at Brown Field or San Diego Intl I'd imagine to clear.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6579 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15029 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Carriers initial indicated routes will be:
Carlsbad - OAK
Carlsbad - SMF
Carlsbad - SJC
Carlsbad - LAS
Carlsbad - PHX
and
weekend Carlsbad-Cabo San Lucas Mexico service

Flights will be operated by initial fleet 3 Embraer 170 aircraft with 68 passenger capacity.

This seems like a large set of routes for a proposed fleet size of three E170's. Even with fairly aggressive scheduling, they can probably expect to manage at most ten daily segments on each aircraft during commercially viable hours (i.e. 6 AM to 10 PM). With 30 available segments, that allows an average of three daily round-trips for each city pair -- and it's not possible to serve all city pairs at commercially attractive times.

This is important, since Southwest is offering 10-12 daily flights in the competing city pairs from SAN. The convenience of CLD will certainly attract some customers who had been driving to SAN, but not necessarily if the flights are poorly-timed. Deeply discounting the service to make up for a less attractive schedule is not a recipe for success given Southwest's low costs and deep pockets. And though Southwest also started with three aircraft, they were serving only three city-pairs with shorter average stage lengths.


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14914 times:

CLD does have CBP, i belive they put it in with the new terminal they put in.


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User currently offlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14888 times:

When do they plan to start? KCRQ is closed for a week at a time for the next few months doing runway work.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14885 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 4):
CLD does have CBP, i belive they put it in with the new terminal they put in.

Not a port of entry according to CBP
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ca/



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14803 times:

I'd love to know what the neighbors think about this.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5227 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14736 times:

The whole thing continues to sound rather "iffy" but I have to hand it to the guy -- the planning and execution is moving forward.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Even with fairly aggressive scheduling, they can probably expect to manage at most ten daily segments on each aircraft during commercially viable hours (i.e. 6 AM to 10 PM). With 30 available segments, that allows an average of three daily round-trips for each city pair.


Maybe he's only going to run about 3 r/t per California route for a start -- a morning, early afternoon and evening r/t for example -- and then fill in with maybe 1 or 2 r/t to PHX and LAS. (Having not sat down and penciled anything out yet, this is just a possible scenario in my head at this point but it seems at least conceivable.)

The int'l clearance for SJD does sound like a challenge. A mandatory stop at Lindbergh or Brown does sound like a bit of a tough sell to his potential Mexico-bound customers.

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14665 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Not a port of entry according to CBP
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/c...s/ca/

Carlsbad is a user-fee airport, so customs is available. It is sublisted as a facility under the San Diego POE.

Name: Palomar (User Fee) Airport
Phone: (760) 431-4629
Fax: (760) 431-4644
Operational Hours: 9:00 AM-5:00 PM(Pacific)
Seven Days A Week (7)
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ca/2501.xml



[Edited 2010-05-14 10:25:12]


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User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14443 times:

IMO, they shouldn't worry about Mexico at this point. Particularly a weekly flight. Mexican operations are extremely high cost. High start up cost as you have to get international approvals and then high cost with they actual operations due to taxes and service fees that come with international flying. Placing all that cost on one weekly round trip is a burden. Stay domestic and do it well turn a profit and grow and then add Mexico.

User currently offlinebok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

Do they actually have aircraft? Or are they planning on wetleasing (judging by the presence of a Chief Pilot on the staff page, I assume they plan on operating their own)?


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User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 978 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14040 times:

I am a bit surprised that CPA is choosing OAK over SFO. A suburban airport ought to connect to a major international airport rather than the satellite area airports.


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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13927 times:

Quoting bok269 (Reply 11):
Do they actually have aircraft? Or are they planning on wetleasing (judging by the presence of a Chief Pilot on the staff page, I assume they plan on operating their own)?

According to this article, they have allready ordered E170's.

http://www.clickoncarlsbad.com/Stories/ted_vallas.html


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5227 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13791 times:

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 12):
I am a bit surprised that CPA is choosing OAK over SFO. A suburban airport ought to connect to a major international airport rather than the satellite area airports.

Isn't there a restriction at SFO against smaller a/c? (I believe QX can't do any op's there, right? Or is it just the Q400s that are forbidden?) Maybe the 170 would be permitted but it seems to me it's not.

That being said, perhaps gate availability, cost, and operational issues (read: weather delays) at SFO have driven CPA across the Bay to OAK. I assume OAK is cheap and I know there's plenty of room there... And SJC is a relatively expensive airport now but I would expect CPA feels there is a lot of potential traffic to the South Bay area and SJC must be offered.

There's also a matter of whether or not CPA will do any interlining with anyone else; this might affect the choice of airports as well.

bb


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13778 times:

Pie in the sky (pun intended) in this economic environment!


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User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13743 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 7):

considering we listen to GA, private jets, and other props overhead all day (i live about 10 minutes away) this won't be too much louder. I've heard many E jets at SAN that are quieter than most private jets that fly over my house

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 15):

Carlsbad has barely been hit by any economic problems, this airline will thrive in carlsbad with direct service to SFO LAS and PHX as long as they can keep prices down to an acceptable level. Even if they are a little more than SAN a lot will chose CLD because parking is free, and it's convenient. Considering parking at SAN is $14 a day and its about 45 minutes away from us CLD is a nice alternative.

Havey they actually indicated a start date yet? it will be great to see more commercial service at CLD


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13699 times:
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Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 15):
Pie in the sky (pun intended) in this economic environment!



Well maybe this is the BEST time to start up one. So by the time the economy is going gangbusters again ( and the carrier lasts until then) they will be in a good position since they will already be up and running and reaping the benefits of a healthy economy instead of having to start then and econ tanking by the time they get in the air.
I wish them well, but, as a lot of others have said, probably won't be a lasting venture.

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 12):
am a bit surprised that CPA is choosing OAK over SFO. A suburban airport ought to connect to a major international airport rather than the satellite area airports.



I think their main emphasis is O and D, and with SFO's seemingly lengthy delays at times, OAK seems the better choice ( for them).



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2968 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13573 times:

I don't mean anything against them, I just didn't know if Carlsbad was in a very populated area, etc. You don't hear about the place on a daily basis here in the East, you know! Sounds like it could be a good alternative to SAN. Good for them!


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User currently offlineccarter757 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13496 times:

I like the idea so far, and CLD is a lot more convenient for me in Temecula than SAN or anything in the LA area. If they do get off the ground I look forward to flying them to visit home when I start attending Sacramento State University in the Fall, pending if the price and times work. I guess only time will tell, but I must applaud the management team so far for the organization and planning up to this point, hopefully it will continue.


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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13247 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 4):
CLD does have CBP, i belive they put it in with the new terminal they put in.

CRQ had customs before the new terminal was built. Aircraft would park at the base of the tower.


User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13225 times:

You folks are forgetting something.. CRQ wasn't chosen because of any particular economic advantages. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's no secret that Ted Vallas has been looking to bring commercial service to his beloved Carlsbad airport for the economic advantages that such travel would hopefully bring.

So in layman's terms, it's not a gold mine to be exploited but a [hopeful] gold mine to be built.



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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13155 times:

Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 22):
You folks are forgetting something.. CRQ wasn't chosen because of any particular economic advantages. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's no secret that Ted Vallas has been looking to bring commercial service to his beloved Carlsbad airport for the economic advantages that such travel would hopefully bring.

So in layman's terms, it's not a gold mine to be exploited but a [hopeful] gold mine to be built.


Isn't that runway like 5000ft or so. Does it even have an ILS approach or any other approach???


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13122 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 23):
Isn't that runway like 5000ft or so. Does it even have an ILS approach or any other approach???

4,897 X 150. ILS 24 and a VOR-A.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13065 times:

It wasn't started by some teenaged kid saying "I am going to buy Cathay Pacific and re-name it California Pacific Airlines," was it?   This was an actual thread in civ-av about 5 years ago. The thread must have been deleted by the mods, as I can't seem to find it in the archives...


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25 dl767captain : That's because Carlsbad is mostly suburban in North County San Diego, nothing ever happens here! Most places close at 8:00 and most are in bed by 9:0
26 Tomassjc : . Exactly, SFO can be an ATC nightmare. If CPA is flying only 3 aircraft, then you could say goodbye to 1 of them for a few hours if SFO goes on Flow
27 MrSkyGuy : The margins are "tight" but technically feasible. The real point I was making was Mr. Vallas desire to bring modern travel to CRQ.. which is akin to
28 as739x : The Q400 has not been subbed in yet. Still not authorized due to the gate issue. SFO has no issue's, but AS doesn't have the stairs for the operation
29 wedgetail737 : If CPA exists long enough to do some significant expansion, I think they will open another "hub" in the Bay Area like OAK or SJC...or maybe the centra
30 pink77W : I hope they succeed, i fear they will become SKYBUS ll
31 93Sierra : When they mean PHX do they mean PHX? Stupid question, but I pretty sure their would be incentives for them to try a Phoenix/Mesa Gateway approach ( at
32 cschleic : QX flies CRJ-700's to SFO. So does Skywest, plus smaller CRJ's, and I think ASA does for DL. For smaller planes, Skywest also fly a ton of EM2's on c
33 0NEWAIR0 : Has anyone taken a look at their YouTube videos? The "experienced management team" looks like they have an average age of 75.... I would have said 80
34 thegreatRDU : Give us some links....
35 Post contains links 0NEWAIR0 : http://www.flycpair.com/contact/general_inq.htm There you go! Enjoy... try not to laugh, you'll drown out the old guy narrating the video.
36 bjorn14 : According to Embraer you need 5,394 ft of runway for full range and load otherwise you can do 500nm with about 3,763...Just sayin'
37 norcal : I give this little experiment a year at most. - I don't understand the 3 class service. These flights are all going to be very short so most people wo
38 goldenshield : That's not even factoring the slope and winds of the airfield.
39 dl767captain : I was really surprised that they went with such a large jet. I had expected a CRJ or even an ERJ but I would have thought a Q400 or Dash-8 which US A
40 FATFlyer : OAK? The East Bay Area and North San Diego County are developing into Biotech hubs. Maybe they are thinking biz traffic from that. Are they also think
41 bjorn14 : You maybe right because 2-class comes in at 6F/64Y seats, not sure the layout for 3-class but it seems a bit much for a E170. I think it would be bet
42 bjorn14 : It would be great if they can make this a niche airline. They can only really add TUS, FAT, RNO maybe PPE if that develops due to the operational limi
43 SuperDash : IMO - 70seats or more with an economy plus section (which you can call biz class if you wish) would make the most sense. And the reason is...if they
44 UAL747DEN : They should expect to deal with aircraft since they moved/live next to an AIRPORT right? Wow thats horrible! This airline doesn't have a chance, they
45 ADent : UA does 3 class on their CRJ-700s and I assume the ERJ-170s too.
46 dl767captain : Ya but the complaint will be the scheduled commercial service. but honestly most of the corporate jets are louder than the E jets I've heard
47 Post contains images SANFan : Out of curiosity, anyone know if there is a time curfew of any kind at McClellan -- yet? (Not that I expect to see red-eyes out of there but I am curi
48 SANMAN66 : Flights to PHX should be no problem if that's where they actually plan on flying to,since CLD has no service. CPA would get eaten alive by WN if they
49 Post contains images 0NEWAIR0 : You mean retire *again*.
50 bjorn14 : Quoting SANFan (Reply 8): The int'l clearance for SJD does sound like a challenge. According to CLD's website they have customs and immigration facili
51 FATFlyer : No, CLD does have customs available. As I pointed out in post #9 it is a user fee airport (that is also how FAT operates with Mexicana flights). The
52 dl767captain : Not that I know of, I hear little single engines flying around late at night towards CLD, now I'm not sure if there's a curfew for Commercial service
53 F9Animal : Wow guys! Age means more experienced. If anything, they may be able to dance around all of you, and prove you wrong. LOL! Very well said. The founder
54 sunking737 : I agree. This just could be one of the ones that make it. Every one said Jetblue would not make it. Even said Frontier was dead.
55 SANMAN66 : Okay, maybe they would'nt need to stop to clear customs,but they still may have to make a tech stop due to the range. SJD may work for them since the
56 F9Animal : And how many times have we observed that SY was done too? LOL! Oh yes, I remember the B6 naysayers. I have to admit, I joined in on the fun. Boy, was
57 FX1816 : I'm surprised that no one else has brought this up yet but yeah there could be a decent market of travellers out of the Temecula/Murrieta area that d
58 mariner : I don't understand - SJD is a little far from where? Republic used to fly the E170's for Frontier from SMF and SJC to SJD and to PVR, which are longe
59 PlanesNTrains : I believe the thought is that, due to the short runway length at CLD, the 170 wouldn't be able to do that stage length with a profitable load. Certai
60 mariner : Hmmm, thanks. I thought the E170 need about 5,400 for a full payload/range take-off. CLD is just under 5000 but SJD isn't anywhere near full range an
61 FlyAA757 : A good idea in principal - but this needs to be refined...6 "Biz Class" seats MAX, and dump the whole FC idea. Switch to E75s to get a few more Y seat
62 as739x : ASA doesn't operate into SFO. For Delta it is SkyWest,Mesaba and Pinnicale. There is no size limits on SFO. If you want to pay, you can land. Occasio
63 C767P : No curfew, just a voluntary noise abetment that NIBMYs think is mandatory, as they complain all the time about it. For those who give them a short pe
64 Post contains images SANFan : Hey P, do you suppose there's time for the NIMBYs to get organized, storm the city council meetings and get a firm and official curfew in place befor
65 ridgid727 : They may be acquiring the aircraft, getting a base set up at Carlsbad, and will probably keep it, but will also start going for some contracts as an e
66 C767P : I don’t believe it is possible. My understanding is that all curfews in place are grandfathered in and new ones can’t be put in place. I don’t
67 wedgetail737 : Everyone talks of the "demise" of PSA. The "demise" of PSA was not a shutdown, like the term insinuates. They were absorbed by USAir, probably throug
68 knope2001 : I'm way behind in catching up with online stuff after being away a few days, but I can't resist a scheduling challenge. It's like sudoku or a crosswor
69 Post contains images FX1816 : Don't forget that WN started with 3 732's back in the day. FX1816
70 LAXintl : The writing had been on the wall for a few years with checkered financial performance, ever increasing debt load and cut throat West Coast competitio
71 goldenshield : Last I checked, even back then, DAL had 20-40x the available passengers that CLD does. And this was shared among all the airlines that operated from
72 mariner : People keep saying that but there is no evidence that it is true. Delta, for example, owned 40% of Midwest and gave those shares to Republic - they w
73 goldenshield : I'm sure they are perfectly aware of the plane's abilities based on the lengthened runway. I'm sure they are basing everything they have on advertisi
74 mariner : Indeed they do. Number of pax would be one of them, of course. It is doubtful that Frontier's A320 could make DEN-ANC in all circumstances, whereas t
75 goldenshield : You have it backwards there. The number of passengers does not dictate a plane's takeoff performance; rather, an airplane's takeoff performance dicta
76 mariner : Well, my, when I asked the Director of Operations why Frontier didn't use the A320 on DEN-ANC and United did, that's the answer he gave me. mariner
77 Aloha717200 : I agree, and I would venture a guess that a representative of Embraer was consulted before the team decided to pick this plane for this job. They did
78 ScottB : They did, but they also started out as a low-cost, low-fare carrier in a more limited set of city pairs that were, at the time, dominated by higher-c
79 knope2001 : Very possible...much easier for things like aircraft swaps and crew overnights, too. My thought of having one originate in OAK was to split the bay a
80 Boeing1970 : How can they keep prices down with the most expensive 70 seater in the air? So then what do you do when you need to expand your route map? That airpo
81 Post contains links bjorn14 : They are going 66 seats----6F, 20C and 40Y. Here is the seating plan. http://www.flycpair.com/about/aboutAircraft.htm
82 ScottB : I understand that, but OAK and SJC are probably the least suitable substitutes for each other of the Bay Area airports; moreover, relatively few peop
83 surfandsnow : Given the traffic on the 5 from Northern San Diego County to SAN, I bet these new flights will be very popular if they are priced right. There is plen
84 vin2basketball : They are planning 4 dailies to SMF, SJC, OAK, and PHX, plus 3 dailies to LAS. I'm coming up with a scedule as we speak B6 homebase: JFK F9 Homebase:
85 Post contains images knope2001 : Good luck with getting all that out of three lines of flying!
86 ScottB : Good luck with that unless they plan to run flights 22 hours/day. Can't be done with 3 aircraft and that set of airports. If they have to underprice
87 Post contains images FX1816 : It was just a joke fellas, hence the winking face, sheesh some people are just too serious. FX1816
88 SANFan : Here's my proposed start-up turn-schedule I cranked out over the weekend: Dep CLD: 6 20a x7 SMF (E70-1) (RON) 6 35a x7 SJC (E70-2) (RON) 6 55a dly OAK
89 Post contains images KELPkid : At an airport with no current scheduled service and very out of the way in the nothern 'burbs? I doubt it...
90 sunking737 : If you know how to schedule flights you can make a go if it. The management team seems to know what they are doing. I admit 3 class of service is stra
91 Post contains images SANFan : What is the source for your statement about the number of flights, vin2'? There is no way that is a current plan -- not with 3 a/c. Absolutely. Risky
92 mariner : If there is a flaw in the model, it may be that. It sounds like an old man with dreams of restoring some semblance of what flying used to be. But, he
93 0NEWAIR0 : Even if they don't have to underprice WN they could still fail because, as already pointed out, the CASM for their 3 class Ejet service will be atroc
94 SANMAN66 : Don't forget Camp Pendleton, a huge draw for CPA. Pendleton is only 11 miles away from CLD compared to SNA and SAN.
95 C767P : I believe that HP cut CRQ because it was competing with SAN and they didn’t want to compete with themselves. It was a pretty popular route. UAX has
96 Post contains images KELPkid : Let's see how to put this succinctly and niceley, because, at the end of the day, I do like your posts, bb (and BB are my initials too!). Yes, La Jol
97 FX1816 : 1. CRQ actually has a pretty decent infrastructure, I was just there on Friday and the new facilities are awesome. They also do have rental car compan
98 hiflyer : The E170 with only 66 seats and a 5k runway looks to still be partially penalized but it will be close. I suspect that before money was laid down to o
99 C767P : A lot of people on here have never been to Palomar and have no clue what the airport has to offer. The field has a brand new terminal that opened in
100 Post contains links and images vin2basketball : http://crankyflier.com/2010/04/12/wh...-f-is-california-pacific-airlines/ I was able to get 4x to SJC, PHX, and SMF, with 3x to LAS, and OAK Here is t
101 knope2001 : Interesting scheduling, but your block times are much too short. Probably need more like 80 or 85 minutes to the bay and SMF, and 70 or 80 minutes to
102 Post contains images SANFan : Nice effort at the schedule vin2'. I noticed that the interview you quoted is over a month old (April 12 was the date if I remember correctly.) Since
103 vin2basketball : Huh?, I assumed that the speed for the E170 is 481 knots. Therefore my times are correct for that standard at least. which would yield essentially th
104 LAXintl : Airlines schedule based on Block times not flight time. For example - LAX-OAK actual flight time might be 55 mins, its block time is 1:20
105 ScottB : Business travelers don't like red-eyes, unless it's on long-haul flights where the time zones allow a business-friendly arrival. You also have to acc
106 C767P : My point was that Lindbergh does not have the best access and it is not an area that SAN has an advantage over CRQ. There are many advantages Lindber
107 Post contains links and images C767P : The ticket counter at CRQ:
108 sunking737 : Great photo. It shows people they are serious. You don't get this space for free.[Edited 2010-05-24 19:03:27]
109 F9Animal : Looks great! I can't wait to see them get airborne!
110 MrSkyGuy : Wow, I have to say.. this is already more than I expected. Am I alone in that sentiment?
111 SANFan : Thanks for sharing the foto P. Counter Looks sharp! bb
112 atcsundevil : I tend to respectfully disagree with both of these schedules. The PHX to Los Angeles/San Diego sector is the sixth busiest transportation sector in t
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