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Is US Getting Better At CLT-GIG?  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

According to the seat map at usairways.com, it seems to me that the loads on CLT-GIG are slowly climbing. They loads still aren't great, but they aren't flying a near empty aircraft. The flight does ok on the weekends, this weekend, for example, there are only about 20 seats left in the Y cabin.

In addition, you can no longer find buy an Envoy ticket for $700, again according to usairways.com

I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks.

I can't wait to see how this flight will do this winter, especially during the holiday season.


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Well, one thing they cannot complain about. US Airways' team partied with great style TAM's entrance in Star Alliance in Rio:


Wilton Costa Junior, Dennis Tierney, Scott Kirby, Linda Wheeler and Rogério Schaffer

http://www.panrotas.com.br/album-de-...-da-festa-da-tam-no-rio_57901.html


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):
Linda Wheeler

She looks very unhappy. Has the TAM codeshare been approved?



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Has the TAM codeshare been approved?

What? It was filed at the DOT like 4 days ago. How do you expect to have been approved already? The CO-JJ codeshare took 10 weeks to be approved, so expect the approval for July.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 3):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Has the TAM codeshare been approved?

What? It was filed at the DOT like 4 days ago. How do you expect to have been approved already? The CO-JJ codeshare took 10 weeks to be approved, so expect the approval for July.

Do you think it will be, and staying on the subject, do you know how the flight is doing?



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User currently offlineBrandonfsu05 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
Do you think it will be, and staying on the subject, do you know how the flight is doing?

bookings will pick up in June...because of Brazillian holidays and US kids out of school... then go back down I'm sure...it doesn't matter US Airways just needs that codeshare with TAM and then I'm sure the route will be much better... Star Hub to Star Hub.

It seems to do much better Friday-Sun...Monday and Tuesday seem to be the worst days.

Oh on a side note I forgot to add....ramp workers say there is way more cargo now than before...so maybe that will help the route too..take it for what it is.


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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
According to the seat map at usairways.com

  



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 5):
Oh on a side note I forgot to add....ramp workers say there is way more cargo now than before...so maybe that will help the route too..take it for what it is.

Really? Thats good.

Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 5):
It seems to do much better Friday-Sun...Monday and Tuesday seem to be the worst days

Agreed.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
Do you think it will be, and staying on the subject, do you know how the flight is doing?

I haven't heard of anything about it lately.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4104 times:
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Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 5):
bookings will pick up in June...because of Brazillian holidays and US kids out of school... then go back down I'm sure...it doesn't matter US Airways just needs that codeshare with TAM and then I'm sure the route will be much better... Star Hub to Star Hub.

Bookings are better than April for sure, but Envoy (Business) continue to do very well as per the information i got from some travellers that are using US nowadays. In general 90% with many days full.
As i use to say, US need a more premium plane for this route, Rio need more C/F seats to deal with the stronger demand of premium travellers going to the city looking to the opportunities recently created.
June-August (15 June-15 August) is a very busy period, AA is selling tickets at US$ 2,000 R/T (economy) and i expect US to do almost the same, although they need to conquest a little more the market.

Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 5):

It seems to do much better Friday-Sun...Monday and Tuesday seem to be the worst days.

Weekend is doing very well as you mentioned. Many days planes are departing GIG 85-95% full. Monday and Tuesday are less busy with 55%-60%. I would say average of 75% nowadays, which is not bad, and by the way, fares are better also. GIG-CLT is being sold for US$ 1,400 R/T (Economy)

Quoting Brandonfsu05 (Reply 5):
Oh on a side note I forgot to add....ramp workers say there is way more cargo now than before...so maybe that will help the route too..take it for what it is.

That's very good news !

As a side note, i continue to see that US need more marketing, and would be great if they focus on a more premium product. They just need to do their analysis and they will got into a situation where they realize that even DL is not such a big competitior on ATL-GIG as US can be due to the Star Alliance link. With TAM they can even focus on EZE.
I just come back from a business trip EZE-GIG and there was 22 passengers on the plane going to the United States... 4 of the with US, 9 with DL !



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):

Maybe one day we will see a 332 on the route in high season.

Has anyone ever flown the route? I would love to see a TR!



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3825 times:
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Quoting USAirALB (Reply 10):
Maybe one day we will see a 332 on the route in high season.

Has anyone ever flown the route? I would love to see a TR!

HALFA has shared with us their opinions about Y and C flights on CLT-GIG. I'll try to find out his comments and post here. In general, he liked the service, specially on C.

If they use the 332 on CLT-GIG would be a killer and a good improvement. The market will show quickly how quality is needed on US-Brazil , specially GIG where AA uses B763, DL B763 (except high season - IATA winter only), and CO is the sole player with "daily PTVs to all passengers on all the classes" with the B764. TAM uses A332 but just to JFK and results are very good, but uses B763 to MIA.

As a side note, Panrotas, a Brazilian website, based on statistics from the government, expect Brazil to send 2.2 million turists to the United States by 2015. In 2009 were around 890,000 , this year shall be 1,100,000 and they are expecting an increase of 10-20% every year. This scenario just confirm that there's space for all players, but for sure, the premium ones will got the premium yields.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
If they use the 332 on CLT-GIG would be a killer and a good improvement. The market will show quickly how quality is needed on US-Brazil , specially GIG where AA uses B763, DL B763 (except high season - IATA winter only), and CO is the sole player with "daily PTVs to all passengers on all the classes" with the B764. TAM uses A332 but just to JFK and results are very good, but uses B763 to MIA.

Just to experiment, I think it would do well in the winter.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6215 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

I doubt you will see the 332 on the route anytime soon, and the setamap is not a good indicator as to how a flight is doing.
Sometimes a seatmap might show open seats and the flight is overbooked and viice versa, sometimes seats might be blocked and the flight has seats available. As to how the flight is actually doing I would not know as I do not track the loads on the flight, hopefully it will stick around.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
AA is selling tickets at US$ 2,000 R/T (economy)

Yeah, but I've just checked and an US round trip to SFO in July is selling for a little over 2,5k USD in J. So paying yields on premium must not be as good.


User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

As stated by US' Sr. VP of Marketing & Planning, GIG is not profitable right now nor was it expected to be at this point (as is the case for the vast majority of new international routes at any airline). It has been improving each month and the launch of the Brazilian website (enabling more Brazilian point of sales) and the pending codeshare with TAM will help.

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
In addition, you can no longer find buy an Envoy ticket for $700, again according to usairways.com

Just curious as to what US city you looked at, was it CLT?

While it's certainly good that you no longer see $700 fares from that city, it would be far more importantif you were monitoring the changes (albeit anecdotally) from MCO or an NYC area airport as opposed to CLT, since that's where the majority of the traffic is coming from.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 15):
As stated by US' Sr. VP of Marketing & Planning, GIG is not profitable right now nor was it expected to be at this point (as is the case for the vast majority of new international routes at any airline).

Wish US Airways had the same mind set on their BHX-PHL route they started last summer and then decided to discontinue after one season, despite great loads and prices being quite high, it was a well patronised route. 70-80% payloads.

Also they did lots of marketing in the city too, which made it a success. Only to withdraw it!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
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Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 15):
As stated by US' Sr. VP of Marketing & Planning, GIG is not profitable right now nor was it expected to be at this point (as is the case for the vast majority of new international routes at any airline). It has been improving each month and the launch of the Brazilian website (enabling more Brazilian point of sales) and the pending codeshare with TAM will help.

That's expected as mostly routes demand a period to mature, but it's good to get a US word that it's improving.



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User currently offlineCHEPOS From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6215 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

However, yelds to BHX were not the best, lots of times the passengers were vacationers headed either for Florida or Las Vegas. That being said I do not know what the yields to GIG are like, but BHX was not a stellar performer- as you can see it is not around today. Additionally, I have a feeling US wants to make the route work (CLT-GIG) even if it looses money for a while. BHX might be gone but the airline still has a presence in England with LHR, LGW and MAN. The same can not be said for GIG, if GIG is dicontinued that would mean a complete exit from the Brazil and South American market.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2606 times:
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Quoting CHEPOS (Reply 18):
The same can not be said for GIG, if GIG is dicontinued that would mean a complete exit from the Brazil and South American market.

As you expect, it seems they are looking for the potential of South America and i can see US runing more 1 or 2 flights to Deep South America. One to Buenos Aires and another to Sao Paulo, when possible.



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