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SV Receives First A333  
User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 961 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14249 times:

It is one of 8 ordered July 2008.
I'm sure they will use it for LHR, GVA, and DXB.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Are schedules not yet uploaded ?


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User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13961 times:


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the livery looks great

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...elivery-of-first-ordered-a330.html

Quote:
The Saudi flag-carrier received the aircraft, a -300 variant, during a ceremony in Toulouse.

Saudi Arabian ordered eight A330s in July 2008 and selected Rolls-Royce Trent 700 powerplants for the type. Its fleet-renewal programme also produced an order for up to 50 Airbus A320s.


[Edited 2010-05-18 02:41:04 by EI787]

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13922 times:
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Am I dreaming or has Rolls-Royce relentlessly grabbed all the recent A330 engine contracts ?

That said it's by far the best engine to fly with on the A330 as a passenger. It also makes the A333 a very mature airplane in its segment.


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User currently offlineSolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 819 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13742 times:

This is great. I wonder why they went Airbus though. SV and KSA in general are very closely aligned to US products for political reasons. I wonder if they are trying to diversify. They also purchased the Eurofighter instead of the American product which was a big surprise. This could be a new trend for them and I would not be surprised if they pick up the A380 at some point. They have a large 747 fleet that will need replacing eventually.

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13582 times:

the key question is what is the on board configuration of SV's new A 333s?

User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13525 times:

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 4):

I believe they also recently ordered a dozen (?) or so 777's, so it seems to me that they are yet another airline who has realised the A330/777 combo is a winner.

I'm not sure they need VLA's (except during Hajj), especially if they have ordered a good number of 77W's, but I equally would not be surprised if they went for some A380 or 748's.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13525 times:

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 4):
They also purchased the Eurofighter instead of the American product which was a big surprise.

Strictly speaking, they bought the Eurofighter as well as an American product. They have a few F-15s, do they not?

In any case, Saudi Arabia has a long history of buying warplanes from the UK. They fly the Tornado and before that they were, I think I'm right in saying, the only export company for the Lightning.

(You might also add that they are buying their tankers from Airbus rather than Boeing.    )

And, lurching back to civil av., SV have never been enslaved to US products. They did buy A300s and they put RR on some of their 747s.

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 4):
I would not be surprised if they pick up the A380 at some point.

I suspect you may be right. And can you imagine how their livery would look on an A380?!

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 3):
Am I dreaming or has Rolls-Royce relentlessly grabbed all the recent A330 engine contracts ?

Not quite all but they are the engine to beat for every competition.

SV, which is already a big operator of CF6s, is the kind of order RR have been snapping up.

Turkish, already with GE A330s, switched to RR. Swiss, US Airways and Thai, all with fleets of PW A330s, switched to RR.

But China Southern, with a fleet of RR A330s, switched the other way and chose PW for their latest batch of 10.  

Hong Kong Airlines, with 17 x RR A330s on order, have recently signed for 6 x A330 with PW but this doesn't really count since they were buying already-built frames originally ordered by Grupo Marsans / Air Comet.

China Eastern bought 16 A330s in the dying days of 2009 and we assume they'll stick with RR. (But you never know...    )

Malaysia Airlines have recently ordered 15. They currently have PW on their older A330s. It'll be interesting to see if they switch to RR or stay with Pratt.

And GE aren't out of it. They keep picking up orders. Afriqiyah, for example, and the imminent fleet for Alitalia.

But it's RR making the running!   


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13377 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
In any case, Saudi Arabia has a long history of buying warplanes from the UK.

Not wanting to go too far off topic, but their order for Tornado jets ended up costing BAe dear, as there was a staggering amount of corruption involved....

I imagine these A330's will be replacing their A300's, but will they also be used for expansion rather than just fleet renewal, and if so, where else will SV be flying to?


User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 4):
I wonder why they went Airbus though.

The 777 on European routes and other short routes were overkill while MD-80/90 does not have the legs to operate such routes; hence A320 fits in. A333 will suit SV more for Asian, Middle-East and some European routes. They have also ordered B787's which may replace some of their older B777's and eventually may replace A333.

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 4):
A380 at some point. They have a large 747 fleet that will need replacing eventually.

Most of their B777 are refurbished and probably be used on long routes replacing some of their older B747's.

In 2007 or 2008 there was an offer on their website for sale of their 747-100 & 747-300 along with MD-90. I have no update on what happened to the offer, it is obvious that either there were no buyers or they could not conclude the deal as those aircraft are still with them.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1b9fh7/n/B747-168.ppt
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1b9g0f/n/B747-368.ppt
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1b9g1f/n/md90.ppt

SV had mentioned several times that they dont need VLA and there may be a chance of an order for A350 in the future but the big question is the Haj traffic which demands VLA.


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13271 times:

Quoting aviationbuff (Reply 9):
but the big question is the Haj traffic which demands VLA.

If SV have no routes that need a VLA at other times of the year, might they just lease 747's during Hajj, as many airlines do currently?


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12994 times:

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 6):
I'm not sure they need VLA's

They have a number of routes that would easily take a VLA; JED-DXB, JED-RUH, JED-KUL. Haven't checked their USA routes but Orlando would fill a A380 no trouble.

They could also have the top deck for royals and friends of royal, and their friends' friends, and then use the lower deck for normal fare paying passengers.

That would be amazing to see a SV A380!


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6179 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12854 times:

Saudi Arabian no longer flies to MCO, the only passenger destinations in the US are JFK and IAD. Before 9/11 MCO was a summer seasonal route that operated MCO-JFK-JED/RUH. Rich Saudis like to visit Disney but I doubt if they were to reintroduce the route it could support an A380 (more like a 777 two times a week via JFK).

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Chepos



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12684 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
Not quite all but they are the engine to beat for every competition.

That wouldn't have been the case if PW had grown some cojones and pushed ahead with the PW4173.      I am very very impressed with how RR has matured the Trent 700. It's my favorite engine they make.



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User currently offlineSV777 From Saudi Arabia, joined Apr 2010, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12576 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 5):
the key question is what is the on board configuration of SV's new A 333s?

No first class!, 36 seats business class and 262 guest class.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12325 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12443 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
In any case, Saudi Arabia has a long history of buying warplanes from the UK. They fly the Tornado and before that they were, I think I'm right in saying, the only export company for the Lightning.

And don't forget that (apart from the 772), SV has been a loyal RR customer - L1011 (not much of a choice there) and 747, all RR powered, so it's no surprise that RR got the deal here. Still, as Flying Belgian points out, RR is doing very well recently on A330 engine deals ... HA, LX, SQ, etc.

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 10):
If SV have no routes that need a VLA at other times of the year, might they just lease 747's during Hajj, as many airlines do currently?

Do not forget the issue of national pride here! Seeing that the likes of QR, EY and EK have (or are getting) A380s, I doubt if SV will want to be left out and on top of that, there's the issue of royal transport; currently, there is a 744, 743 and one or two other 747s (SPs, I think); I'd be surprised if a 380 didn't figure there. That it may not always have the routes to support a 380 may be academic!


User currently offlineSolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 819 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11695 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
Do not forget the issue of national pride here! Seeing that the likes of QR, EY and EK have (or are getting) A380s, I doubt if SV will want to be left out and on top of that, there's the issue of royal transport; currently, there is a 744, 743 and one or two other 747s (SPs, I think); I'd be surprised if a 380 didn't figure there. That it may not always have the routes to support a 380 may be academic!

True but I really think they could make use of at least 10 A380s and lord knows they have the cash. The KSA - India flights are jam packed with expat workers and that population is only going to grow over the years. The field oil workers don't get paid much so they fly the absolute cheapest route and avoid Dubai. Same I am sure for Karachi and Islamabad. JED could definitely use some A380s for Haj and don't forget Ramadan season which is also a huge draw. SV also moves a lot of cargo so the extra holds would be valuable. I have a hard time seeing them replace the 747's with the 77W. Maybe A350 or 748. Maybe if Airbus let's them produce something small (i.e. seats) in joint production that will push them over. It was a big selling point on the Eurofighter.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11339 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
I'm sure they will use it for LHR, GVA, and DXB.

The current SV A320 is more than enough for the GVA market. Even with no nonstop competition they can't justify more than 4 GVA flights a week.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

Adding to Viscount's post, it's unlikely to be used on the routes mentioned (except maybe DXB for proving). I think it will serve mainly the subcontinent, ASEAN and dense regional markets (CAI etc..).

Regarding the A380, I don't think it will be ordered by SV anytime soon. They don't compete in the same markets as EK/QR/EY . Their requirements are different, hence the large single-aisle fleet


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9384 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
747, all RR powered

Alas, no. RR for the -100, -200, -300, and -SP but they chose GE for their -400s.  


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 4):
I wonder why they went Airbus though. SV and KSA in general are very closely aligned to US products for political reasons.

I am not so sure. After all the Al Yamamah contract for Tornado and Hawk aircraft and other defence equipment was worth around £75 billion to BAE Systems and their subcontractors. Further the current Project Salem contract between KSA and BAE Systems to supply the Typhoon and other defence equipment is estimated to be worth £40 billion.

So buying an airliner with a British built powerplant flying on British built wings that together probably account for about one half of the contract cost does not seem that politically surprising to me.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 20):
So buying an airliner with a British built powerplant flying on British built wings that together probably account for about one half of the contract cost does not seem that politically surprising to me.

True. As we know SV chose the MD90 due to their military maintanance contracts with MD when they were due to order the BAe 146 which was much more suitable for their domestic needs.

Quoting SV777 (Reply 14):
No first class!,

You don't need First Class on any SV route as no one has paid for it. It's a waste of space.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 21):
SV chose the MD90 due to their military maintanance contracts with MD when they were due to order the BAe 146

And, it is rumoured, they were all set to have RR on their 23 777s until they received a call from the White House...  


User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

New A330-300 Routes

Source: Airlineroute

http://airlineroute.net/2010/05/24/sv-s10-update/

New Airbus A330-300 aircraft is entering service on following routes. Specific dates/flights/periods are not mentioned due to possible changes:

Jeddah – Cairo
Jeddah – Istanbul
Jeddah – Kuwait
Jeddah – Madinah – Istanbul
Riyadh – Cairo
Jeddah – Dammam
Jeddah – Riyadh


User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 4744 times:

Quoting aviationbuff (Reply 23):
ew Airbus A330-300 aircraft is entering service on following routes. Specific dates/flights/periods are not mentioned due to possible changes:

Jeddah – Cairo
Jeddah – Istanbul
Jeddah – Kuwait
Jeddah – Madinah – Istanbul
Riyadh – Cairo
Jeddah – Dammam
Jeddah – Riyadh

I am so surprised that DXB is not on the list, EK sending A380 to JED and the load is almost 80% on the route. SV need to review their A333 routes.


25 aviationbuff : But .... most of them are the passengers whose final destination is not DXB; while the traffic on SV is sector specific.
26 UAEflyer : The Saudis Authorities doesn't like that at all, they don't want EK to carry passengers beyond DXB. Check Wednesday morning flight from DXB-JED how i
27 Post contains images aviationbuff : Really ..... its unheard of anywhere .... weird step. If it s true then probably next time .... BA should carry only British and GCC nationals and sa
28 HiJazzey : I think you'll find the restriction is only for non-GCC umrah pilgrims. Separate immigration procedures for them. This is EK's clumsily worded notice:
29 Post contains images eicvd : Us Irish dont, we'd be delighted if EK announce DUB (aslong as they dont force EY out though )
30 TS-IOR : Maybe to TUN instead of the Turkish A332...
31 BasilFawlty : SV already sends 744's and 772's to DXB from both JED and RUH, so the A333 would not make a big difference compared to the 772.
32 Post contains links kaitak : I happened to browse the SV website and saw that it had 15 A321s on order; I knew they had 320s (since I saw one at DXB!), but never knew they had 321
33 aviationbuff : Surprised to notice that there is no mention of B787 in the list of "Our future fleet"
34 HiJazzey : The A32X order is split between A320 and A321 The fate of the 787 is not clear. Not officially cancelled, but there are doubts.
35 stylo777 : it's already operated with an A333 wetleased by Turkish company Saga. however their own aircraft on the route will automatically mean the cancelation
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