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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1744 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

Does anyone know what happened to Saudia's fleet of L1011-200's. Are they still in Saudia Arabia, Sold or scrapped.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what happened to Saudia's fleet of L1011-200's. Are they still in Saudia Arabia, Sold or scrapped.

Not sure how old the Google maps photo is, but 4 ex-SV L-1011s were stored on a taxiway at Taif (TIF), a joint air force base and commercial airport in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&sourc...952&spn=0.004941,0.009516&t=h&z=17

I think a few have been scrapped.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Scrapped. They were broken up in Taif. There was an accident with the dismantling of one of them.
On a semi-related note. TIF is going to become military only, civil aviation is getting kicked out. There are plans to build a new civilian facility.

[Edited 2010-05-17 15:13:23]

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

According to:

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.p...h&operator=AND&ac_ac=L1011&start=0

the status is:

C/N - Model - Reg - Remarks
1110 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHA - Scrapped
1116 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHB - Scrapped
1137 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHC - Stored at Taif (TIF) / to be scrapped
1144 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHD - Scrapped
1124 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHE - Stored at Taif (TIF) / to be scrapped
1130 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHF - Stored at Taif (TIF) / to be scrapped
1148 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHG - Scrapped
1149 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHH - Scrapped
1160 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHI - Stored at Taif (TIF) / to be scrapped
1161 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHJ - Scrapped
1169 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHK - W/O: Fire! (14-Aug-1980)
1170 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHL - Scrapped
1171 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHM - Stored at Taif (TIF) / to be scrapped
1175 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHN - Scrapped
1187 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHO - Scrapped
1190 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHP - Training Mock-up
1192 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHQ - Museum
1214 - L1011-200 - HZ-AHR - Scrapped



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User currently offlinetristarglory From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Interesting that one is being used for a museum. Would love to have more info on that!

So that gives us, 2 complete Tristars in museums, not counting fuselages and parts of fuselages (ie, the protype nose section in Atlanta).


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Quoting tristarglory (Reply 4):
So that gives us, 2 complete Tristars in museums, not counting fuselages and parts of fuselages (ie, the protype nose section in Atlanta).

Three, s/n 1191 an ex-BWIA -500 is in the Military History & Aerospace Museum in Chaguarams, Trinidad.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Do you know when they were scrapped?.

Also which one had the mishap during scrapping.


User currently offlineEirik From Norway, joined Mar 2005, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Any chance of flying on a Tristar as a paying passenger these days ?

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Quoting tristarglory (Reply 4):
Interesting that one is being used for a museum. Would love to have more info on that!

Wiki says:

Quote:

The Airline History Museum in Kansas City has obtained one of the last three operational L-1011s in the U.S. for the museum's permanent collection.[67] The Delta Airlines Museum houses a portion of the prototype Lockheed L-1011 aircraft.[26]

A Saudia L1011-200, is on display at the Royal Saudi Air Force Museum in Riyadh.[68]

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-1011#L-1011-200

Also the following link describes the fate of HZ-AHK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

Given the relatively young age of these aircraft when they were parked about 10 years ago, I never understood why there were no takers.

What was it, MX, Cycles or something else.

You would have thought that given the standard fit of a significant sized fleet would help.


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1785 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Talking of stored Tristars there's this one still awaiting its fate in LYS.


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Word is that it is going to become a fire-trainer.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

[quote=Bennett123,reply=9]Given the relatively young age of these aircraft when they were parked about 10 years ago, I never understood why there were no takers.

What was it, MX, Cycles or something else.

The Saudi L-1011 fleet was sold twice. However, neither buyer could get the financing together to get them operational.


User currently offlinencelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 11):
What was it, MX, Cycles or something else.

Non availability of new spare parts, perhaps?


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting Eirik (Reply 7):
Any chance of flying on a Tristar as a paying passenger these days ?

Don't think so; the only passenger operator is the RAF; I've taken a flight on an RAF L1011-500 (in 2004), during a refuelling mission. Terrific aircraft!


User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

god this is so sad...i just bought a 1/200 scale model of the saudia tristar....i spent my childhood on those planes  (((((


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 9):
Given the relatively young age of these aircraft when they were parked about 10 years ago, I never understood why there were no takers.

What was it, MX, Cycles or something else.

You would have thought that given the standard fit of a significant sized fleet would help.

While she was great for her time, I think the real issue in current times is the inefficient engines, the three man flight crew, etc. Add on to that the lack of spare parts and you have a very difficult business case to make.



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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
Any chance of flying on a Tristar as a paying passenger these days ?

Don't think so; the only passenger operator is the RAF

Not quite.
L1011 passenger operators today are....

Privilege Jet
Barq Airways
SAM Intercontinental
Rollins Air

All ad-hoc charter operators.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

According to my records this is the current position.

taken from www.eucomairlines.de

1124 HZ-AHE ST 1998-2006+ 41,842 Hrs/27,904 Cycles
1130 HZ-AHF ST 1998- 42,597 Hrs/28,413 Cycles
1137 HZ-AHC ST 1999-2001 2001-2006+ 39,838 Hrs/25,787 Cycles
1160 HZ-AHI ST 1999-2006+ 30,660 Hrs/26,394 Cycles
1171 HZ-AHM ST 1999-2006+ 36,411 Hrs/25,008 Cycles
1190 HZ-AHP ST 1999-2006
SADF GIA 2006-2008
Museum Rijadh 2008- 33,940 Hrs/23,367 Cycles
1192 HZ-AHQ ST 1999-2006
Security Trainer 2006- 32,783 Hrs/22,393 Cycles


User currently offlinelrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 9):
Given the relatively young age of these aircraft when they were parked about 10 years ago, I never understood why there were no takers.

What was it, MX, Cycles or something else.

You would have thought that given the standard fit of a significant sized fleet would help.

Whenever they were remarketed, all the owners had demanded absurd, above-market prices for the aircraft, and in the end i'm sure they got nothing for them when they were scrapped.

A shame really, because if they were sold and operated, they could have spurred interest in other parked (-1,-50) tristars in not so good condition... i.e. Delta, etc.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

One problem with the Saudi L-1011 fleet, was their high cycles. They averaged only about 1.5 hours per flight.

In comparison, GF's L-1011-200 fleet averaged 2.25 hrs per flight and the BA -200's average was 3.75 hrs per flight.

Because of the short cycles and the fact Saudi like to tanker fuel they had lot of stress cracks in their rear spars.


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