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Travolta Dogs Die In BGR Ground Equip Accident  
User currently offlinerightrudder From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23708 times:

My condolences to the Travolta family in the loss of their two dogs. They were apprarently run over by a service vehicle as they were being walked at Bangor International by someone unrelated to the family.

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/143693.html


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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 23223 times:

This is a very sad story. Travolta's 707 is a common visitor at Bangor. Something about the story doesn't quite add up. Dogs 'being walked' presume that they were on a leash, but if the dogs were killed so too would the person doing the walking. I sure hope the dogs weren't simply 'let loose.' It's tough to blame the driver if that was the case. The last thing he'd be looking for on an active airport property is a pair of loose dogs.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22963 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 1):
This is a very sad story. Travolta's 707 is a common visitor at Bangor. Something about the story doesn't quite add up. Dogs 'being walked' presume that they were on a leash, but if the dogs were killed so too would the person doing the walking. I sure hope the dogs weren't simply 'let loose.' It's tough to blame the driver if that was the case. The last thing he'd be looking for on an active airport property is a pair of loose dogs.

I'm assuming maybe they were on those extendable leashes that extend out to 20 ft or so, maybe they got ahead of the walker while extended and the service vehicle didnt see them because they came out of a blind spot.

What kind of dogs were they anyway?


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22963 times:

Tarmacs are no place for animals. Is it common to walk dogs like this?


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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 22296 times:

At LGW no animal was allowed out of its travel box and certainly not if it could in any way get out onto the tarmac or into the terminal building.

It takes something like this, a celebrity calamity, to highlight the faults in some procedures.


User currently offlinenbgskygod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 19453 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 5):
At LGW no animal was allowed out of its travel box and certainly not if it could in any way get out onto the tarmac or into the terminal building.

It takes something like this, a celebrity calamity, to highlight the faults in some procedures

They were most likely on the GA customs ramp at BGR, and since they were in a private aircraft, the dogs would not have been kept in a travel box. Its not uncommon for dogs to be walked to the FBO from the aircraft, or just around the ramp to do their business. I don't agree with the latter since I usually end up stepping in it.

It was more than likely some poor ramper looking for a good tip, or an assistant of the travoltas walking the dogs.



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User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 18257 times:

For a service vehicle to run over the dogs one could presume they were allowed to run unleashed on the ramp. In that event the canines could have met their demise in all sorts of ways; being sucked into the N1 section of a spooling Boeing BBJ, or in this case where they resembled the squashed dogs in the movie A Fish Called Wanda.

I realize that many people consider Mr. Travolta's skill as a pilot in the same breath with actor Steven Seagal's talent in the world of action movies and that's cruel. Seagal is a much more accomplished martial arts hero.  


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17832 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 1):
It's tough to blame the driver if that was the case.

How do you run over *2* dogs unless they are on a leash?


User currently onlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17782 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
I realize that many people consider Mr. Travolta's skill as a pilot in the same breath with actor Steven Seagal's talent in the world of action movies and that's cruel. Seagal is a much more accomplished martial arts hero.

 

I wonder if there was a DC-8 around to take the poor dogs' thetan souls back to Xenu...



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17604 times:

Maybe the driver was one Xenu's lackey and decided to get revenge on Travolta for releasing all those thetans and for using a 707 instead of a DC-8.

Sorry, couldn't help it.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17054 times:

Sorry to hear this and condolonces to the family, my lovely springer spaniel got run over last week so I know what its like to loose a pet. Horrible horrible time!

User currently offlinephileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16647 times:

I think we're missing the fact that this was very early in the morning, the plane landed at 1AM as it says in the article. I would assume that it would be really hard to see two small dogs in the middle of the night.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16617 times:

Dogs, cats, or any other family pet should not be on any ramp on any US certified airport. CFR part 139 considers pets as potential wildlife strikes and a danger to aircraft, the pet itself, and workers on the ramps.

At DFW we did not allow pets on leashs on the GA Ramp, they had to be in a pet carrier. The owners could take them outside the fense to 'do their business', but not on the ramps. Occasionally, a pet would escape from the pet carrier and Airfield Operations people or airline people would try to catch it, sometimes using food to help with the capture. But about half of those that did escape ended up getting unintentionally killed or injured.

I'm sorry for Travolta's loss of his dogs (and his son about 2 years ago), but he must share in the responsibility because he allowed it to happen to the dogs.


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 15829 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
I'm sorry for Travolta's loss of his dogs (and his son about 2 years ago), but he must share in the responsibility because he allowed it to happen to the dogs.

Please excuse my ignorance here, but I'm still working on the above line.
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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6102 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14551 times:
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Quoting francoflier (Reply 8):
I wonder if there was a DC-8 around to take the poor dogs' thetan souls back to Xenu...

        

Quoting rightrudder (Thread starter):
http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/143693.html

This must be a slow news day. If my dog was killed on the ramp nobody would care.

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
How do you run over *2* dogs unless they are on a leash?

That makes sense. I would think if they were running around the chances of both getting run over would be unlikely.

Quoting rightrudder (Thread starter):
they were being walked at Bangor International by someone unrelated to the family

I would hate to be that guy.



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User currently offlinemilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12634 times:

After reading some of these posts I feel compelled to share a unique experience I had involving Mr. Travolta. Perhaps after I share this less people will feel inclined to rip into him with little basis to do so.

I live in the DFW Metroplex and live less than a mile from the Four Seasons of Las Colinas. I occasionally go there for drinks as not only is it convenient, but also a quiet relaxing place to do so.

10 years ago in the middle of the week, I went there with a co-worker to knock back a few in what is now called the "Game Bar". I can't remember the exact day, but it was 10PM and there were only 3 people in the entire bar. One of which was John Travolta. He was sitting alone at the bar sipping on some white wine and chatting a bit with the bartender.

My friend and I sat at a table 10-15 feet away and our waiter confirmed that was JT sitting at the bar. When we were ready for the next round, I walked up to the bar to order and decided to chat him up a bit. I merely said "Hello Mr. Travolta, I know you're probably used to be hassled by the general public, but all I want to know is about your 707.."

He was very friendly and said "Sure, what do you want to know about it?" and I can't even remembered what I asked.. I think I asked how many hours it had on it and if the engines were Stage III.

We ended up chatting for over two hours about aviation, his movies (even battlefield earth). My friend even got him talking about Urban Cowboy. He would ask us questions about what our favorite scenes were and personally told me to see Face Off after I told him I had not seen it. The key thing here is that he was fully engaged in conversation and not just there to appease. Really friendly and dished out as many questions as we sent his way.

At the time both my father and sister worked at Legend Airlines which had it's terminal directly next to Signature Aviation which is where he had his aircraft parked. Turns out he was in Dallas for some flight training either in a sim or with an instructor, or maybe both.. I can't remember exactly.

Anyway, he asked me if I could get him into the Legend Terminal to check it out.. so I called my sister (it's 12:30AM at this time) and woke her up. She couldn't acommodate a midnight tour, but said if we could bring him by there the following day she could arrange it.

Unfortunately that tour never happened, but what I remember of John Travolta is that he was a genuinely nice guy who could not have been more down to earth.

It seems like he's having a rough time these days with his son passing, and now his dogs. If you met him, you would feel pretty confident that this is a man who doesn't deserve any of this negativity.

Anyway, just wanted to share!


User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11971 times:

Quoting milemaster (Reply 15):

Cool story. He does seem like that kind of guy... I can't say on what basis other than gut feeling.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11930 times:

Quoting milemaster (Reply 15):

He didn't measure your Thetan Level, did he?



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User currently offlinerightrudder From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11378 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 14):
This must of been a slow news day. If my dog was killed on the ramp nobody would care.

I suppose it all comes with the territory. Fame has it's cost... whether he is in it for the love of the job or the fame itself, the public always has their eye on them. In Hollywood his respect rating is quite high as I would expect his a.net respect rating to be as such.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 14):
I would hate to be that guy.

There is a good chance that the one walking the dogs could of been a gal. I would not assume here because, you know, it would make an xss out of you and me.

What I would like to know is what kind of service vehicle it was. (catering, lav, water, baggage)



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User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10441 times:

That's extremely sad news for the Travolta family and I'm sure everyone's thoughts are with them.

It's a terrible waste and obviously questions regarding safety will need to be cleared up to make sure this doesn't happen in the future.


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

Quoting rightrudder (Reply 18):
In Hollywood his respect rating is quite high

So is Roman Polanski's.....



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9237 times:

Quoting milemaster (Reply 15):
Unfortunately that tour never happened, but what I remember of John Travolta is that he was a genuinely nice guy who could not have been more down to earth.

It seems like he's having a rough time these days with his son passing, and now his dogs. If you met him, you would feel pretty confident that this is a man who doesn't deserve any of this negativity.

I also have met Mr. Travolta, but at the GA Ramp at DFW, in 2004. He took me inside his B-707-138, after I explained to him I flew the KC-135 in the USAF. He wanted to know the differences. We also talked a little politics, he respected my positions, and I his, with no yelling or arguing. I spent about 30 minutes with him while he waited for a fuel top off (he was flying onto HNL). In the end we shook each others hand and he wished me good luck. I agree he is a nice guy.

Quoting newark777 (Reply 17):
He didn't measure your Thetan Level, did he?

No.

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 13):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
I'm sorry for Travolta's loss of his dogs (and his son about 2 years ago), but he must share in the responsibility because he allowed it to happen to the dogs.

Please excuse my ignorance here, but I'm still working on the above line.

It is up to the dog owner to control his/her pet. Letting them walk around an airfield ramp isn't the smartest thing someone could do. Dogs don't know or understand how dangerous a ramp can be, with vehicles going this way or that way, running jet engines that could injest them. But people do understand that (at least some people), and Mr. Travolta as a pilot should be one of those who understand.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9059 times:

Quoting nbgskygod (Reply 5):
They were most likely on the GA customs ramp at BGR

It was very common for John to park the 707 and GIIB near to the American Eagle hangar when I worked at BGR. The whole other end of the ramp from there. Never the less sad.

Quoting milemaster (Reply 15):

I remember a few of our crews bumping into him out on our ramp early in the morning during pre-flights. In the winter months the staff at BGR would park his GIIB in our hangar, or across in an adjacent hangar. Often they would borrow our power cart to help him out...

[Edited 2010-05-18 12:56:19]


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User currently offlineHarleyDriver From United States of America, joined May 2010, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

While I have been a fan of A.Net for years and just about everyday I find a forum that interests me, I felt it was important for me to comment on this post as I too have had what I consider many personal dealings with Mr Travolta and his family and staff. This is my first of what I hope to be many posts.

I worked for the airport at Bangor during the late '80's and early '90's. I have given Mr. Travolta and his family many rides to and from his aircraft and the GA terminal. He was always an excellent person and by far I feel of all the traffic Bangor receives on the General Aviation side he was the one person we all looked forward to arriving as we always knew we would be received with a smile and a genuine handshake. He has given us tours of the B707 which I will never forget and I get a bit of a smile each time I see a picture or a discussion of his aircraft. He has even followed up on conversations from previous visits that we had which blew me away. I always felt he really wanted to have a conversion and I never felt it was just small talk to kill time like I had which many other people of fame that I dealt with. I too, like KC135TopBoom was a boom operator (MAINEIACS) and we also discussed the two similar aircraft. The simulator we used at DFW at the AA training center was the same simulator he and his co-pilots used as well

I will only speculate on what COULD have happened as I very familiar with the tarmac at BGR and while I understand procedures have changed in over 15 years this is what was permitted back when I worked there. It was quite common for personal corporate aircraft to have small dogs on board with the owner. If you look at an airfield diagram of BGR overnighting aircraft G-V and Challenger and smaller park at GA and quick turns for customs and fuel parked along the parking ramp across from the terminal. We would allow the passengers to take their dogs to the grass area near the jet to relieve themselves. (The dog, not the passenger). Larger aircraft like his B707 or BBJ's would park on the ramp near the control tower that was once the ramp for the Air National Guard and the KC-135's. That area wasn't well lighted and my speculation is that maybe a ramp supervisor or employee might have seen someone that was further away from the aircraft then they should have been not knowing that that person was taken their dogs to the grass nearby to relieve themselves. Again, I cant stress this enough that I am speculating and if this even could have remotely happened I agree that the person walking the dogs should have checked with someone prior to leaving the vicinity of the aircraft.

Mr. Travolta, if you read this I want to thank you for the many conversations I have had with you and if you come to New Jersey I would love to shake your hand again. As I ride a Harley I absolutely loved WILD HOGS!



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

Quoting HarleyDriver (Reply 23):
While I have been a fan of A.Net for years
Quoting HarleyDriver (Reply 23):
joined Dec 1969

I would say you have been a fan for many years.. yes....  

This is indeed sad, it is always tough to lose a pet, regardless of how it happened



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25 HarleyDriver : Yeah, I did see that. My profile reflects today so I guess it just needs to catch up.
26 Airport : Wow, you really have nothing better to do today than to use a family tragedy to throw mud at someone you probably have never even met or for that mat
27 Post contains images Avconsultant : Again it was at night. Driving on a ramp watching for wing tips is stressful enough. I'm sure when the driver heard the thud there was probably a mom
28 Post contains images newark777 : He subjected me to Wild Hogs and Battlefield Earth, what comes around....
29 yellowtail : So the big question is....is JT an a.net member? If you are bring that big bad 707 down to BZE would you!
30 dragon6172 : Two dogs at once seems odd. Is it possible someone attached their leashes to a parked service vehicle without the driver knowing and thats how they we
31 Avconsultant : I saw that movie. On a ramp, anything is possible.
32 N766UA : You got that right. You're NEVER supposed to let them out of their cages. Back when I used to work ramp for a major airline, though, there were numer
33 FRAspotter : True... However as much as I like dogs and other animals, I like humans more. I would rather an accident like this that exposes a safety concern invo
34 Post contains images F9Animal : This is very sad, and my deepest condolences to Mr. Travolta and family. Losing a family pet/s is a tragedy in itself.
35 jr : Totally understand that, and my condolences too - to JT and anyone who lost a pet this way. My parents' beautiful German shepherd just got run over a
36 Post contains images francoflier : The police and airport security would... They'd love to hear why you'd let your pet loose on the tarmac causing potential FOD...
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