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Ethiopian Deploying Q400 Regionally  
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

So, ET's summer schedule which begins in June for some reason has the following flights operated with the Q400 outside the country (trip length noted):
- Daily nonstop to Mombasa: 3:00
- Twice daily nonstop to Djibouti: 1:45
- 4x per week to Sana'a: 2:00

The nonstop to Mombasa may very well be the longest Q400 service.

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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

3 hours is a long time on a turboprop!

It seems ADD-JNB will be 767 for this summer, up from 737?


User currently offlinedkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

It is an hour longer to fly to MBA on the Q400. I recently went to MBA from ADD and flying time was 2 hours on the 737-700.

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
It seems ADD-JNB will be 767 for this summer, up from 737?

I saw their 752 at JNB last Wednesday. So they seem to be upguaging the ADD-JNB sector



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User currently offlineETforLIFE From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
It seems ADD-JNB will be 767 for this summer, up from 737?

World Cup Traffic


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting ETforLIFE (Reply 4):
World Cup Traffic

Not only for June and July, their online booking shows 767 from June to at least November. August onwards was previously 737, just recently changed to 767.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
3 hours is a long time on a turboprop!

Wimp   Spoken like someone who has never flown a patrol in a P-3

Three hours is a long flight on any aircraft. The question is really will the target passenger group expect a faster flight or put up with the time frame?


User currently offlineboeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

There are a few Q400s sitting idle @ KSDF.

Boeing727


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

There are a few Q400s sitting idle

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
Three hours is a long flight on any aircraft. The question is really will the target passenger group expect a faster flight or put up with the time frame?

Probably beach bound vacationers. Also, the only competitor with connections to the rest of the world is KQ, and it does not have a reach similar to ET's outside of Africa.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 8):
the only competitor with connections to the rest of the world is KQ, and it does not have a reach similar to ET's outside of Africa

Also, I find KQ rather expensive. Does their product worth the price they charge, compared to EK, ET, QR, SA alike?

IMHO, ET seems to use aircrafts a bit small for a few routes. 73G ADD-JNB 5.5 hours, not comfortable at all. ADD-DEL-PEK seems to be a very long route for a narrowbody (752).


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2836 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 9):
ADD-DEL-PEK seems to be a very long route for a narrowbody (752).

Try Dhaka-London in an MD80! United Airways!

Quoting cchan (Reply 9):
IMHO, ET seems to use aircrafts a bit small for a few routes.

Demand?



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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 8):
Probably beach bound vacationers.

I am pretty sure that's what it is, coming from Europe. Doesn't LH have its codes on this route as well?

Quoting ETStar (Reply 8):
Also, the only competitor with connections to the rest of the world is KQ,

not sure how much O/D traffic there is out of MBA. The real competition may be the low cost carriers going into MBA from Berlin, Milan, and other EU cities. If (and I am making assumptions here) most of the pax are holidaymakers who buy a package from a tour operator, my guess is that they will go for cheaper price over more comfortable rides.

Quoting cchan (Reply 9):
Also, I find KQ rather expensive. Does their product worth the price they charge, compared to EK, ET, QR, SA alike?

At this point, KQ probably has a better product compared to its most direct competitor: ET, but this is largely due to the relatively aging metals that ET flies.

Quoting cchan (Reply 9):
IMHO, ET seems to use aircrafts a bit small for a few routes. 73G ADD-JNB 5.5 hours, not comfortable at all. ADD-DEL-PEK seems to be a very long route for a narrowbody (752).

I agree. It seems to me that they are trying to maximize the utility of all their a/c, even at the cost of comfort. I hope this 'problem' goes away with the new fleet arrival in the coming years.

I don't have empirical data to base my argument on, but I would not be surprised if ET has the lowest cost structure (labor, a/c financing, etc.).


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Well, they were not kidding when they said they'd deploy them regionally. Evening flights to the following destinations will be served nonstop from Addis using the Q400 starting this summer:
- Sana'a
- Dar Es Salaam
- Zanzibar
- Kigali
- Kilimanjaro

The longest flights stands to be that to Dar Es Salaam at 3:30. Is this going to be the longest scheduled service for the Q400?

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 11):
At this point, KQ probably has a better product compared to its most direct competitor: ET, but this is largely due to the relatively aging metals that ET flies.

Not just the aging metals, but ET's upper class does not have the lie flat seats that KQ has. Don't know about in-flight service at KQ, but tend to think it is better. And now the Q400, which in my books is inferior to the E170, is a regional workhorse (and does not have J class). Meanwhile KQ is leasing two additional E170s.

Also, one thing to note is that ET has never leased additional B737-700s for its own ops since the initial 5 it acquired. Either their availability in the market is slim, or they just don't fit ET's needs - it has gone and ordered 738s however, which I believe would be replacements for 752s.


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 12):
The longest flights stands to be that to Dar Es Salaam at 3:30. Is this going to be the longest scheduled service for the Q400?

Wow, that's a long time; let's see how that is going to work out for them.

Quoting ETStar (Reply 12):
And now the Q400, which in my books is inferior to the E170, is a regional workhorse (and does not have J class). Meanwhile KQ is leasing two additional E170s.

  
let's see how this strategy is going to work out.

Quoting ETStar (Reply 12):
Not just the aging metals, but ET's upper class does not have the lie flat seats that KQ has.

IIRC, ET's 787s won't have lie flat seats in J.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 12):
ET's upper class does not have the lie flat seats that KQ has

But their price makes up for it. ET's J class is affordable even for those passengers who usually fly Y. KQ's J class is a lot more expensive. MK also offers low priced J class with lie flat, but their network is small.


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 14):
But their price makes up for it

I guess if they want to be the 'value' (cheap) leader, that's fine. I think ET has better cost structures than its immediate competitors, so lowering the quality of the product is not needed, IMHO.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

I just laugh when people say it's a long time to be on a turbo prop. I'm not old enough but even I can remember the old days before everything was jets. People are so spoiled.

User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 16):
I just laugh when people say it's a long time to be on a turbo prop. I'm not old enough but even I can remember the old days before everything was jets. People are so spoiled.

But by today's standards, 3 days' solid flying to get from Asia to Europe is a long time. I don't mind 2-3 hours on a turboprop as long as the weather is reasonably nice, it is hell on a bad day.


User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 13):
IIRC, ET's 787s won't have lie flat seats in J.

ET will have lie-flat on its 787 aircraft


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