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Will UA Utilise All LHR Slots After The Merger?  
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8960 times:

Hi All,

I was wondering. UA sits on/leases out a few slots at LHR and has not utilised them in full for some years now. After the merger do we think that they might look to grow at LHR and use the slots, for instance increasing frequency to the main hubs in US, possibly leave DEN to go year round (never understood why it was not anyway) and possibly, just possibly see a route added to say BOS or MIA.

Your thoughts.

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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8954 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):

aren't most(not all IIRC they have 1 or 2 leased to AC and one or to leased to Virgin) better for intra-europe opps which is why they are leased?(again IIRC mostly to LH)

anyways IMO if they put LHR slots anywhere right off it will be EWR-LHR.  
Could see BOS but i would MIA is out o fthe question. Maybe more flights to ORD or IAH?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8889 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):
better for intra-europe opps which is why they are leased?(again IIRC mostly to LH)

I think even the ones that LH did take when *A was introduced still left UA with more than what they utilise now.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 1):
MIA is out o fthe question

But there is a lot of traffic between LHR and MIA and a lot of that must be O & D, hence why I think a flight could work but recognise that this flight would be way down the list of potential routes. The hubs will see them first and your right, I can see EWR getting more frequencies and possbly a 747 on that route. That would be great to see them back at LHR.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8642 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2):
But there is a lot of traffic between LHR and MIA and a lot of that must be O & D, hence why I think a flight could work but recognise that this flight would be way down the list of potential routes. The hubs will see them first and your right, I can see EWR getting more frequencies and possbly a 747 on that route. That would be great to see them back at LHR.

Yea I'm still going to say UA is the wrong carrier for this one. AA and BA have MIA on lock down and UA is very small in SF. If any US carrier could do it I would say *maybe* DL could do FLL-LHR but i don't even think that would work.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2):
I think even the ones that LH did take when *A was introduced still left UA with more than what they utilise now.

well LHR has a use it or lose it rule AFAIK so if they are being used or leased then they have been given back. AC/Virgin have a few and LH has the rest AFAIK.

Is UA still doing LHR-BRU?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8570 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Is UA still doing LHR-BRU?

I believe so....for how long, I dont know.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):

I believe so....for how long, I dont know.

just looked it up and i don't see it now.

hmmmmm what flight did that go to? LHR-DEN?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Is CO leasing any of their slots? Either way, I could see them wanting the additional slots since EWR can probably support more service to LHR.


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2986 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7798 times:
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Would the new United ever be able to get back JFK to LHR? As the world's largest airline might they want that?
Also, does CO have a morning flight to LHR from EWR?



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User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7665 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

My question, since LHR is a slot restricted airport and fair access is a key component, now that two carriers have been merged should the LHR authorities take back some of the slots or demand that they be sold etc. since two carriers have now become one?
If consolidation is a good thing should it not also apply to scarce items like slots, I believe they should be obligated to divest themselves of a portion of the combined number not necessarily half, but if each had 50 for example going in, they should be required to divest 20, the new carrier going forward would have 80, and recoup some funds by the sale / auction.

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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3996 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7603 times:
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Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):
Is UA still doing LHR-BRU?

I believe so....for how long, I dont know.

I don't think so, although I'm not positive about that. I know American doesn't anymore.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 3):
*maybe* DL could do FLL-LHR but i don't even think that would work.

And why not MCO-LHR? Isn 't MCO an international gateway as well? I'm sure MCO-LHR would support a 763 or a 764.

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User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 7):
Also, does CO have a morning flight to LHR from EWR?

Yes, CO 18 departs EWR 0900 arrives LHR 2120 on a 752.


User currently offlineCHEPOS From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

MCO-LHR? Why would DL do that, VS and BA and a whole bunch of UK based charter carriers already serve that route. Yes the route could support a 767-300, heck maybe a 747-400, but it would go into a market were it would not make money, based on the competition and the fact it would be a low yielding route. LHR slots are valuable and if they want to operate a London-MCO route it would be out of LGW, and if they wanted to be on the route they would have started it by now.
If there is any growth for UAL out of LHR with this me merger it would be to EWR and IAH.

Regards,

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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7432 times:
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Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Is UA still doing LHR-BRU?

The last couple of years LHR - AMS/BRU have been codeshares with BMI .

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 3):
UA is very small in SF

I know what you really mean, but this sounds so funny out of context.  


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Is UA still doing LHR-BRU?

The last couple of years LHR - AMS/BRU have been codeshares with BMI .

UA operated a LHR-BRU tag on flight this winter as a slot holder.


UA originally bought 20 slot pairs from PA and sold two of them to BA during BK so of the remaining 18 pairs.

This summer UA is operating:
SFOx2
LAXx1
DENx1
ORDx3
IADx3

LH leases 4 slot pairs (leased as part of the original alliance agreement between UA and LH) and I want to say that QR, AC, CO and BD all have one slot pair each...I should point out that the CO lease is rumored/inferred...CO announced that they would be operating an extra flight between EWR and LHR this summer almost at the same time that UA decided to only operate 3 daily IAD-LHRs this summer...



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7326 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 13):
UA operated a LHR-BRU tag on flight this winter as a slot holder.

Aaah, so!   


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 7):
Would the new United ever be able to get back JFK to LHR?

They can do it now if they have the LHR and JFK slots.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 7):
As the world's largest airline might they want that?

That title doesn't make them any bigger at JFK and if they starter JFK-LHR it would eat away at the O/D on EWR-LHR.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
And why not MCO-LHR? Isn 't MCO an international gateway as well? I'm sure MCO-LHR would support a 763 or a 764.

Well i believe if DL started any LHR flights out of FL it would be MCO, but just talking about South FL it would be FLL. (and none of which do i ever see happening unless DL gets a hub at FLL or MIA.) If we see any TATL flights from FL on DL i would bet MCO-CDG and MIA-AMS both with 763s.

Quoting United1 (Reply 13):
UA operated a LHR-BRU tag on flight this winter as a slot holder.

and the slot went to DEN-LHR i assume?

Quoting United1 (Reply 13):
LH leases 4 slot pairs (leased as part of the original alliance agreement between UA and LH) and I want to say that QR, AC, CO and BD all have one slot pair each...I should point out that the CO lease is rumored/inferred...CO announced that they would be operating an extra flight between EWR and LHR this summer almost at the same time that UA decided to only operate 3 daily IAD-LHRs this summer...

hmmm i'm not sure why but i thought VA had one. guess not.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 7):
Would the new United ever be able to get back JFK to LHR? As the world's largest airline might they want that?
Also, does CO have a morning flight to LHR from EWR?

I'm not sure why they would want to but if they have the slots they can fly it. Post merger UA will have 5 daily EWR-LHR flights (0900, 1840, 1920, 2000 & 2110 are the current departure times.)



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
and the slot went to DEN-LHR i assume?

Yuppers...

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
hmmm i'm not sure why but i thought VA had one.

VS had one for a couple of years but it was as short term lease.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7168 times:
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Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2):
But there is a lot of traffic between LHR and MIA and a lot of that must be O & D, hence why I think a flight could work but recognise that this flight would be way down the list of potential routes. The hubs will see them first and your right, I can see EWR getting more frequencies and possbly a 747 on that route. That would be great to see them back at LHR.

Doubtful Miami would be flown by the "new" United, when it was flown in the 1980's by Continental they picked it up from sister airline Eastern so they had feed.

BA and AA have atleast 3 daily Miami to LHR and sometimes four by 777 or 744's plus Virgin has one daily 744 or A340-600. Miami is well served to LHR, which is its largest international destination. UA did briefly fly from Miami to LHR in 1991 but then UA had a smal MIA hub too.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6966 times:

I personally would love to see a day flight from ORD to LHR.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 13):

UA operated a LHR-BRU tag on flight this winter as a slot holder.

Not only was it a slot holder, with the parking fees at LHR, it is cheaper to fly a plane with 100 passengers to BRU where costs are low than it is to overnight in LHR.

Quoting United1 (Reply 17):
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
and the slot went to DEN-LHR i assume?

Yuppers...

UA also goes double daily SFO-LHR in the summer, so that took an extra slot too.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 19):
I personally would love to see a day flight from ORD to LHR

Apart from red eye flights in from the west coast, there would not be many connections in order to support the flight. O/D is not high enough to support it.



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6667 times:

I absolutely expect a ramp-up of USA-LHR flying as a result of the merger - truthfully, it's the one Europe market where Delta can be reduced to bit player status if UA/CO play their hand just right.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6496 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
Quoting United1 (Reply 17):
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
and the slot went to DEN-LHR i assume?

Yuppers...

UA also goes double daily SFO-LHR in the summer, so that took an extra slot too.

True...I forgot about that...my numbers still right thought I think UA gets around the use it or loose it rule by shuffling slots around a bit in order to keep the total percentage above 80%.

Quoting avek00 (Reply 21):
absolutely expect a ramp-up of USA-LHR flying as a result of the merger - truthfully, it's the one Europe market where Delta can be reduced to bit player status if UA/CO play their hand just right.

DLs already a bit player in LHR...



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User currently offlinezvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6446 times:

Slot management policies at LHR are inane. Slot leases with staggered three to five year terms should be auctioned.

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6181 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
Apart from red eye flights in from the west coast, there would not be many connections in order to support the flight. O/D is not high enough to support it.

AA has had a daylight ORD-LHR flight for years and it does fine.
AA90 ORD 0905 LHR 2245



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25 UAL777UK : That where I was coming from. If AA can make it work, why can't UA?
26 jfk777 : OK Delta wil have 6 767-400 flights to LHR this summer, 3 from JFK and one each from MSP, DTW and ATL. UA/CO should worry about BA and AA and Virgin,
27 vin2basketball : what about another daily IAH-LHR?? Seems like the EU stuff does great business from LHR
28 CALMSP : would be nice to have that late night flight again.........leaving IAH around 1030pm.
29 surfandsnow : Well, if you go back just 10 years, you will remember that UA served LHR (at least once daily, year round) from BOS, JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, SFO, and LAX
30 Post contains links srbmod : Please continue this discussion in the following thread, as this topic should have been posted in it instead of as a new thread: UA/CO Merger: Impact
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