UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7681 times:
Hi All,
I was wondering. UA sits on/leases out a few slots at LHR and has not utilised them in full for some years now. After the merger do we think that they might look to grow at LHR and use the slots, for instance increasing frequency to the main hubs in US, possibly leave DEN to go year round (never understood why it was not anyway) and possibly, just possibly see a route added to say BOS or MIA.
aren't most(not all IIRC they have 1 or 2 leased to AC and one or to leased to Virgin) better for intra-europe opps which is why they are leased?(again IIRC mostly to LH)
anyways IMO if they put LHR slots anywhere right off it will be EWR-LHR.
Could see BOS but i would MIA is out o fthe question. Maybe more flights to ORD or IAH?
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But there is a lot of traffic between LHR and MIA and a lot of that must be O & D, hence why I think a flight could work but recognise that this flight would be way down the list of potential routes. The hubs will see them first and your right, I can see EWR getting more frequencies and possbly a 747 on that route. That would be great to see them back at LHR.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8581 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7363 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2): But there is a lot of traffic between LHR and MIA and a lot of that must be O & D, hence why I think a flight could work but recognise that this flight would be way down the list of potential routes. The hubs will see them first and your right, I can see EWR getting more frequencies and possbly a 747 on that route. That would be great to see them back at LHR.
Yea I'm still going to say UA is the wrong carrier for this one. AA and BA have MIA on lock down and UA is very small in SF. If any US carrier could do it I would say *maybe* DL could do FLL-LHR but i don't even think that would work.
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2): I think even the ones that LH did take when *A was introduced still left UA with more than what they utilise now.
well LHR has a use it or lose it rule AFAIK so if they are being used or leased then they have been given back. AC/Virgin have a few and LH has the rest AFAIK.
Is UA still doing LHR-BRU?
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VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2425 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6519 times:
Would the new United ever be able to get back JFK to LHR? As the world's largest airline might they want that?
Also, does CO have a morning flight to LHR from EWR?
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par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 5901 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6362 times:
My question, since LHR is a slot restricted airport and fair access is a key component, now that two carriers have been merged should the LHR authorities take back some of the slots or demand that they be sold etc. since two carriers have now become one?
If consolidation is a good thing should it not also apply to scarce items like slots, I believe they should be obligated to divest themselves of a portion of the combined number not necessarily half, but if each had 50 for example going in, they should be required to divest 20, the new carrier going forward would have 80, and recoup some funds by the sale / auction.
CHEPOS From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 5968 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6177 times:
MCO-LHR? Why would DL do that, VS and BA and a whole bunch of UK based charter carriers already serve that route. Yes the route could support a 767-300, heck maybe a 747-400, but it would go into a market were it would not make money, based on the competition and the fact it would be a low yielding route. LHR slots are valuable and if they want to operate a London-MCO route it would be out of LGW, and if they wanted to be on the route they would have started it by now.
If there is any growth for UAL out of LHR with this me merger it would be to EWR and IAH.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6055 times:
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 12): Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Is UA still doing LHR-BRU?
The last couple of years LHR - AMS/BRU have been codeshares with BMI .
UA operated a LHR-BRU tag on flight this winter as a slot holder.
UA originally bought 20 slot pairs from PA and sold two of them to BA during BK so of the remaining 18 pairs.
This summer UA is operating:
SFOx2
LAXx1
DENx1
ORDx3
IADx3
LH leases 4 slot pairs (leased as part of the original alliance agreement between UA and LH) and I want to say that QR, AC, CO and BD all have one slot pair each...I should point out that the CO lease is rumored/inferred...CO announced that they would be operating an extra flight between EWR and LHR this summer almost at the same time that UA decided to only operate 3 daily IAD-LHRs this summer...
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8581 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5961 times:
Quoting VC10er (Reply 7): Would the new United ever be able to get back JFK to LHR?
They can do it now if they have the LHR and JFK slots.
Quoting VC10er (Reply 7): As the world's largest airline might they want that?
That title doesn't make them any bigger at JFK and if they starter JFK-LHR it would eat away at the O/D on EWR-LHR.
Quoting American 767 (Reply 9): And why not MCO-LHR? Isn 't MCO an international gateway as well? I'm sure MCO-LHR would support a 763 or a 764.
Well i believe if DL started any LHR flights out of FL it would be MCO, but just talking about South FL it would be FLL. (and none of which do i ever see happening unless DL gets a hub at FLL or MIA.) If we see any TATL flights from FL on DL i would bet MCO-CDG and MIA-AMS both with 763s.
Quoting United1 (Reply 13): UA operated a LHR-BRU tag on flight this winter as a slot holder.
and the slot went to DEN-LHR i assume?
Quoting United1 (Reply 13): LH leases 4 slot pairs (leased as part of the original alliance agreement between UA and LH) and I want to say that QR, AC, CO and BD all have one slot pair each...I should point out that the CO lease is rumored/inferred...CO announced that they would be operating an extra flight between EWR and LHR this summer almost at the same time that UA decided to only operate 3 daily IAD-LHRs this summer...
hmmm i'm not sure why but i thought VA had one. guess not.
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United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5961 times:
Quoting VC10er (Reply 7): Would the new United ever be able to get back JFK to LHR? As the world's largest airline might they want that?
Also, does CO have a morning flight to LHR from EWR?
I'm not sure why they would want to but if they have the slots they can fly it. Post merger UA will have 5 daily EWR-LHR flights (0900, 1840, 1920, 2000 & 2110 are the current departure times.)
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5889 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2): But there is a lot of traffic between LHR and MIA and a lot of that must be O & D, hence why I think a flight could work but recognise that this flight would be way down the list of potential routes. The hubs will see them first and your right, I can see EWR getting more frequencies and possbly a 747 on that route. That would be great to see them back at LHR.
Doubtful Miami would be flown by the "new" United, when it was flown in the 1980's by Continental they picked it up from sister airline Eastern so they had feed.
BA and AA have atleast 3 daily Miami to LHR and sometimes four by 777 or 744's plus Virgin has one daily 744 or A340-600. Miami is well served to LHR, which is its largest international destination. UA did briefly fly from Miami to LHR in 1991 but then UA had a smal MIA hub too.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8740 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5581 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 13):
UA operated a LHR-BRU tag on flight this winter as a slot holder.
Not only was it a slot holder, with the parking fees at LHR, it is cheaper to fly a plane with 100 passengers to BRU where costs are low than it is to overnight in LHR.
Quoting United1 (Reply 17): Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
and the slot went to DEN-LHR i assume?
Yuppers...
UA also goes double daily SFO-LHR in the summer, so that took an extra slot too.
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 19): I personally would love to see a day flight from ORD to LHR
Apart from red eye flights in from the west coast, there would not be many connections in order to support the flight. O/D is not high enough to support it.
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avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5388 times:
I absolutely expect a ramp-up of USA-LHR flying as a result of the merger - truthfully, it's the one Europe market where Delta can be reduced to bit player status if UA/CO play their hand just right.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5217 times:
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20): Quoting United1 (Reply 17):
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
and the slot went to DEN-LHR i assume?
Yuppers...
UA also goes double daily SFO-LHR in the summer, so that took an extra slot too.
True...I forgot about that...my numbers still right thought I think UA gets around the use it or loose it rule by shuffling slots around a bit in order to keep the total percentage above 80%.
Quoting avek00 (Reply 21): absolutely expect a ramp-up of USA-LHR flying as a result of the merger - truthfully, it's the one Europe market where Delta can be reduced to bit player status if UA/CO play their hand just right.
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4902 times:
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20): Apart from red eye flights in from the west coast, there would not be many connections in order to support the flight. O/D is not high enough to support it.
AA has had a daylight ORD-LHR flight for years and it does fine.
AA90 ORD 0905 LHR 2245
Ryan / HKG
25 UAL777UK: That where I was coming from. If AA can make it work, why can't UA?
26 jfk777: OK Delta wil have 6 767-400 flights to LHR this summer, 3 from JFK and one each from MSP, DTW and ATL. UA/CO should worry about BA and AA and Virgin,
27 vin2basketball: what about another daily IAH-LHR?? Seems like the EU stuff does great business from LHR
28 CALMSP: would be nice to have that late night flight again.........leaving IAH around 1030pm.
29 surfandsnow: Well, if you go back just 10 years, you will remember that UA served LHR (at least once daily, year round) from BOS, JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, SFO, and LAX
30 srbmod: Please continue this discussion in the following thread, as this topic should have been posted in it instead of as a new thread: UA/CO Merger: Impact
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