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U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus  
User currently offlineAY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 474 posts, RR: 2
Posted (14 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1953 times:

the C.E.O. of Airbus Industries has said that one of theese U.S airlines will buy Airbus products in future!Continental,American Airlines,Delta.He sounded quite confident that this will happen!who will get Airbus out of those three what is your quess?I would bet on Delta  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2855 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (14 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1832 times:

Delta has an exclusive agreement with Boeing. So...maybe not DL.

User currently offlineA330/B777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1825 times:

The CEO of Airbus sounds a little cocky if he thinks that any of Boeing's big three will difect his way. But anyway, CO is of course the least likley order anything French(GB used head the 737 line at Boeing), and I'd imagine that American is the most likely considering thier more recent Airbus purchases. Those A306's will need to be reitered soon, so Airbus might try and find a home for some A332's. You have to admit, those would be the best looking airplanes to grace the sky.

User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1815 times:

CO is standardizing around 737, 757/767, 777 in the future. Seeing that A380 is not in their plans, you can cross CO off the list.
AA and DL are doing the same.
Don't hold your breath. This won't happen... unless Boeing suffers from brain cramp and lets another 'AA & A300'-like deal take place.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8360 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (14 years 6 days ago) and read 1791 times:

AA for the A330 is the only possibility, they haven't started replacing their old 767s yet, whereas DL are going for it with the 764 and CO will never buy Airbus. I don't see any of them buying the A320 family, they're all reequiping with the 737NG.

I know I've said this before but I'll bet good money that one of these airlines (DL) buy some 747-400s.

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User currently offlineBraniff747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 6 days ago) and read 1769 times:

Delta is out for sure.

AA is a good possibility.

CO is a long shot, but they used to fly the A300 - so it's not impossible. However, Bethune used to work for Boeing so that says something.

Cedarjet: it would be very cool if DL picked up some 744s, but I think the 777 is a far as they'll go.

User currently offlineAirCanadaMan From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 days ago) and read 1755 times:

I recall seeing on here not too long ago, actually may have been a while ago that the new AA long term fleet plan consisted of only Boeing material.

Personally I think thats the way it will stay, look at the order books,
and the 20 717's left over from TWA.

Notice they immediatley cancelled the A318 order.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

When did this guy say that? What was he smoking? That is a ridiculous statement. Really. American is out, they have stated that they are going down to three types: 737, 757/767, 777.

Keep in mind that 757 and 767 are considered the same typoe of aircraft.

Delta is pretty much the same.

Continental, everyone has already pointed out.

So that is a ridiculous statement. What is your source?


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

I could see maybe AA ordering the A330-200/300 to replace their A300-600Rs and possibly the RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600 if they don't want the GE90 powered 777-300ER.

User currently offlineA330/B777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

If AA buys the A330-200, then, and only then, could I see UA buying the 737ng. So basically, I think a snowball has more of a chance in Hell, than AA, CO, or DL buying Airbuses in any of the next 10 years.

User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

None of those airlines will place orders with Airbus. they are all standardizing to a 777, 767/757, 737 fleet eventually. AA will use high capacity domestic 777s to replace the cash cow A300s. Admitedly though, I'd love to see an A330 in AA colors. It would look great.

User currently offlineNWA ARJ From United States of America, joined May 2001, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

I think Continental.

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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8156 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

I think the ONLY airline among the three mentioned (AA, CO and DL) that have any chance to buy new Airbus planes will be AA, given AA's substantial A300-600R fleet. It won't be A320 Family planes, since AA has nearly 400 production slots available at Boeing for Next-Generation 737's and 777's.

I think in the end AA will end up buying the non-ER 777-200's to replace their AB6 fleet for fleet commonality reasons. They'll be used on flights to SJU and the JFK to Europe flights.

User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

I agree that AA will buy 777's or 764's to replace the A300's

I strongly disagree that AA is condidering ANY Airbus product. If they were interested, they would have not cancelled the A318 order.

User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (14 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

I am not so sure about this but if I had to pick one it would be AA.

User currently offlineUS Air/TWA Fan From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

In this order:

AA could order A330-200/300 to relace A300/762.
A340 for longer range that the 777 (at full utilization)can't handle.
OR A380 because AA is the largest airline, the A380 could become AA's new flagship.
The A380 would be great for airports such as slot controled JFK, LHR, and ORD.
Unfortunatly AA will not go with the A320 family, they choose the 737 and MD-80 families.

DL, not as likely..I heard a DL employee say that the A310s Delta had recieved from Pan Am were scraped due to lack of support from Airbus....but that was then, Airbus is stronger and better now. Maybe the A380 or A340 could find its way for the long haul or high density routes.

CO not very likely... they want to go to the 737, 757/767, and 777. But the A340 could handle the Pacific operations.

User currently offlineSwiss-airplane From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 591 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (14 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

All those 3 airlines have agreements wiht Boeing. Boeing planes are much better than Airbus planes. I'm from Europe, but I prefer much more Boeing products. the 777 is my favourite plane and I loved always to fly with that. I just loved my latest American Airlines 777 flight, it was wonderful. I hope that I will never see any A330, which is a very ugly plane in colours of DL, AA or CO.

User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (14 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

It appears to me the US carriers are intent on 2 engine aircraft for all their needs. If Airbus wants to compete head to head with Boeing (namely the 777). They'll have to drop their past marketing strategies and go full out with the A330, making it as viable a long distance aircraft as the A340. US airlines are very much "by the numbers" organizations. And if the numbers say 2 engines can perform the same mission as 4 engines with less cost, you can almost bet thats the way they'll go.

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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (14 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

I don't expect AA,DL or CO to order Airbus planes as they seems to prefer Boeing aircrafts.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (14 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Couple of things, the Boeing exclusivity clauses are not enforcable: when the Boeing/Douglas merger was approved by the EU, one condition was that such clauses could not be enforced.

Second, although I do not think it is likely that AA, DL or CO will buy any Airbus products in the future since they have more or less decided on their respective fleet replacement plans, you never know. If Airbus can offer the right product at the right price, they could have a sale. We have all been surprised before. Never say never.

At this point in time, the A380 does not fit into the needs of any of these airlines, but, in the future, one or all of them may need a huge aircraft for lift, especially if airports become more and more crowded.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (14 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

I wouldn't rule Delta out quite so fast....

As Dutchjet said, the exclusivity clause is nonenforceable.

As far as fleet planning, one cannot make a solid, "for sure" statement about Delta's plans about long haul widebodies. I think Delta is pretty committed to the 777 as its long range flagship, since the powers that be in Atlanta are reportedly trying everything humanly possible to get a hold of more. However, the 767-400's performance, while not as terrible as some would have us believe, is a little disappointing, from what I've begun to hear. I know I disputed this at first, but based on what I've started to hear, this may have something to it.

In addition, remember that it was our previous CEO Ron Allen who would have nothing to do with Airbus. While Leo Mullin has not dropped any hints about DL considering Airbus products, he has not flatly denied that either when asked.

Just think of this...

A330s slowly taking the place of the 763ER as the workhorse of Delta's mighty transatlantic network, as the 763s are moved to primarily domestic duties of replacing the long in the tooth 762s and older 763s as well. The A330 would blow the 763 away as far as cargo capacity and efficiency are concerned. The A330 would likely not face weight limitations on 763ER routes currently suffering from that problem, namely ATL-SCL, ATL-EZE once it is downgraded, FRA-BOM, etc.

I don't know how feasible this is. However, it isn't impossible, and as has been said before, never say never. Rumors are flying about the future of the 764 at Delta.... you never know.....

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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

OK look, it's nice to fantasize about a favorite airline acquiring a favorite aircraft, but this will not happen any time soon. Who's to say that these airlines will not consider Airbus in the long term future. 20+ years from now. But for now, none of these airlines will even consider Airbus in thier fleet. In this day in age of cost cutting measures, and comminality, Airbus will not happen for DL, CO or AA. DL and CO don't have any Airbus aircraft. Why consider the burden of integrating an all new aircraft to thier fleet? Makes no sense whatsoever. And for AA, even they considered the A330, it still has no comminality to the A300. A330 is FBW, different wing, different engines, etc.

So, as fun as it is to fantasize about these airlines acquiring Airbus aircraft, that's all it will be for many years. MANY years.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8156 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (14 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1592 times:


I have my doubts about whether DL will buy any of the A330 series.

The issues of pilot/crew training and spare parts may conspire against DL getting the A330-200, which is a plane probably best-suited for DL's trans-Atlantic and South American route needs. And very likely Boeing may make an uprated engine available for the 767-400ER that may alleviate DL's concerns about climb performance and fuel burn.

As for DL getting the A330-300, not only do we have the issues I mentioned above but also the A333 has barely the range to fly trans-Atlantic routes from ATL and CVG on a full load.

I think in the end DL may buy the 767-400ER primarily for USA transcon and USA West Coast to Hawaii flights and more likely buy more 777-200ER's and non-ER 777-200's.

User currently offlineAY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (14 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

I heard this statement from Airbus CEO when he was in Farnborough airshow and it was on tv some months ago in BBC World.

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User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

What are you guys talking about? Delta's 763ERs are in no need to be retired, they have many years left. Continental, well would Swissair order more 743s these days? Nope. American, well, I heard that SQ decided to order 100 new 737-200s to phase out all A340s. Ummmmmmmm, not really, huh?

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25 Mah4546 : The A300 works great for AA, IMO. They don't have plans on retiring them any time soon, but they do plan on taking them off of trans-Atlantic service
26 CXA330-342 : Mah4546, If my memory serves me correctly, I think that AA took delivery of its first A300-600R on April 20, 1988. I don't know how old the youngest o
27 Post contains images AY-MD11 : A300 in AA colors is great looking plane!and the A330 would be perfect to replace them.Does anyone know how many A300s AA has??? AY-MD11
28 RayChuang : AY-MD11, AA has 35 A300-600R's in their fleet, primarily concentrated on US East Coast to Europe and Caribbean routes. They'll stay in AA service unti
29 Boeing nut : AA may have some of the first A300's. I believe they acquired these from the Eastern garage sale.
30 Post contains images RayChuang : Boeing nut, Wrongo. AA never bought any A300B4 models second-hand. The ex-Eastern A300's were either sold or integrated into CO's fleet; the CO A300B4
31 Cedarjet : AA could go for the A330, it has far more cargo capacity than the 767 and is a much more efficient aircraft. I can see why AA could standardise on the
32 DeltAirlines : None of the airlines would buy the Airbus planes. They would be adding a whole new fleet type, which would be an oddball. American, Delta, and Contine
33 Post contains images King767 : "AA could go for the A330, it has far more cargo capacity than the 767 and is a much more efficient aircraft. I can see why AA could standardise on th
34 GOT : AA is the only airline I think might buy Airbus and if they do, to replace A300/762. GOT
35 Boeing747-400 : The 762s at AA have quite a few years in them left GOT. If AA would order an A330-size aircraft, it would most liikely be the 764. Also, I think AA wo
36 GDB : I think the Airbus CEO was winding up Boeing during the head games between the two at the Farnborough A380/B747X presentations. If any US major orders
37 Western737 : He's just bluffing us. (I m speaking of CEO of Airbus)
38 Post contains images AY-MD11 : Thanks RayChuang for the info!this is not a poll im just curious because hearing this from CEO of Airbus. AY-MD11
39 Post contains images Boeing747-400 : Yeah, I'm sure everyone believes you met the CEO of Airbus. When did he tell you?
40 Post contains images Baec777 : American Airlines Order: Boeing 764 Replace: AB6s (Airbus 300-600). Delta Airlines Order: Airbus 320 Replace: Boeing 732, Boeing 733 Continental Airli
41 Dutchjet : As usual, we have another out of control Boeing vs Airbus discussion. CO, DL or AA have not made any decision to buy Airbus aircraft at this time, but
42 King767 : "Continental Airlines Order: Airbus 313 Replace: Boeing 762" I have not heard not too many airlines that replace aircraft just a few months old.
43 DeltAirlines : Also, Delta has options galore on the 736/73G to replace the 732 and 733. Right now, rumour has it that Delta is going to announce an order for the 73
44 Post contains images AY-MD11 : I personally havent meet the CEO of Airbus only heard him say this on tv like one of my post clearly says.I have this statement on video and if someon
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