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OAG Changes 5/20/2010:AA/AS/B6/DL/F9/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7144 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...

3E
ORD-BRL 2>0 JUL-
ORD-DEC 3>0 JUL-
STL-BRL 2>0 JUL-
STL-DEC 2>0 JUL-
STL-IRK 2>0 JUL-

AA
DFW-CLL 3>2 AUG-
DFW-BZE 1>2/WK AUG-NOV
DFW-CMH 4>5 AUG-NOV
DFW-CUN 4>3 AUG-NOV
DFW-DCA 12>11 AUG-
DFW-MCO 10>9 AUG-NOV
DFW-ORD 16>17 AUG-
DFW-PHX 9>8 AUG-NOV
DFW-PVR 2>1 AUG-SEP
DFW-RNO 2>3 AUG-NOV
DFW-STL 9>10 AUG-NOV
JFK-PLS 1>2/WK AUG-NOV
JFK-PUJ 1>2/WK AUG-NOV
JFK-STT 1>1/WK AUG-NOV
JFK-UVF 2/WK>0 AUG-NOV
LAX-SJD 2>1 AUG-SEP
MIA-CUN 4>3 AUG-NOV
MIA-GCM 3>2 AUG-NOV
MIA-GUA 3>2 AUG-NOV
MIA-LAX 7>6 AUG-NOV
MIA-LGA 10>9 AUG-NOV
MIA-MDE 2>1 AUG-NOV
MIA-ORD 9>8 AUG-NOV
MIA-PLS 3>2 AUG-NOV
MIA-PTY 2>3 AUG-
MIA-SDQ 4>3 AUG-NOV
MIA-YUL 3>2 AUG-NOV
ORD-CUN 1>1/WK AUG-NOV
ORD-DEN 5>6 AUG-NOV
ORD-LGA 15>16 AUG-NOV
ORD-PSP 0>1 AUG-
ORD-SFO 5>6 AUG-
SJU-ANU 2>1 AUG-
SJU-DOM 2>1 AUG-
SJU-FDF 1>2 JUL-AUG, NOV-
SJU-IAD 1>2/WK AUG-NOV
SJU-PAP 1>3/WK AUG-
SJU-SDQ 7>4 AUG-
SJU-STI 3/WK>0 AUG-NOV
STL-SEA 1>0 AUG-

AM
MIA-MTY 0>1 JUN- It's back again

AS
BOI-SUN 1>0 DEC-
SEA-BLI 5>6 SEP-
SEA-LAX 10>11 AUG-NOV

B6
BDL-FLL 2>3 NOV-
BDL-MCO 2>1 NOV-
BOS-PUJ 0>1/WK OCT (FILLS GAP)
BOS-SRQ 1>0 NOV-
IAD-MCO 1>2 OCT
JFK-BUF 7>8 SEP-OCT

CO
SJU-EWR 3>1 NOV-DEC

DL
LGA-BNA 0>3 SEP-
LGA-STL 0>4 SEP-
JFK-SAT 0>1 SEP-

F9
MKE-BKG 0>3/WK JUL-
DEN-BKG 4/WK>5/WK JUL-

UA
DEN-GEG 2>3 AUG-
DEN-GJT 7>8 AUG-
DEN-GTF 2>3 SEP-
DEN-IAD 8>9 AUG-
DEN-ICT 4>5 AUG-
DEN-LAX 8>10 AUG-NOV
DEN-MCO 4>3 AUG-NOV
DEN-MSO 4>5 AUG-NOV
DEN-MTJ 4>5 AUG-NOV
DEN-ORD 10>11 AUG-NOV
IAD-JAX 4>3 AUG-NOV
IAD-LAS 2>3 AUG-NOV
IAD-LGA 6>5 AUG-NOV
IAD-MSY 3>2 AUG-NOV
IAD-ORD 8>7 AUG-NOV
ORD-BOS 9>10 AUG-
ORD-BWI 6>7 AUG-NOV
ORD-DAY 6>7 AUG-NOV
ORD-LAS 5>7 AUG-NOV
ORD-SFO 9>10 AUG-

US
LGA-CHS 3>2 JUL-SEP
PHL-SDQ 2/WK>0 SEP-OCT

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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22931 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-BRL 2>0 JUL-
ORD-DEC 3>0 JUL-
STL-BRL 2>0 JUL-
STL-DEC 2>0 JUL-
STL-IRK 2>0 JUL-

It's entirely possible I missed this, but are DEC, BRL, and IRK losing air service? IIRC, BRL is an EAS city, DEC has State of Illinois subsidies, and IRK has local subsidies.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
STL-SEA 1>0 AUG-

Did AA load the LAX-DEN change being discussed in the other thread (2>4)?



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7827 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Did AA load the LAX-DEN change being discussed in the other thread (2>4)?

There's no change to report because AA made LAX-DEN four daily a while ago by adding two ERDs that start June 10th. The only change on LAX-DEN in August is the plane type, there's no frequency change.



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Did AA load the LAX-DEN change being discussed in the other thread (2>4)?

Yep; Enilria covers frequency changes in his weekly OAG reports hence the omission of any change of gauge (from mainline to regional or vice versa) where frequency is not affected.

But just to add: ELP-ORD will become all Eagle beginning with the fall schedule change and DFW-CMH and MSY-ORD will become all mainline (no change of frequency for any of the above routes).


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Thanks Enilria.

-Dave



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22931 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
There's no change to report because AA made LAX-DEN four daily a while ago by adding two ERDs that start June 10th. The only change on LAX-DEN in August is the plane type, there's no frequency change.

That makes perfect sense; thanks. I missed the add in June.



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User currently offlineflyusairways From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
It's entirely possible I missed this, but are DEC, BRL, and IRK losing air service? IIRC, BRL is an EAS city, DEC has State of Illinois subsidies, and IRK has local subsidies.

This article from the Herald-Review may have shed some light on this:

Air Choice One polishing rough spots

"By the end of this week, travelers should be able to book flights with Air Choice One through online travel agencies Expedia and Kayak, and other providers, such as Orbitz, shouldn’t be too far behind, Novotny said."

I'm assuming 3E dropped the flights from the schedule temporarily to prepare for this switch-over.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

AM
MIA-MTY 0>1 JUN- It's back again

To note, the first time this was loaded AeroMexico did not have DOT approval. It was received last week. It was loaded as a daily MD87, a plane not even in AM's fleet anymore. It is now loaded as a daily ERJ-145.

[Edited 2010-05-18 23:36:27]


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6
BDL-FLL 2>3 NOV-
BDL-MCO 2>1 NOV-

It seems rather soon (after the announcement) and far out to make changes already, wonder if thats a mistake...



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SJU-ANU 2>1 AUG-
SJU-DOM 2>1 AUG-
SJU-FDF 1>2 JUL-AUG, NOV-
SJU-IAD 1>2/WK AUG-NOV
SJU-PAP 1>3/WK AUG-
SJU-SDQ 7>4 AUG-
SJU-STI 3/WK>0 AUG-NOV

SJU-SDQ from 7 daily to 4 daily!! Anyone knows the reason about this reduction?  Wow!

With these changes, 6-7 daily flights are removed, so unless new flights or destinations are announced soon, that surely means that one aircraft will be transfered from SJU to either MIA or DFW.


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

I keep looking for AA to add MKE - MIA for the fall/winter schedule.  

User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1137 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Is CO cutting back SJU schedules for the low season? Only 1 SJU-EWR and 1 SJU-IAH!!! That's surprising... :O

User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3931 times:
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Quoting MKENut (Reply 10):
I keep looking for AA to add MKE - MIA for the fall/winter schedule.

I know !!! They should change DFW to 4x daily with the S80 and add 2x daily MKE-MIA with the CRJs      


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 9):
SJU-SDQ from 7 daily to 4 daily!! Anyone knows the reason about this reduction? Wow!

With these changes, 6-7 daily flights are removed, so unless new flights or destinations are announced soon, that surely means that one aircraft will be transfered from SJU to either MIA or DFW.

It will all be back by mid-November.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7144 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
It's entirely possible I missed this, but are DEC, BRL, and IRK losing air service? IIRC, BRL is an EAS city, DEC has State of Illinois subsidies, and IRK has local subsidies.
Quoting flyusairways (Reply 6):
I'm assuming 3E dropped the flights from the schedule temporarily to prepare for this switch-over.

It looked odd because they actually added some day-of-week frequency prior to the cut, but it's what they filed. So who knows what they are up to...

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
To note, the first time this was loaded AeroMexico did not have DOT approval. It was received last week. It was loaded as a daily MD87, a plane not even in AM's fleet anymore. It is now loaded as a daily ERJ-145.

Speaking of not knowing what they are up to...so they loaded a schedule without legal approval with an aircraft type not in their fleet? They need to wipe out their scheduling department and hire people some sort of skill.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Did AA load the LAX-DEN change being discussed in the other thread (2>4)?

I believe they did, but I didn't retrieve that data.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
Thanks Enilria.

 
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
It seems rather soon (after the announcement) and far out to make changes already, wonder if thats a mistake...

I doubt it's a mistake because they loaded it in both directions and changed the block times. I agree it's pretty soon. One can only assume the MCO bookings were almost zero compared to FLL.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32737 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
To note, the first time this was loaded AeroMexico did not have DOT approval. It was received last week. It was loaded as a daily MD87, a plane not even in AM's fleet anymore. It is now loaded as a daily ERJ-145.

Speaking of not knowing what they are up to...so they loaded a schedule without legal approval with an aircraft type not in their fleet? They need to wipe out their scheduling department and hire people some sort of skill.

Selling without approval would the bigger problem. Loading schedules doesn't matter. AM never put the flight up for sale.

Even then, airlines can sell tickets subject to government approval. U.S. carriers do it all the time depending on the country. Dominican Republic approves everything, but takes forever, so ticket sales always start before DR approval. Nothing illegal there, as long as the passengers are made aware that it is still subject to approval.

[Edited 2010-05-19 18:33:53]


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
I doubt it's a mistake because they loaded it in both directions and changed the block times. I agree it's pretty soon. One can only assume the MCO bookings were almost zero compared to FLL.

What are the new times?

The original plan had 2 aircraft
1 - BDL-FLL-BDL-MCO-FLL
2 - BDL-MCO-BDL-FLL-BDL

so they cant exactly switch it over because the times would near overlap



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