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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25292 posts, RR: 85
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16514 times:
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I'll start with some good news (hopefully) for all airlines, not just Frontier/Republic.

Over the past few months, speculators have been driving up the price of crude oil again, in the expectation of economic recovery.

Two or three weeks ago, oil hit a high of $87 and it didn't look like it was going to stop. BB said the fuel costs are what keep him awake nights.

Then - bingo - the Greek economy collapsed and everyone is worried that it will drag other countries with it and no one has much faith in the European bail out.

And oil's come a'tumbling down. It hit $77 last week, which the analysts said was a support level, and crashed through that in a day. It hit $70 last Friday, which everyone said was a support level - and for two hours this morning it was.

Then the support evaporated and right now, in Asian trading, oil is at $68.

It may recover, of course, but at least it is a breathing space, time to do al li'l hedging even.

In other news, we've had MKE-BKG announced and, today, the first new route of the winter - MKE-CUN.

I've been waiting for this one. I wanted something "exotic" for MKE and I got it. And if that's it, it'll do just fine.

But it is what I might call "basic exotic" and I wouldn't say no to something "unconventional exotic." LOL.



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2874 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16477 times:

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
the first new route of the winter - MKE-CUN.

I figured we would see this one sooner or later. F9 flew it in the past (when MKE was just a spoke) and now that they have a strong hub at MKE, it makes perfect sense. I imagine that it will be very popular.

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
if that's it, it'll do just fine.

I imagine that the winter will have many exciting additions in store. More p2p flying to Florida and Mexico, perhaps?



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16465 times:

But more importantly did they pick a name for the new badger?  


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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16464 times:

Speaking of Frontier while out and about yesterday I was near MCO Jetport and saw a Frontier Bus on final. Didn't get to see tail animal as it was flying over head. First thought was hey to all my Frontier friends and keep up the great job you are all doing. What a beautiful site to see.

I was out by the airport around 1230 pm to around 350pm.



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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16374 times:

I saw in the last thread that BB is planning on reducing CASM from 7.1 cents to 6.5 cents for branded operations. I fear the easiest path for that will be pay cuts (it usually is for any airline management) but I hope that they find a different way to cut costs.

User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16235 times:

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
It may recover, of course, but at least it is a breathing space, time to do al li'l hedging even.

Li'l hedgin' can help... when you have sufficient cash reserves to do that...
It is a big out-of-pocket expense, and not everyone can afford it.
WN has been doing hedging quite successfully... they could afford it - they sat on a bag full of dough...

Quoting norcal (Reply 4):
I saw in the last thread that BB is planning on reducing CASM from 7.1 cents to 6.5 cents for branded operations. I fear the easiest path for that will be pay cuts (it usually is for any airline management) but I hope that they find a different way to cut costs.

Their costs are already one of the lowest in the industry (labor costs among them).
If they want to trim labor costs further they should probably outsource flight crew jobs to autopilots.
Their problem is revenue. Yields in DEN and MKE are very low, and do not allow them to earn enough to offset even those low costs that they have...

[Edited 2010-05-19 17:43:32 by srbmod]

User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16134 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 4):
I saw in the last thread that BB is planning on reducing CASM from 7.1 cents to 6.5 cents for branded operations. I fear the easiest path for that will be pay cuts (it usually is for any airline management) but I hope that they find a different way to cut costs.

I honestly dont think that is what he has in mind. As I mentioned right at the tail end of the previous thread, the main way that management plans to cut costs is battling through the integration. Their CASM was in fact increased by having both technology platforms and airlines operating. In addition, the final removal of Lynx should also reduce CASM.

Quoting beryllium (Reply 5):
Yields in DEN and MKE are very low, and do not allow them to earn enough to offset even those low costs that they have...

Something BB very frequently notes in his letters. That is why he seems so "cost driven." Simply put, it is pretty damned hard to be revenue driven in DEN and MKE. For the Q1 results, I do remember that branded operations reported a higher CASM (ex-fuel) than Airtran but lower CASM (ex-fuel) than Southwest, and obviously lower than United. Furthermore, RAH can continue to focus on getting people into the higher fare Classic and Classic Plus seats and better yet, selling those stretch seats. Greg Aretakis believes that will lead to around $1 million a month in ancillary revenues, to increase as the integration continues.


Furthermore, one more interesting note in his latest letter, BB did mention that RAH will watch the UA/CO merger very closely, as it has obvious implications for both the Branded and contract flying. As far as contracts are concerned, a change in management at either carrier does not constitute the ability to cancel, and these contracts will survive the merger. The question ultimately is, which scope survives. If it is United, then RAH is one of the better positioned carriers to take advantage. As far as the Branded ops go, BB believes the DEN hub will be defended less with the advent of the IAH hub within the combined carrier.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16105 times:

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
the first new route of the winter - MKE-CUN.

You mean Spring, I am sure.... It is no longer winter up here.  
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 2):
But more importantly did they pick a name for the new badger?

The name won't be selected until July according to www.frontiermidwest.com



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25292 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16087 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
You mean Spring, I am sure.... It is no longer winter up here.  

Um - the first new route of the winter schedule.  
Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 6):
As I mentioned right at the tail end of the previous thread, the main way that management plans to cut costs is battling through the integration.

The ol' "harvesting synergies" that everyone complains about. LOL.

If there are ERJ's included in the number - and I assume there are - I am startled that the CASM is as low as that.

I've also heard rumors that the ERJ's will get Frontier livery, but I haven't heard of that happening yet.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
The name won't be selected until July according to www.frontiermidwest.com

Voting closes on May 24. So we should know the final three next week. It's like "American Idol."  

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User currently offlineMostlyAir From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16069 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 2):
But more importantly did they pick a name for the new badger?

All submissions must be received by May 24. We'll pare down the suggested names to three and then ask you to vote for your favorite from May 28 through July 4. The winner will be announced July 5, 2010.

http://www.frontiermidwest.com/weare1/funstuff/name-the-badger.aspx

I'm currently working on coding the voting page right now w/o names.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16012 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 8):
Voting closes on May 24. So we should know the final three next week. It's like "American Idol."

Just going by what the website said.....

Quoting MostlyAir (Reply 9):
The winner will be announced July 5, 2010.

  

I still don't agree that the voting should be limited to Wisconsin Residents only.   



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25292 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15984 times:
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Quoting beryllium (Reply 5):
WN has been doing hedging quite successfully... they could afford it - they sat on a bag full of dough...

Very successfully. They also got caught with their pants down when oil dropped so dramatically from $147.

http://blogs.bnet.com/secdocuments/?p=118

BNET: "Although average passenger revenue yield per mile increased 16.5% year-on-year to $14.70, Southwest Airlines announced its first quarterly loss in 17 years (of $120 million) — not because of negative operating income — but due to unrealized losses associated with the required mark down in the value of some derivative energy hedges (used to protect the airline against rising jet fuel costs)."

Which is why I said that the drop in the oil price would "hopefully" help airlines. To put it very, very simply, some are hedged at $74.

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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15926 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 8):
If there are ERJ's included in the number - and I assume there are - I am startled that the CASM is as low as that.

I've also heard rumors that the ERJ's will get Frontier livery, but I haven't heard of that happening yet.

Exactly right, it is impressive. Last I have seen is that the ERJs will indeed get the Frontier livery, along with the E-Jets.



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User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15860 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
Very successfully. They also got caught with their pants down when oil dropped so dramatically from $147.

Everybody was caught with pants down when that happened. The general thought was that it would go to $200, and everybody were hedging like crazy... A few months later the oil was at around $40... with hedges at $150... The world we live in is so exciting...  
Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
Which is why I said that the drop in the oil price would "hopefully" help airlines. To put it very, very simply, some are hedged at $74.

Those who are hedged at $74 (what % though) will probably be in good shape... if the oil does not drop to $40 again.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25292 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15811 times:
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Cranky Flier has Part 2 of his i/v with BB:

http://crankyflier.com/2010/05/19/re...he-hubs-and-more-across-the-aisle/

There's some real juicy stuff in there. I'll let you blokes discover it for yourselves. I'm sure some will hurtle to the negative. LOL.

Especially, there are some interesting things about the lessons they learned (about pricing) in the first two months of the year and what happened in March.

And also happened, he says, in April. And may happen in May:

"We’ve absorbed all those lessons and we’ve hit the cover off the ball in March. We’ve hit the cover off the ball in April. Advance booking numbers into the summer are off the charts. "

It isn't all peaches and cream - BB explains what he thinks they still have to do, and why.

Cranky says there is to be a Part 3.

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15792 times:

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
Over the past few months, speculators have been driving up the price of crude oil again, in the expectation of economic recovery.

We really don't know if its "speculators"....it might be, but it might not be...


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25292 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15764 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
We really don't know if its "speculators"....it might be, but it might not be...

That ol' debate? It sure ain't supply and demand.

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User currently offlinedfanucci From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15713 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
I'm sure some will hurtle to the negative. LOL.

Sure didn't take long, did it?  

There was some fantastic scraps in part two. It depends on who's reading it on what they make out of it. As a longtime F9 fan and a regular paying customer I love what he is saying.

"We’re less interested today in what the competition is doing. We’re really just into what we’re doing."

That simple sentence alone talks volumes. Let the scared (competition) run scared....

It brings such a smile to my wallet when I hear the man in charge talking about giving the customer choices.  

-D

[Edited 2010-05-19 12:46:49]

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15642 times:

I think it's quite possible for BB to have both a basic understanding of running a branded airline as well as a learning curve with a specific airline(s). Were another CEO to jump ship from, say, UA or AA, they would have a strong understanding of running a branded airline, but they woudl still need to "learn as they go" with Frontier/Midwest. Heck, they might have already botched it.

If it were so simple, then everyone would be making money. The fact is that sometimes it's trial and error. Unless you don't try, of course.

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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15343 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 51):
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 39):
That does not mean he is speaking of the A319 or the E190 at all. Not at all..... Yes, he makes a reference of the aircraft type, but anything after that, he is speaking IN GENERAL. In General. Again, in general.

Let me know when those 100 seat ERJs, E-170s, E-175s, A318s, A319s, and A320s start showing up then.....

FWIW, when I read the CF interview, I took it this way:

1. Aircraft in the 100 seat range (like the 190) are too much aircraft for some of the routes.
2. And if you think that's too big, poor WN and their 137 seaters must really be hurting. Chuckle chuckle.

We often hear about this carrier or that carrier needing "a 100-seater", but I think it's defined loosely enough that BB needn't worry about semantics with the IBT.

-Dave



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User currently onlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1307 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15337 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 55):
1. Aircraft in the 100 seat range (like the 190) are too much aircraft for some of the routes.

I took it this way too. I took it as an average, not that the E190 holds 100 passengers (sorry IBT) but it's easier to say 100 when you are trying to make a point to the media.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15274 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 55):
1. Aircraft in the 100 seat range (like the 190) are too much aircraft for some of the routes.
2. And if you think that's too big, poor WN and their 137 seaters must really be hurting. Chuckle chuckle.

That is a different way of looking at it, I agree.

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 56):
but it's easier to say 100 when you are trying to make a point to the media.

  



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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15169 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 55):
2. And if you think that's too big, poor WN and their 137 seaters must really be hurting. Chuckle chuckle.

Too bad he is talking about MKE and not DEN. He is also discussing his Airbus and E-Jet aircraft, not the competition and certainly not WN who isn't the main competitor in MKE.

"The only difference will be LiveTV on the Airbus and wifi on the E-jet. There’s a lot of value in the Ejet, but what it really does is that in a place like Milwaukee, 100 seaters are just too many seats for some of these long, thin markets and 137 seats is WAY too much."

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 56):
I took it this way too. I took it as an average, not that the E190 holds 100 passengers (sorry IBT) but it's easier to say 100 when you are trying to make a point to the media.

So saying "one hundred and thirty-seven seat" aircraft is easy?

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 55):

We often hear about this carrier or that carrier needing "a 100-seater", but I think it's defined loosely enough that BB needn't worry about semantics with the IBT.

That you are probably right about, BB will fight tooth and nail for a concessionary pilot contract. I won't be surprised at all to see a Spirit Airlines type offer.


Anyways, carry on I've got an international trip to do.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25292 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 15020 times:
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Quoting beryllium (Reply 67):
So, you are saying that the agreement between BKG and F9 is such that BKG pays revenue guarantees only if the route is not profitable for F9? If it is profitable for F9 without the guarantees - BKG pays zero?
Well... this is not true.

The revenue guarantees only guarantee revenue. If the revenue expectations are met, no guarantees are paid.

But don't take my word for it. As you have been told, BB has flat out said - publicly - that they are not using the revenue guarantees.

He has also talked - publicly - about the profitability of the route - as in "very."

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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 14513 times:

I haven't heard how summer bookings for F9 are going (or any other carrier for that matter).
Doesn't seem to be as much chatter, but I'm guessing from fares and random seat checks, that the summer should hold good things for F9.


25 PlanesNTrains : I believe that BB said that the summer was looking really good (or something to that effect) in the CF interview. -Dave
26 mariner : Um - try post #14 - the interview with BB: mariner
27 Post contains links sunking737 : Has anyone seen this its from REJET web site good information... http://www.rjet.com/pdf/RAFactsheet.pdf
28 kingcavalier : Yep, Mariner posted the link in Reply # 14. This is what BB had to say - Off the charts sounds pretty darn good.
29 FRNT787 : It is. In addition, there is a comprehensive fact sheet for the Branded business on frontiermidwest.com
30 Post contains images Airport : Wow. It appears over a 100 posts have been chopped right off this thread. Thank you moderators! EDIT: Change of question.. Does anyone know what's goi
31 mariner : It isn't stupid and I don't remember it being asked. I don't know if I can answer it because I don't know enough about MKE. Obviously, it is a huge d
32 moderators : Correct - this thread has caused more maintenance than we would normally allow. There are 3 main problems: Users are writing to the Moderators compla
33 YXwatcherMKE : As to the question of a large enough Puerto Rican population in MKE to support service to SJU, the answer would be YES! We have a very large and grow
34 FRNT787 : Indeed. My inbox was packed this morning. I believe it was deleted, but again, I do want to apologize to all for my contribution to the degradation o
35 Post contains images LoneStarMike : Regarding SAT, I'm wondering if a better idea might be to connect SAT with MKE via a stop (either direct or via a connection) through MCI. SAT-MKE ha
36 beryllium : Shurz and his team have certainly looked at that. But, if you've noticed, they would rather prefer to go to uncontested places, like BKG. SJU will no
37 Jacobin777 : Its not an "old" debate..its relevant even as of 20 May, 2010....while part of the run-up in 2008 might be subject to external market distortions (i.
38 mariner : It is an old debate as to whether it is speculators are responsible for the irrational run-up's in the price. I've been having that debate for some t
39 mariner : I know people at the Executive level, and I am not getting that information. mariner
40 FRNT787 : I would agree with this. I think the best plan is to extend some of the MKE-MCI service to MKE-MCI-SAT. Probably using an E170. Anyone I have ever ta
41 sldispatcher : In the area of pure speculation: I see another thread where SJU is looking for WN to establish a hub. Now I'm just saying, if WN either doesn't have t
42 AirframeAS : It would be nice to see F9 presence in SJU, I have always wanted to see that. The question is where the flight to SJU come from. I don't know if DEN
43 mariner : I don't think it is going to happen. It is too far from DEN, and there are - as I suggested - question marks over it's viability from MKE. I think th
44 AirframeAS : True, but it is wishful thinking. The question is, is there even a customer base where we can justify the flight to SJU (1x daily or 3x weekly) regar
45 sldispatcher : I was actually thinking more along the lines of the whole "hub" thing. Connect dots from the East Coast to there and into Carib. and Central America.
46 mariner : Nothing wrong with that. As I said, my own view is that MKE-SJU could probably - possibly - support 1 or 2 x weekly, but I don;'t think it wold be a
47 sldispatcher : So there are obviously many markets that F9 can go into. Many of those have been explored and talked about. What is the general thought/wisdom on smal
48 Post contains images Airport : I think the most logical answer would be MKE, as the 319s can comfortably do it, and there is a proven successful market from MKE-Caribbean (though i
49 Post contains links FRNT787 : http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...endants-join-afa-cwa-94511339.html After several attempts to unionize the flight attendants at Frontier, due to
50 sldispatcher : Good luck to both sides as this usually creates a destructive path sooner or later. Not against the union, against the way most union bosses DO NOT h
51 sunking737 : Any service to the Caribbean would be great. SY flies N/S from MSP to SJU in the winter. Why? CRUISE traffic!! If you put the A320 on the Caribbean ro
52 Post contains images mariner : Sun Country seems to be able to make MSP-SXM work seasonally. The beauty of the MKE hub is that it makes virtually all the eastern Caribbean availabl
53 FRNT787 : Exactly right. Republic are going to be hard negotiators, I have no doubt. Depending on how the suit the ATA files gets on, we will hopefully see som
54 n7371f : Was always glad to see the union vote turned down at Frontier regarding the flight attendants. But despite the new NMB rules, it's a whole new world f
55 AirframeAS : From what I have been hearing from our FA's, AFA will now represent the F9 FA's.
56 beryllium : SJU will shell out zero dollars and zero cents. It's the destiny of such airports as BKG to shell out revenue guarantees - they have trouble attracti
57 Post contains images Jacobin777 : The "economic leverage unwind" has taken a lot of "bite" out of the nascent global recovery. A lot of risk deleveraging in many investments have star
58 Post contains images mariner : Then we see the degree of speculation differently. I'm not suggesting you don't. mariner
59 Post contains links knope2001 : GRB started 4/19, and for those first two weeks of service (the last two weeks of April) Green Bay enplanements averaged a 72.2% load factor. A recen
60 mariner : It was my understanding it was more than just that one day. Similarly, MCI-CMH, which was not good for the first couple of weeks, but has improved no
61 knope2001 : LOL...I've heard similar, that it's not just this partticular day, even though that particular day was (by conincidence) exactly 80%. I wonder how ma
62 mariner : I had not seen that article before you posted it and I'm intrigued that the airport guy is still hoping for "more than seasonal" on the route. Is tha
63 MASTYC : Actually the vote was just over 50% for just the AFA, if you add in the IBT votes then you come up with 78% in favor of union representation. The new
64 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : Nothing wrong with that...however here is something of interest to read/view: http://www.eia.doe.gov/conference/2009/session3/Sweetnam.pdf Page 8 giv
65 knope2001 : I think it's certainly plausible for Green Bay to sustain a Denver flight year round. It could be daily at least during peak months and perhaps year
66 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Part 3 of Brett Snyder's interview with Bryan Bedfors at crankyflier.com: Republic CEO Bryan Bedford on Religion and the Business (Across the Aisle) I
67 sldispatcher : I don't care what anyone else says, you have to respect BB for being forthright, honest, and knows his business. And he doesn't come across as being
68 sunking737 : I like what I've read. He seems willing to work with the unions. I wish F9 had bigger ops here in MCO I would apply.
69 bjorn14 : I was just cruising over at Routesonline and found this little tidbit about F9: Given our fleet we are interested in bids between Anchorage and San Jo
70 adamblang : ANC-DEN is 2405nm, DEN-SJO is 2411n. They're not looking to start ANC-SJO service. Frontier is saying that if you run an airport and the airport is s
71 beryllium : ANCSJO non-stop?... Wow! I wonder if there is enough demand on this route to justify non-stop operation (assuming it is technically possible at all f
72 mariner : As Adamblang says, they NOT looking to start ANC-SJO. The airraft could not fly the route,. 2500 miles is the effective commercial range of the A319,
73 sunking737 : Frontier needs to add flights here in MCO to get back at Airtran. I would be such a flag waver for them.
74 Post contains images AirframeAS : Part 3 was the best part of the article that Cranky has written, I enjoyed that very much. More respect to BB from me. The labor issues and the SLI m
75 mariner : Yes, thanks, I've seen graphs like that before. We're some way off topic, but whatever the reality of the world's oil reserves, I don't believe they
76 beryllium : So, basically they are asking the airports (within that range) to step up with proposals that should include offers of incentives/revenue guarantees.
77 mariner : That is not what they're looking for. mariner
78 sldispatcher : From a businessman's perspective, it indicates that they realize they have a product that many communities are now willing to pay for the service/sub
79 mariner : I think this may need a little clarification. The original piece in Routesonline has cropped up there from time to time - from well before the presen
80 beryllium : It sure is... All they have to do now is to find the community(-ies) that would see it as a "win-win situation", too. Of course, the more needy the a
81 mariner : That is not so. mariner
82 adamblang : I would imagine the Routesonline talk is Frontier casting their net wide. You can go knocking on airport manager doors all day every day but there'll
83 sldispatcher : I agree Adam. If they keep an open mind about any expansion processes/programs, they should continue to do well (with BKG being a good example) in new
84 bjorn14 : Thanks for the clarifications. I am wondering why they didn't say they have E170/190s too? They would be easier to fill at the marginal airports (i.e.
85 beryllium : My guess would be that they were talking about F9-branded flying only. Those E170/190s are Republic's, ShutAm's, and Chautauqua's aircraft, which are
86 sunking737 : But those aircraft are being painted in F9 colors. Check the data base. Some 190 are coming from USAirways.
87 mariner : Those aircraft have been assigned to the branded operation. mariner
88 adamblang : Probably just easier to list the longest range aircraft. They're not going to say they can fly any farther than that and it's easier than saying "we'
89 mariner : There is still an area of great confusion here, largely caused, it seems, by that Routesonline piece. That piece was originally posted by the previou
90 Post contains images adamblang : Sorry, I missed that bit. I have to imagine the deal making behind starting a new route involves a bit more sophistication than an A.net forum.
91 Post contains images mariner : LOL. That's the best laugh I've had this morning. It may be the only laugh I;ve had this morning. The short answer is yes. All airlines are besieged
92 Post contains images SANFan : I can just picture the Manager of Route Development at SAN coming in every morning and, before anything else, typing in Routesonline (or similar ones
93 Post contains images mariner : LOL again. What's really missing is what a lot of the other airlines have put on that website. There are some lulu's. It isn't designed for airport/a
94 beryllium : If F9 is not targeting airports and airport managers with this info, what's the purpose of placing it there at all, then? Whose attention they are tr
95 mariner : I see a point. I see a point to all the airlines - or a great number of them - doing it. mariner
96 MKENut : Where's Airbusaddict to write Frontier to tell them to try Sioux Falls, SD - MKE? LOL
97 FRNT787 : Articles I have read have said it was carried out with the new rules. I don't know, you seem to have better knowledge, so I defer to you then. What I
98 Buddys747 : With so many posts, I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but I got an e-mail last night saying FL's A+ rewards with F9 is done effective July 16th. I gue
99 AirframeAS : F9 was the one that ended the agreement. It was also in this thread earlier before 100+ posts were deleted.
100 FL787 : YX is ending their FF partnership with KL on the same day their DL relationship ends. I would guess it's because KL transatlantic flights are basicall
101 Post contains links MSYtristar : Better late than never. Here's a link to 20+ pics of the F9 MSY inaugural flight taken by MSY airport staff. The bald headed fellow seen in a few of t
102 azstar : Not the best way to introduce your relatively unknown brand.. sending an unpainted generic Republic aircraft for an inaugural.
103 aa777lvr : Agreed. For the MSN inaugural they at least sent "Badger One". Does anyone know if an E170 has been repainted in F9 livery? I believe the only ones I
104 Flashmeister : No kidding. Anyone know the story with this? I'm thinking that it had to be some sort of last-minute substitution due to MX or something like that. O
105 Post contains images JBo : I had almost forgotten about him! He's probably working on it as we speak . I don't think any E170s have been painted yet or we'd have heard about it
106 mariner : I haven't posted on this because I try to avoid pilot issues, but this has been running through my mind: "If merging the senoirity list is creating t
107 Post contains images AirframeAS : I am still praying for an AS partnership. Now, that's embarrassing.... Nobody at F9 that I have spoken to knows the repaint schedule. AFAIK, there is
108 norcal : It really isn't simple at all. The problem with two seniority lists is that it gives management an enormous negotiating advantage over the pilots. Ju
109 mariner : But I thought that was already known. He says, in the interview, that Frontier will be the Airbus operator and the C Series operator. mariner
110 AirframeAS : BB wouldn't do that. I would suggest you read the last part of the Cranky interview. It's in there.
111 norcal : I'm sure it'll say Frontier on the side of the aircraft but who knows what pilot list will operate the aircraft. Midwest has been operating for quite
112 mariner : Call me dumb, but he says it in black and white. "We’re not merging Frontier into Republic. Yeah, we own it, but it’s the Airbus operator. It’s
113 norcal : You're not dumb, you just haven't read the RAH pilot's contract. From the RAH pilot's scope section: "This Agreement covers the company, any subsidia
114 mariner : Actually, I have. That's why I said: If they want to stick with that clause, then the single list integration will proceed. - which I believe is the
115 loggat : Well, there is an SLI going on, and it will come to a conclusion at some point, and there is no way that we won't be one list. As norcal said, giving
116 mariner : I think it is simple. If it gets too difficult he sells off 51% of Frontier. He's the one who raises the US Airways issue in the interview and I'm su
117 n7371f : N207FR is at Live TV in Orlando. Taxiing in today I saw it with the satellite dome installed.
118 Post contains links and images mariner : Here's an odd one for you - perhaps Lynx to be reborn as "Fly Smart" - with new owners, of course: http://www.wyomingbusinessreport.com/article.asp?id
119 point2point : Interesting idea! Fly the Q's around Wyoming and the Rockies destinations around DEN that will make it economically feasible, and if the fares aren't
120 point2point : Okay, I like this idea, and now I want to do the route planning. I think Republic will want a non-compete clause, so here goes... Already in the work
121 Post contains images AirframeAS : When it comes to company issues and/or labor issues, these are the very last people I even talk to. No disrespect to the pilots, BTW. So? I don't see
122 PlanesNTrains : To be fair, it probably is a bigger deal to the pilots than it is to you. Hypothetically, if I were a mechanic who worked on the engines, and the bos
123 sunking737 : Another "new" airline that's is always good to see. Lets see what happens.
124 JA : BTW, regarding oil. Oil iprices are not just a function of speculation. They also reflect exchange rates and projected future oil demand. Gradual move
125 Post contains links and images mariner : Agreed on the first part. Many have used oil as a safe haven as against fluctuating currencies, in the same way they use gold. Equally, the structure
126 Post contains images norcal : Hell will freeze over before that happens. Scope is the most important thing in your contract period. More important than pay, more important than ti
127 norcal : So when discussing pilot vs. management issues you avoid getting one side of the story? It is a big deal for the pilots because it shows why they can
128 Post contains images AirframeAS : I avoid having to hear children bickering..... it is a good thing I'm deaf. I only worry about myself instead of worrying about what others are doing
129 mariner : I've seen hell freeze over more than once in my life. It's going to happen eventually, whatever the pilots do now. Eventually, a deal of Frontier wil
130 mariner : Not to steal one of your good route ideas, but I very much hope that Frontier itself is looking at SGU when the new airport opens. The fleet choices
131 Post contains images AirframeAS : When is it slated to open? I didn't know that the TSA had their own airline. If that happened, it would be the scariest airline to fly with.
132 mariner : Next year? Given the rate of growth of the city, it is possible it could support daily service to DEN - on a smaller aircraft, the E170, say. It's ev
133 Post contains images sunking737 : TSA Trans States Airline? I don't a TSA run by the Feds would even get off the ground or even off the gate.
134 Antoniemey : And that is an entirely different situation than who's going to be flying planes for companies under the same corporate umbrella. It's not a big deal
135 Post contains images mariner : At one stage of the game, it was suggested that Republic might bring in "other investors" at the time of the auction, depending on the lie of the lan
136 point2point : Steal away to your heart's content. Okay, F9 can get SGU, there are plenty of others. I like this idea of a Q400 airline in to model of Porter - at D
137 Post contains images mariner : Yes, Republic paid nearly $110 million for Frontier. But about five minutes after the auction closed, Frontier wrote a check to Republic for $40 mill
138 AirframeAS : But keep in mind that IWA is at the very edge of the PHX Metro area.... anything beyond IWA is just desert....not much else. And IWA is about 30-40 m
139 point2point : Okay, so if Republic can get anywhere near the $40M that it's asking for its 5 Q400 aircraft Lynx division, not bad at all.
140 sunking737 : G4 seems to be doing well at IWA.
141 Antoniemey : And IF Lynx actually is sold for ~$40 mil... that brings the total amount that gaining ownership of Frontier cost RAH to $26 million. Talk about a st
142 Post contains images mariner : It get better. LOL. When Frontier went into bk and cancelled the E170 contract, Republic instituted a claim for $260 million. This, in itself was fun
143 point2point : Any more deals like that out there? I want to get paid $80M to buy an airline.....
144 Post contains images beryllium : If it were that simple - to pay $110 and then to sell a small portion of it (5 planes) for $40 - I would expect a lot more bidders for F9 back then i
145 mariner : Put it this way - I'd rather have BB on my financial team than on the other guys financial team. There were others interested - but they backed away,
146 point2point : Yes, so here's another way of looking at it. He could sell off Lynx to the Wyoming investors, and say - okay, you're on your own here. And I would de
147 mariner : I suspect it already is. If they're looking to raise a total of $40 million in venture capital, I doubt they'd blow all that on the purchase of Lynx
148 point2point : You're probably right on this. The $40M will not be used entirely for the purchase of Lynx, as they will have other stuff to do that costs as well to
149 Post contains images beryllium : Financial obligations sometimes have a weird tendency to be erased in BK... At least partially... And even with those obligations, if it is possible
150 norcal : As long as he owns F9 the SLI will happen, period. There is no way around it, the RAH pilots want it and there is a legal obligation for it to happen
151 JBo : Well, that and all the YX property ... the hangars and buildings in MKE, Ground equipment, And all the leases/rents/gate space/slots at all the airpo
152 knope2001 : The entire 717 fleet was always leased -- even if they would have kept them in service with legacy YX crews, there were no aircraft to buy. Last I ch
153 mariner : One mo' time - the $150 million claim was recorded as new debt in the Frontier books in March 2009 - approved by the bk judge. It's easy enough to ch
154 mariner : Why? Why should he play his cards according to your schedule? mariner
155 beryllium : Good and valid points. Thank you.
156 Post contains images mariner : And all for $6 million in cash. mariner
157 bjorn14 : Except for Jackson Hole, Wyoming is a virtual airline wasteland. No airport (ex. JAC) exceeds 100,000 PAX. Nobody flies anything bigger than a E45 or
158 MKENut : I also believe Republic agreed to assume a sizable debt that Midwest racked up.... That has to be included in the purchase price.
159 norcal : I'm just saying he should make up his mind about F9 before the SLI is completed. Selling it after SLI complicates things.
160 mariner : Sure, but not as cash. The debt has a continuing life - as we see from what is being written off - and can be used for (eventual) tax benefits. There
161 mariner : Whatever the result of the SLI, he will work with it. But eventually, before or after the SLI, some part of Frontier will be spun off, either to othe
162 mcg : Why is the one seniority list matter subject to debate?; as I understand it the RAH pilot contract simply says that all pilots who work for RAH and a
163 mariner : That's my view. It's up to pilots. mariner
164 point2point : True, Wyoming is a vast land with few people, and there's probably more people living in some of the bigger buildings in Denver than there are in som
165 Antoniemey : Only to Republic Airways Holdings.
166 beryllium : ZK also has exactly the right equipment type (in terms of capacity) for the majority of those routes (especially in Wyoming) - B1900. Q400 would be j
167 AirframeAS : I disagree with you but it is your opinion, however.... the Cranky Flyer interview told me something else. He intends to keep the 121 certificates se
168 JBo : RAH was able to acquire and integrate Shuttle America into the same seniority list while keeping the certificates separate for the sake of scope clau
169 norcal : You clearly do not understand how this all works, you need to read and understand the RAH pilot contract. The following airlines are all one pilot li
170 loggat : It's not an opinion, it's fact. A seniority list is not tied to a certificate. At one point we were looking at having 7 certificates with one list. C
171 AirframeAS : Soooo, let me ask.... If this SLI does really actually does happen, does that mean that a F9 pilot could get bumped down to flying E190's and a RW pil
172 mariner : The majority of Great Lakes flying doesn't involve Wyoming, though. I don't know if this can ever get off the ground. $40 million is a fair amount of
173 norcal : Yes that is absolutely correct, but the RAH pilot group is very junior so I doubt there will be many F9 pilots being displaced from the Airbus to som
174 airportguy1971 : Everyone is quick to quote what is in the RAH Contract. When they bought F9 were the pilots covered by a collective barganing agreement? Did that get
175 AirframeAS : Correct.... That is under the Alleghany-Mohawk Act. If that is the case, then that is pretty screwed up. I always thought that there would be a fence
176 loggat : Actually, that is absolutely NOT correct. The Allegheny-Mohawk guidelines have something called a "no bump, no flush" section to it that says that ev
177 norcal : Why? Two lists are far worse than integration headaches. Yes there will be short term pain and some people will be upset but long term a single list
178 sunking737 : Norcal & Loggat, Thanks for enlightening those of us who had no idea what is involved in pilots union issues. #1 is and always will be job protect
179 JBo : Loggat, the difference between the US/HP and DL/NW cases and F9/RAH is that F9 is remaining on a separate operating certificate. Therefore the senior
180 AirframeAS : Like I said before: It would suck if a pilot from F9 had to be bumped to a RW aircraft. That isn't fair. The pilots didn't ask for this. That is the
181 norcal : Like I said above there will be a fence placed around the Airbus so that they won't be displaced immediately. That won't last forever though. Life is
182 Post contains links mariner : This means jack to the traveling public, I imagine, but I'm happy to see that the Frontier animals have won an Effie Award in the Sustained Success ca
183 Post contains links mariner : For my money, Cranky Flier is one of the best airline writers out there. Following his three part interview with BB, her now has an article on the C S
184 loggat : I agree there will probably be some sort of fence, but it is in the interest of management to have the fence last a long time, and in the interest of
185 timboflier215 : According to the Cranky Flier article, RAH have said that the CSeries are not for replacement (there will be no retirements). To me, 40+40 seems like
186 Post contains links knope2001 : Flightglobal reports Bedford as saying the C-series can be for pure expansion or to remain neutral by replacing the Airbus 319's "Bedford says the sin
187 timboflier215 : Thanks for the article link - very interesting! I guess with 5 years before deliveries start, F9 have plenty of time to make any decisions. It was al
188 mariner : The rumor I heard - form a reasonably good source - was that Lynx name would be revived and that the ERJ's would become Frontier Lynx - as in "links.
189 UAL747DEN : I guess it wouldn't be the first time the Lynx operation had ERJ's would it! Remember when Lynx was getting up and running ExpressJet was running the
190 Post contains images mariner : But I wonder how many people get the Lynx - links connection? And does it matter, except to those who do? mariner
191 UAL747DEN : For some crazy reason I cant remember what the Frontier "regional" service used to be called? Was it Jet Express? Jet Connect? Something like that, r
192 mariner : Frontier Jet Express - originally operated by Mesa, which poor service killed at least two routes, DEN-OAK and DEN-STL. Happily, United accepted Mesa
193 timboflier215 : Interesting. At least it's more imaginative than Frontier Express! Did your source give you any indication of how many, or when they would be moved o
194 FL787 : I like that idea a lot but I think they should make it Frontier Jet Lynx to avoid any potential association with props which some pax avoid. It also
195 UAL747DEN : You know I flew the Mesa operated flights several times and I didn't think that the service was all that bad. Of course given the Mesa reputation I c
196 Post contains images AirframeAS : I suggested that awhile ago - on another thread. "Why not just call it JetLynx?" is what I said. It makes perfect sense. Yet, no one commented on my
197 Post contains images mariner : That's if they do it. Thew source is pretty reliable, but it is a rumor and I don't know if it is carved in granite that it will happen. It wasn't th
198 knope2001 : Interesting idea to use links / lynx for the ERJ/ER3 operation. The only thing which dampens that a little bit is that this service is (and at least f
199 Post contains links and images mariner : Personally, I'd probably just call it all Frontier, but I am very, very old-fashioned. I understand Lynx means zilch in Milwaukee, but I'm not sure h
200 nwaesc : Word is that the MSN flight will be going to an A319 come July. Can anyone else confirm/deny that? A cursory search of the Frontier website still sho
201 JBo : If we're talking about reviving old names for branding the new regional operation, how about "Frontier Skyway"? The Skyway name still has a strong me
202 n7371f : WorldSpan and Sabre show it as a E190 through the summer.
203 Post contains links and images mariner : Anyone looking for clues to future expansion night find a couple of nuggets in here - or brain teasers. Remember it is the Denver Biz Journal, so it i
204 alphascan : I'm sure the writer paraphrased Shurz when he wrote "direct" while actually meaning "nonstop". My pet peeve.
205 Post contains links mariner : Badger name - the three finalists: http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...frontier_airlines_badger_could.php And a trip report from Cranky Flier - LGB
206 Crosscheck007 : I have also heard that there may be some serious retaliation from UA if there is an upgrade in equipment or the addition of a second DEN flight by F9
207 Antoniemey : Oh dear god, let it be ANYTHING but Bella...
208 Post contains images Airport : I feel bad for my roommate... if they name the badger Bella, I will most certainly feel the urge to punch the person closest to me. Cheers! Anthony/A
209 mariner : That seems very passive of United. Clearly, they've been leaving money on the table at MSN - if they want some of it, go for it. Why wait to see what
210 Post contains links Daus : Bucyrus buys Midwest Airlines headquarters Mining equipment-maker Bucyrus International announced Friday that it has purchased the former Midwest Airl
211 Boeing1970 : That has to be rigged. You mean to tell me the people of Wisconsin didn't choose: BUCKY! You know the UW mascot??? The most famous badger in Wisconsi
212 Post contains images Airport : Why are they to blame? What could they possibly gain by choosing those three names, if they were indeed rigged? That seems like a very silly accusati
213 Post contains images Daus : Ummm yeah, the TRADE MARKED Bucky Badger? That was a non-stater from the beginning.
214 knope2001 : Bucky was a very popular submission but it was never a possibility -- they would be sued. Also...to be clear...the three finalists were not necessaril
215 Boeing1970 : So you're buying Bella and Buddy? Really? Clearly not a UW Alum or you'd know: The logo is trademarked, not the name, which is actually Buckingham.[E
216 Post contains images Daus : UW once sued a school for using a W on it's helmet... It doesnt take much for them to bust out the lawyers.
217 Post contains images Airport : You, my friend, severely overestimate the common man. Cheers, Anthony/Airport
218 Boeing1970 : Thats because it copied their logo "W". Same thing happened with the "Bucky Badger" logo and local business. Believe me, I remember all the hoopla ov
219 knope2001 : Other issues with naming the badger Bucky-- (a) Then the character is about UW, not about Frontier Airlines (b) Bucky would almost certainly win in a
220 nwaesc : I believe it, hence why I was asking. I heard this direct from an F9 employee (take that with the usual fistful of salt), and it seemed like more tha
221 MostlyAir : Let me help you out a little bit here. I'm the person that created both pages, voting and submission, and made sure that everything worked. I can tel
222 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : They can take away the ability to officially call him Bucky, but to all of us in the Dairy State he will always be Bucky! Cheers, 007
223 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : If it is who I am thinking it is, you should take that with a truck-full of salt! I think they are waiting to see on whether or not it stays, whether
224 mariner : I'm hearing the same rumor. If it is going to happen I doubt it will be in the schedules before the week-end change-over, and may not for another wee
225 MCI10 : I have to agree on this. When I see a badger, the last name I can think of is Bella. But if thats what the people of Wisconsin want then so be it.
226 sunking737 : How about "Chip" for the Chocolate Chip Cookies............
227 Post contains images AirframeAS : It sure ain't me! How about Postal....for that one badger that snuck his way into a MKE post office? LOL!
228 Post contains links pilotfox : Looks like a E190 came back from getting painted. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RPA9030
229 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : Haha, maybe we should name it "F***ING NUTS" because those things will eat your face off if you look at them the wrong way! There is a reason why UW
230 aa777lvr : I say "here, here". (I personally liked "Becky".) IMO, not a huge fan of any of the choices. -AA777LVR
231 aa777lvr :
232 bjorn14 : Wow. Learn something new everyday from the a.nutters. I did not know that the female version was Becky at UW. Bucky and Becky make such a cute couple
233 alphascan : The University of Wisconsin is insanely protective of it's trademarks. They have threatened high schools for copying the "flying W" on their football
234 Post contains images FRNT787 : I read it the same way. I think this is my biggest problem with unions (not to bash them). Often times, there is a remarkable relationship between un
235 Post contains images YXwatcherMKE : UW has been for many years very protective of the trademarks for the schools in the UW system. Back in the early 70's my high school changed it logo
236 mariner : Ah - I'm a tad confused. I didn't realize there were any more E190's on order from Embraer. Is this a one-off or part of an order that I've missed, d
237 FRNT787 : As far as I know, it is the last US Airways bird. I do not believe they bought any direct from Embraer.
238 Post contains links mariner : Ah - thanks. Then I'm not confused. At the start of the expansion, I believe (?) BB told the staff that "if the summer goes well" there was the possi
239 FRNT787 : I am honestly not sure. If US Air wants to shed more capacity, they have to decide if it will be E190s or 737s. If they select to shed more (even all
240 Post contains links mariner : I don't know where things stand now, but six months ago, US Airways "was considering" selling the further 15 x E190. http://www.flightglobal.com/arti
241 sunking737 : I often track flights on FlightAware, what are the flight numbers of the Republic F9 flights? Example 1100 -1200. All the EMB 170/190 are being flown
242 FRNT787 : That makes two of us. That is the first time I have ever seen anything about a sale/leaseback. It is also the first time I have seen anything about c
243 FRNT787 : I quoted you in the last post, and forgot to answer, and edit is being strange. Anyways, the E135/E145 are operated by Chautauqua. E170/E190 are Repu
244 mariner : Not to make too much of this - or to try and read too much into it - but it seems to suggest that Republic actually bought more than the 10 x E190. T
245 FRNT787 : I thought the same thing as well, but it was not mentioned in the press release, or in their SEC filings that I saw, that is why I did not think that
246 loggat : The 10 E190s that we now own and operate from USAirways were purchased and leased backed to US Airways. The $35 million loan was forgiven (read: purch
247 FRNT787 : Thanks. That clears up the lease back issue. I was wondering what Flight Global had meant.
248 YXwatcherMKE : So Do I understand this correctly, the "Badger" N174HQ was #9 of the 10 A/C coming from US? And this latest A/C is #10 of 10 and is N175HQ? So does a
249 timboflier215 : Is there a list somewhere of which a/c RAH owns, and which it leases? I believe the Airbus a/c are leased? What about the other EMB's? Am I right in a
250 loggat : 174HQ is the badger and is number 9. Number 10 (175HQ) has just been to AMA to be painted this week, but I don't know it's status or tail yet.
251 FRNT787 : Loggat can answer this better than I, but I do not believe any aircraft are leased from the carrier they are operated for. For example, I do not beli
252 knope2001 : It was loaded this morning to the F9 site. DEN-MSN-DEN becomes A318 on 7/1 and returns to E190 on 9/7.
253 FRNT787 : Great to see more evidence of strong performance from the new route additions. I thought the E190 would be enough for the route, but great to be show
254 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : You're move, UA... Cheers, 007
255 beryllium : It's the evidence of summer (when demand has a tendency to be stronger on most routes)... UA has a lot of a much greater magnitude on their table rig
256 MKENut : Interesting to say the least. It shows that the legacy airlines have held small to medium sized cities like MSN and GRB too long in their monopolisti
257 FRNT787 : And your point is???? It is performing well, hence the capacity increase, and the plan to replace the E190 on the route as summer winds to a close.
258 Post contains images mariner : And the up-gauge is for the summer. No one is claiming any more for it than that. mariner
259 mariner : When Southwest first came to DEN, United decided to meet fire with fire. They increased capacity on all the common routes and matched every Southwest
260 FRNT787 : As am I, but Daniel Shurz seems very in tune with routes that have a bit of room for Frontier. If in fact extra capacity does come for the fall, it w
261 Post contains links and images mariner : LOL. You may hate it, but just the possibility of it is getting attention in some unlikely places - like Hollywood: http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2010
262 loggat : 175HQ (the latest 190) has been spotted with a goose on the tail.
263 Post contains images AirframeAS : For the record, we don't have mascots. We have Spokesanimals, but not mascots (A big, BIG difference between the two). If Bella is the chosen name, i
264 n7371f : This was merely so US Airways could continue operating several of the (10) 190's after the transaction closed. That way US didn't suddenly stop flyin
265 Post contains links and images timf : Any idea if it's this one? This goose has not been used since N909FR left the fleet. View Large View MediumPhoto © Carlos Borda
266 Post contains images AirframeAS : 909 was Lucy. I would have loved to see that return on an A320. Speaking of the A320's, any news on the new revised contract (#1) that will become #
267 mariner : No news that I have heard. I would be surprised if Airbus didn't play ball to some extent. The precedent for a lower price was set with the 3 (new) l
268 NZblue : Yes, it is. Lucy is back. I saw her in DEN this morning, working a flight to SAN. Looks sharp on the smaller tail!
269 FRNT787 : I would think both want to work something out. Airbus will want to keep the A320s on the books I would think. Plus, if the A320 fleet grows, it will
270 Post contains links mariner : I guess to some extent, it must depend on the summer traffic and the lessons they learn from it - as in, how useful is the bigger A320 to them? By an
271 knope2001 : For what it's worth, except for DEN itself, just about all the western destinations from Madison have Delta as the largest carrier, not United.
272 FRNT787 : True. I am curious to see what comes of the A320 for Frontier over the next few years. As am I. It seems to be coming together very well. And, as alw
273 AirframeAS : This is exactly what I want to see happen. But I would like to see a fleet of 30-40 A320's. We need them. I can tell you that much.
274 Post contains images beryllium : By the way... (speaking about UA's pre-emptive or reactive responses)... In the next couple of weeks service of S5 (Shuttle America) as United Expres
275 mariner : Hmmm? United already flies DEN-GRR - 2 x daily. Has done for some time. And it wouldn't be the only route where there is overlap - Shuttle America fl
276 AirframeAS : A win-win for RAH all around, it seems.
277 beryllium : This time around, though, it looks like they (UA) are purposely taking S5 aircraft out of IAD and dropping them (at least some of them) in DEN, makin
278 Post contains images AirframeAS : Nah, I don't think so.
279 Post contains images mariner : How so? DEN-GRR is doing very well for Frontier and, I gather, does well for United. Now, if United was going mainline and adding several frequencies
280 FRNT787 : LOL that is a lot to read into that. Perhaps it is simple realigning of the regional fleet for max profitability??? It makes absolutely no difference
281 beryllium : In the next few days, S5 is losing a whole bunch of IAD routes, and those aircraft (at least partially) is redeployed to DEN to compete with F9 servi
282 beryllium : No need to struggle... It's an easy one... Let's go step by step... Here is the scoop... You are totally correct, RAH gets the fee no matter where th
283 AirframeAS : Absolutely. The flying is still there, just not in the same context as it is now. Money is, after all....money. That has not changed the last time I
284 Jetmatt777 : Either way they're competing with United on the route. Who flies the plane doesn't make a difference. United is controlling the cost per seat on that
285 FRNT787 : They are NOT adding new service, they are replacing other service. Yes. Because the planes seat the same number of passengers. If UA is not adding ca
286 beryllium : Sometimes, Frame... it is useful to remember that realistic approach to an issue is better than "bravado with hoorays"... ---------------------------
287 mariner : The "realistic" approach is exactly what Jetmatt777 said in post #284. If United really wanted to hurt Frontier on the route, then they should do it
288 timboflier215 : Surely RAH would prefer one of their subsidiaries to do the flying, as at least they are making some cash out of UA on the route? If UA used OO, F9 wo
289 YXwatcherMKE : I kind of find it funny in an odd way, So many think that the Legacy carriers are going to dump RAH regional airlines because of the "direct competit
290 loggat : This reminds me of the times that I would be flying from RIC-LGA for US Airways in a RP E145. Delays abound, some passengers would pull the old "I'm n
291 FRNT787 : Bryan Bedford said (the interview was posted some posts ago) that they are very flexible. They can either replace the A319s with CS 300 (the C-Series
292 timboflier215 : Yes, I remember reading the interview when it was posted. In the long run, though, I too would expect the C300's to replace the A319's, especially if
293 loggat : Can we start a new thread? This one takes forever to load now.
294 Post contains images mariner : I'd like to see more A320's in the fleet, but I am less ambitious than you - I think 15 would be a good number. Which is what it would be if they tak
295 FRNT787 : A321 would be really fun! They could certainly use a few. Probably around like 5 or so. But I am with you. I want a lot of E175s and E190s to start m
296 Post contains images AirframeAS : Ooooo, I forgot about those. A fleet of 6 or 7 would be nice. Good for the DCA & LGA runs out of DEN. Wished you would stop calling me that. You
297 Post contains images beryllium : It is "pointless" because you are missing the point. You are right, S5 does not care what routes they are given - and it is possible that IAD routes
298 mariner : Which raises the question - I guess - of what happens in September when Lynx goes away. I assume they'll put the E170 on most of the stations - RAP,
299 beryllium : Cost-conscious airline (and F9 claims to be the one) should care about such thing as costs associated with having multiple aircraft types in the flee
300 AirframeAS : The A321 is a part of the A320 family. It is still considered as one type and is under the same STC. I don't see your logic. MOST of the parts you ca
301 mariner : But some Express carriers are. It doesn't matter which. It is the same number of pax. If you see this as "retaliation" then yes. In fact, it is simpl
302 JBo : But when the A318/319/320 share a common type rating as well as the E170/E190, the cost difference really isn't as great. If F9 operated 737s alongsi
303 beryllium : The logic is quite simple: Yes, A321 is a part of the A320 family, and they all (A318/319/320/321) have similarities... but it is still a different m
304 FRNT787 : They have the same number of aircraft families. Exactly. You keep saying Frontier should look at what Jetblue, Southwest and all of the others are do
305 mariner : Thank you. I think that someone else do it, both for reasons I have previously posted, and others. mariner
306 beryllium : Why wouldn't B6 go for it then? Their network is much larger than F9's, and they probably would love to have that flexibility in capacity that the di
307 FRNT787 : For every airline that says this, there is another that disagrees. Frontier and Repblic seem quite happy with their flexibility. I have seen numerous
308 AirframeAS : In a way, yes. However, it is still the same airplane. I ain't doing it, not after the war we just had and 100+ post deletions. Sorry.
309 mariner : I would be enchanted to see them out the A320 on DEN-DRO. LOL. mariner
310 beryllium : The difference is that UA forces RAH to get its S5 aircraft involved on the route where it must compete with itself (with it own F9 service). It is o
311 beryllium : From what I remember, Frontier has been in BK and on the edge of going under... WN and B6 have been not. It's always a good idea to learn from those
312 Post contains links FRNT787 : LOL Ill take over the torch. New Frontier Round #7 (by FRNT787 May 31 2010 in Civil Aviation)
313 beryllium : This is "apples and oranges" (i.e. not a valid comparison). You mention the airlines that are a lot bigger than F9. The bigger you are - the more fle
314 mariner : Frontier competes with United. Neither Skywest nor Shuttle America sells tickets or sets the fares. United does. Neither Skywest not Shuttle America
315 beryllium : Close the thread. The lieutenants have just started #8 (or whatever it is)...
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