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Yoke Vs. Sidestick: Which Is Best?  
User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Only some Airbus aircraft currently have the sidestick controls.....am I correct? .... A330/340/319/320/321.

Any more?

A300 has the traditional yoke, right?

Do you like the yoke or sidestick better?

What are the advantages to each?

Thank You.

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User currently offlineUnited747-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Hi,
I think I would like flying with a yoke better. If I had a joystick, I think it would feel too much like a video game...or a fighter jet! I think the yoke would make me feel like I had more control.

United747-200


User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

That's what I was thinking, too, UNITED.

Yoke all the way!


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

I think that thats what airbus was trying to get. Well I would personaly perfer a stick as F/O and a yoke as captain as I would feel rather uncomforterble flying with my left hand.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

This is like asking:

stick vs. auto (transmission)

Linux vs. NT

PC vs. Apples

vi vs. emacs

or (the ancient) Betamax vs. VHS

The bottom line is you'll never get a concensus.


User currently offlineVH-KCT* From Australia, joined May 2001, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

I would have to agree with all of you, as a student pilot, I find I feel completely in control with a full yoke at my disposal. Using a little joystick, such as in FS2000, The pitch and roll don't seem separate as I feel they should.

Cheers.

Rick.



I am The Stig
User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

I'd rather have the yoke. I don't think that I would feel like I was in much control with a sidestick.

User currently offlineRAAFController From Australia, joined May 2001, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

As someone with some experience with fighters (F/A 18's) and also with a lot of friends in the airline industry, I think you will find that most pilots do not like the joystick option. Oh, and the way the Airbus joystick system works is quite different to that on a fighter. The main problem with the Airbus joystick is that it does not give any feel to the pilot (traditdional yoke systems give feel, ie had manourvers require more pressure etc. also if there is a problem with a control surface it can generally be felt....one gets used to 'feeling' how to fly)

The airbus joystick is also a strange design, in that to bank the aircraft, say to the left, you push the joystick left and release, the aircraft will continure banking until the hoystick is pushed right. it does not automatically right itself when the stick is released as on most airceraft/ computer games.


User currently offlineA32 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 163 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

RAAFcontroller you are incorrect. The Airbus flight controls are a demand load factor and roll rate. The pilot input signals a required roll rate and when the stick is released the aircraft returns to a 0 roll rate. i.e. the bank angle does not increase or decrease anymore. To level the aircraft you signal a roll rate in the opposite direction and when you are at the level attitude you release the stick and voila... no overbanking or underbanking tendencies.

I bet no one here has flown the system. I have flown both and truly believe that each is unique however the stick input ( particularly when combined with the Fly by wire A320 ) is a lot less stressful and smoother. BTW the B777 has FBW and a yoke. This yoke does not give you the feel of the aircraft as many contributors hare claim is better.

From a pilot perspective though meals are much easier to eat with no yoke. Not too many spots on my tie.

best regards


User currently offlineRAAFController From Australia, joined May 2001, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

A32, what you say in your first para is actually what i was saying, without getting into complicated (for this forum anyway) roll rates. I agree with you totally, I was just trying to explain in laymans terms......obviously unsuccessfully.

i have flown the A320 simulator (Ansett Australia...not some dodgy computor game) and compared to other aircraft (all with yokes) that I have flown i have to say that the feel from a yoke is much better. maybe one day, if the RAAF ever gets a B777 (highly unlikely) i will have the opprotunity to try that!


User currently offline757pf From United States of America, joined May 2001, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Gotta be YOKE.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4154 times:
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Having flown (light) aircraft with both a stick and a yoke, it really doesn't make a lot of difference. Within a very short space of time it is possible to fly an aircraft accurately using either control type and transition freely between the two without any problems. I can honestly say I have no personal preference for either - there are just subtle differences in the type and magnitude of inputs you need to make in each

I'm more interested in how the aircraft flies and handles, than whether I'm using the stick or the yoke.

As for the negative comments about the Airbus sidestick and "not wanting to fly with your left hand," all pilots are trained from day one to fly with their left hands - in all aircraft types. It is when you sit in the Right seat for the first time and have to learn to fly with your right hand that things feel unusual... And that applies equally to aircraft with both a stick or a yoke.

The differing philosophies of Airbus/Boeing, and subsequent argument are mainly concerned with the lack of feel provided by FBW Airbus controls, rather than a fundamental flaw with the sidestick as a method of controlling an aircraft...

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

ILOVEA340 You only ever fly with one hand anyway. As an FO you have your right hand on the yoke/stick and left hand on the throttle, and as a captain your left hand in on the yoke/stick and your right hand is on the throttle.

I think you have to fly them both before being able to decide. The side stick gives the advantage of more room, which makes other cockpit duties easier. And according to some of my mates who have flown both it take about 1 hour in the sim, and then the sidestick becomes natural!
Iain


User currently offlineBio15 From Colombia, joined Mar 2001, 1089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

This was discussed on the tech-ops forum. The general response of pilots to that question was stick over yoke. That was because of two things:
1) The stick leaves more room for meals - airbus flight decks have sort of retractable trays in front of the pilot/FO.

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2) The yoke gets in the way with some of the instruments on the front panel and you would have to look from above which is uncomfortable specially during landings. Some said it didn't happen and it depended on who was flying and the seat config.

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Still Boeing must have a reason to still go for the yoke on their aircraft. As A32 stated, the B777 is FBW and in that way it is similar to Airbus's system, so it all goes down to comfortable or not.
About flying with the right or left hand, there's no point on discussing since you'll still fly left hand on Boeings during landing as you control throttle w/right hand.

-bio


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Bio - The yoke does not get in the way of the instruments.
Iain


User currently offlineIFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Personally, I am totally inept left handed. Once when I first started flying, I tried a curcuit around the pattern in the right seat in a Cessna. (Miserable experiment) It's true that one hand is on the control device (yoke) and the other is on the throttle (for takeoff). Once in an A-320 cockpit after a flight I asked the Captain what it was like to fly left-handed. He said it wasn't a problem for him, because he WAS left-handed!

I guess that anything is possible, just ask all the right-handed Airbus pilots out there right now.


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...not for me.


User currently offlineBio15 From Colombia, joined Mar 2001, 1089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

lain, I never said it happened to everyone. And still it does happen

How about reading this post from JETPILOT lain?
"On the 727 the yoke is directly in your line of sight of the HSI. When shooting an approach you need to look around the yoke, or move foward to see over it.

It is definetly obtrusive."

You might be flying a non-obstrusive-yoke plane, but don't generalize

-bio


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