HotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 29332 times:
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2): Damn..this crazy and could be some very bad PR for B6 and pilots...
Or, like many aviation news items it could turn out to be a complete non-story:
Quote: JetBlue says a pilot was removed from duty in Boston for "health-related reasons."
JetBlue spokesman Bryan Baldwin said in a statement that no passengers or aircrafts were ever in danger and dismissed the report about the e-mail threat as "vicious rumor and speculation."
In addition they also released this statement:
"TSA law enforcement personnel in coordination with Massachusetts State Police were called to interview a pilot who indicated that he was unfit for duty. During the interview, the pilot voluntarily agreed to depart the airport and seek appropriate care."
Wait and see what - if any - truth there is to the story.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 6265 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28310 times:
I'm not sure we want to delete this thread just yet...
Note that jetBlue says that the claim is "vicious rumour and speculation". They don't say that the story has utterly no basis in fact. "Speculation"? Odd choice of word. "Rumour"? Isn't that what Boeing said about each round of reports about 787 delays? They were "rumour" until they were confirmed by Boeing as fact.
They say "health-related reasons" and that the guy "voluntarily left the airport to seek care".
Query: (1) Why does the Mass State Police and TSA "law enforcement" people get called for a "health related reason"? If the guy is having a heart attack or asthma attack or some other thing that made him "unfit for duty", why would he need cops to make him "leave voluntarily"? Wouldn't they just call an ambulance? If he diagnosed himself as "unfit for duty", why would the police be involved at all?
(2) Aren't mental health reasons that would cause somebody to be "unfit for duty" "health-related"?
Bottom line: I think we could find out that there is something to this story. Maybe not exactly what was reported, but something. LIke the guy was cracking up in one way or another and the cops had to come to persuade him not to fly. That "nobody was in danger" because, say, the Captain wasn't going to fly with him is nice PR, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't some kind of problem.
In short, if this was just a sniffle, the cops wouldn't have needed to come.
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 27843 times:
While we all agree that this co-pilote needs intense medical care for a while, I also dislike these official clouds of fog put around the story by the airlines. This makes me much more inconfident into the airline than the initial fact itself.
wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1601 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 27521 times:
Pilots are human beings.Like all humans they can have physical and mental problems and when it surfaces they need to get medical help.Pilots are subject to medical checks in every 6 to 12 months and mental checks are also made among other physical exams.
Other than all works pilots have a right to state that they are not mentally ready for the flight,for example if you had a fight with your wife or your child is sick and you worry about it etc anything that would occupy your brain to prevent you concentrate from your flying duties.That doesnt necessarily means that you are gone crazy.I am not sure about this story but it sounds more like a "hearth broken" way of speech rather than a mental illness.
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flyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 27382 times:
Quoting tappan (Reply 5): Vicious rumor. I am sorry I started this thread. Looks like the origins of the story were utterly wrong. Maybe we can make a move to oust this thread from the forum.
Not a rumor...
Somebody with a big mouth within the organization saw the email or was involved somehow. I don't think that all the local news organizations in the BOS area would just make something like this up. And even if the person who made this report was not telling the truth, then they would be guilty of terrorist threats and slander, among other things. Why would someone put themselves in that position? At this point, I'm sure Jetblue will do whatever it takes to squash this as to not create bad press. The company is under no obligation to confirm or deny the allegations until they are proven. So, B6 might just be in denial until the allegations are proven true....OR...maybe until this all blows over!
To the best of my knowledge, this didn't make national news...they are probably just trying to keep it that way.
Max777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 26144 times:
Quoting flyfisher1976 (Reply 11):
Somebody with a big mouth within the organization saw the email or was involved somehow. I
I wouldn't make my bet over this. Most likely, if ever such a mail was sent, I would think the girlfriend receiving it picked up the phone and dialed 911 right while reading. There all of it started, sounds reasonable to me. If that's what happened, that would confirm she shown good sense, as already in leaving him, would add.
Sadly, Qantas Second Officer Matthew Morgan committed suicide while on a stopover in Los Angeles in October 2008.
Read why Derek Minus barrister, come arbitrator, made the wrong WCC decission according to Professor Phillips and the Qantas psychiatrist. "
I made comments about this in this thread. Don't confuse this Brian Griffin bloke with the B6 guy or with Matthew Morgan.
Firstly Whilst Mr Griffin claims to have been mentally ill he continued to fly. He claims to have constant urges to retard the throttles, crash the aircraft, couldn't control his own arm etc; when the reality is that the bloke knew full well that there was an element in self management of aviation medicine. No different to a pilot of any aircraft taking a cold and flu tablet and declaring himself unfit to fly.
Yes Mr Griffin was able to successfully sue Qantas in the NSW Workers Compensation Commission, however Qantas are yet to decide if they are to appeal the decision. The decision by the commission was related to the fact that continuing to work for Qantas exacerbated Mr Griffin's condition. What it doesn't state is that from an aviation medical point of view is that he himself had a responsibility to self manage his case. For all anyone knows the bloke could have been putting it on and managed after twenty years to get some lawyer to swallow his story.
You can read the details of the case in this news clip which is taken from the UK newspaper the Telegraph. I note that this barely hit the news in Australia despite the Australian media's eagerness to print all things Qantas related good or bad (and with Qantas they mainly print the bad stuff). Simply the Aussie media like most of us have had a gut full of this bloke. The constant "I could have crashed a plane" and "I had an urge" wears thin after a while with most of us. He got a few legal eagles to side with him and won $160,000.
As for Matthew Morgan, I happen to know that sadly his condition wasn't anything to do with crashing aircraft into anything, simply he was a very sad young man who took his life rather than seeking help for the problems he was having. I do wonder if Matthew's family agree with being associated with Mr Griffin.
Regardless of what I've said above whatever the B6 guy may or may not have done if he is unwell then I do hope he gains the proper treatment and despite the soon to arrive cries that he should have his licence revoked, I hope he can be rehabilitated and return to the flightdeck.
We all at times get a bit down, some not as bad as others, when girls (or guys for that matter) are involved the emotional rollercoaster can get a bit much for even the best of us. But there is a light at the end of every tunnel and I wish this FO for B6 all the best if he is in fact going through a rough patch.
(Disclaimer: I'm purely expressing an opinion on the above matters. I'm not medically trained nor do I have a legal background or any involvement with Qantas other than as a fare paying passenger. Basically I'm a bloke who thinks Brian Griffin is full of sh!t)
sofianec From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22616 times:
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 14): And for all we know, she was a nut job who made up the whole story. I've had women do crazier things!
Exactly. I had an ex-girlfriend who stole my email password and sent some crazy emails claiming to be me. She was a complete psycho.
If he did write the email he might have been joking. There is such a huuuuuge difference between talking to your bi***y girlfriend and actually crashing a plane you're set to fly. Gross overreaction on part of everyone. I mean seriously - do we have to call police for everything.
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6436 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22404 times:
Big deal... Non event. I wonder if he actually meant it? How many times have any of us said something like:
'I'll kill that guy", "if I was married to her I'd kill her", " I would shoot myself before I'd go out with him", etc.... Did your dad ever say something like this: "if you kids don't shut up I drive this car into a tree" Did he ever do it? no.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9104 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22109 times:
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 6): Why does the Mass State Police and TSA "law enforcement" people get called for a "health related reason"?
If this occurred within BOS grounds, MA State Police is responsible for protecting Logan and its employees/ visitors. Thus in addition to medical personnel they will also respond to a potential suicide call. Most police departments do when it comes to probable suicides. Why the TSA widgets did, I have no clue.
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EDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20604 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9): While we all agree that this co-pilote needs intense medical care for a while, I also dislike these official clouds of fog put around the story by the airlines. This makes me much more inconfident into the airline than the initial fact itself.
I think you will find there will quite possibly be medico-legal issues of confidentiality for the airline to consider.
richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20451 times:
Let me say that this news is somewhat disturbing but there are lots of things that don't make sense in this story.
First of all, this could have been any airline. It happens to be JetBlue - I'm guessing this guy didn't have 'suicidal tendencies' in his background check so blaming the airline for hiring him is only a little more reasonable than saying AA and UA are culpable for 9/11.
Secondly, there is a large step taken between saying you'll do something harmful and actually acting upon it. Lots of people say things to get attention, perhaps the wrong kind, but attention nonetheless. I don't know what this guy's motivation was but it does seem a little odd to say something like this in the hopes of winning back a love interest. Of course, once somebody says something like this, it has to be taken seriously. I wouldn't want to fly with this pilot whether he was joking or not after such a statement.
Finally, my first two points are under the assumption that there is some truth to this. We don't know what was said or written (if anything at all) and we don't know the circumstances under which it was said/written. I will say that it is hard to believe that somebody would write a threat that could effectively end a career and has little chance of achieving the desired result, whatever that might have been.
If there is any truth to this story, I hope this person gets the help he needs.
Quoting Boof (Reply 15): Basically I'm a bloke who thinks Brian Griffin is full of sh!t
I think that you are correct!
Quoting sofianec (Reply 16): If he did write the email he might have been joking. There is such a huuuuuge difference between talking to your bi***y girlfriend and actually crashing a plane you're set to fly. Gross overreaction on part of everyone. I mean seriously - do we have to call police for everything.
Joking or not if the girlfriend got an email that said this man would crash the plane YES she should call the police. It is not normal for someone to "joke" about something like that and if this man did that he should be removed and get some serious treatment.
Quoting falstaff (Reply 17): Big deal... Non event. I wonder if he actually meant it?
I think its a big deal, a pilot threatening to crash a plane is a very big deal. I don't understand why some people think that it matters if he meant it or not, either way he should have been removed just like he was. FL370 is a very bad place to figure out if the pilot meant it or not.
Longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 6063 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17652 times:
I am not saying this is the same circumstance, but I recently was party to a similar incident.
A pilot friend of mine, who flies for an Asian carrier told his flight attendant girlfriend that he was ending the relationship. She became very emotional and irrational.
She started by telling his employer that he threatened to crash an airplane as he was distraught that SHE was ending the relationship. When that didn't fly, she told Customs that he was a drug mule and continually brought in illegal drugs, then she told his employer he was an alcoholic and told her he often drank while flying. Then she would get his schedule, then go to the flight attendant crew room and warn his crew he was an unsafe pilot.
Of course, all the authorities involved have to react as if it were true. But it didn't take long to find the underlying problem, namely her. Eventually she was fired, but still his life was hell for about a year! Scary stuff!
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
BOSTON β Massachusetts State Police say they took a gun off a JetBlue pilot at Logan International Airport after he allegedly told an acquaintance he might harm himself.
The incident occurred Thursday, and the pilot was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital for evaluation. The airline says no passengers were harmed nor was any flight in jeopardy.
State Police spokesman David Procopio says a federal air marshal alerted troopers after the acquaintance relayed the message. Procopio says police confronted the pilot at a crew lounge and he surrendered the weapon.
The pilot was not charged with illegal possession of a firearm, suggesting he was a member of the Federal Flight Deck Officer program. The post-9/11 program screens, trains, arms and deputizes pilots as a last line of aircraft security.
The Transportation Security Administration is investigating.
The red zone is for the immediate loading and unloading of passengers only, there is no stopping in the white zone...(Ai
: Absolutely not. If he did, in fact, send the email, this is exactly what needed to happen. You're in direct control of the lives of over a hundred, y
: Interesting statment. As a airline/military pilot, I find my job very relaxing. I enjoy going to work. It is an escape to where I do what I do best a
: It's less dramatic because it provides close to zero details on the situation.
: In a situation like this, the proper course of action is to treat the email as genuine until it is found that isn't the case.
: "Interesting statment. As a airline/military pilot, I find my job very relaxing. I enjoy going to work. It is an escape to where I do what I do best a
: I feel this is a complete disgrace to a human being. This is a non story event, and as far as I am concerned, is a pathetic news story. There is obvio
: Am I the only one who thought this was funny?
: I think it is obvious...the medical issue was his emotional state of mind and the possibility of committing suicide...If someone tries to kill themse
: I know! I nearly had a momentary lapse in bladder control, and the rest of a.net continues to argue about the crazy guy. whatever.
: Honestly, I didn't get it. Well, in fairness it has to be reported. Its not like this guy had a cold, the police don't get called for that. If he doe
: I'll try to stay away from you, just in case. And from your dad.
: Men say lots of stupid crap to their girlfriends during a break up and women do it too. He only "threatend" something in a email that he wrote to his
: I seriously subscribe to the thought process along the lines that this very well could be the girlfriend acting out of spite. If your boyfriend is a p
: I'll stay away from those characters in the movies too. Wait, they are fictional.
: I hope he does. The last thing I ever want in the cockpit is a potentially suicidal pilot. That is assuming he really did send the email, that is.
: Have we overlooked the fact that he had a gun with him? What we don't know is if he was allowed to have it as part of his job...that would be the key.
: I do not think the pilot should loose his job. Everyone goes through tough times and this was unfortunate for him. My guess is he will be put on admin
: It did...saw it on ABC Evening News. Cheers, Cameron
: Not placing any bets...the obvious choice, is that the GF ratted him out. But, regardless of the source, I still maintain that B6 is in damage contro
: I got a good laugh out of it but last time I mentioned FlairPort the mods got upset! I'm with you they sound like a crazy bunch! I have broken up wit
: Everybody I know has had their old man say stuff like that at one time or another when they were kids. You people are all too uptight. I guess my fam