rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 63003 times:
The airport appears to be on top of a flattened hill with steep slopes on all sides - approx 200 ft or more elevation difference between the runways and the surrounding terrain.
Talks about plane crash landing and bursting into flames.
The screen on the Indian TV is showing that it was "a mishap on take off", which it would be not true if the flight came from Dubai. Anyways another sad story.....
shamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6106 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 62826 times:
Six passengers have been taken to hospital but the terrain surrounding the airport has made it very difficult for emergency services to access the crash site.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 62712 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 12): The airport appears to be on top of a flattened hill with steep slopes on all sides - approx 200 ft or more elevation difference between the runways and the surrounding terrain.
Looks like a lousy place to have an overrun, that's for sure. The main runway looks like it's about 8,000' long--fairly new and pretty long as well. The weather looks pretty decent.
Nothing really seems to be standing out as a red flag to me at the moment...
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11956 posts, RR: 37 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 62188 times:
Aircraft appears to have been operating IX 812, with a scheduled arrival time of 6.30am.
I'm actually in Dubai at the moment and IX is a major operator here, with routes to many Indian regional destinations. Many, if not most, pax would have been domestic, construction and services industry employees in Dubai, whose families rely on remittances from work in DXB.
This accident brings to an end a period of very high growth in Indian aviation without fatal accidents and is the first fatal accident for Indian airliners in many years.
shamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6106 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 61967 times:
Sky News have on their screen that conditions at the airport were apparently poor according to an Indian official. It does seem to be raining quite heavily in the pictures the NDTV are showing.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12335 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 61965 times:
What was the weather and general visability at the time of the crash? Anybody saying what they saw happened in this crash?
Still, the possibilty of a major crash like this is sad. Now we have had 3 'mainline' class aircraft crash in the last month or so.
comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4673 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 61811 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 18): This accident brings to an end a period of very high growth in Indian aviation without fatal accidents and is the first fatal accident for Indian airliners in many years.
What a shame. Indian carriers have good crew training standards. I think the a/c was also fairly new (?). Wonder what happened...
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 61490 times:
Hope everyone is safe and alive. If not may they RIP.
KH
Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
25 KFlyer: Prayers to all involved. Yes, IX812 DXB to Mangalore, IXE. Of 169, many were children, reportedly. I'm looking for the reg. Could a runway overrun cau
26 comorin: Another crash landing by a modern airliner in VFR conditions...what's happening?
27 acabgd: 6 survirvors confirmed by NDTV, possibly more but still no info. From the live images shown on NDTV stream it seems as if the plane dropped into a dee
28 comorin: There is a 150' ditch at the end of the runway that the aircraft appeared to have fallen into.
29 rleiro: It looks like it's Air India Express Flight 812 from Dubai, scheduled to arrive to Mangalore at 06:30 local.
30 JBirdAV8r: Sure it could. It depends mostly on the energy the aircraft was carrying at the time of overrun and the terrain. If the terrain around the airport ha
32 Fauzi: Yeah CNN is reporting that visibility was poor at that time. And the plane did touch-down but apparently attempted to go-around. But let's not make a
33 KPDX: FFS, what's up with all the major aviation accidents this year?
34 WarmNuts: I've flown in in/out of IXE (as pax). As soon as you're wheels up, the bottom drops out beneath you... no run-off.[Edited 2010-05-21 20:23:34]
35 comorin: Here is a picture of AI Express at Mangalore : under Wiki Commons license
36 gamps: I am a frequent flier to this airport and there is absolutely no space for correction as runway is on a hill surrounded by valley. This is a first maj
37 spacecadet: MSNBC says the plane had a technical problem before landing. I assume they meant to write "one of its two engines". If so, then this wasn't a normal r
39 SPR773: RIP to those who were killed. My heartfelt condolences and prayers to the relatives and friends of the people who have died
40 ThreeIfByAir: This appears to be the end of runway 28. Slope is right to left (east to west) quite sharply
41 kaitak: CNN is reporting that the acft went through a boundary well and then down a long slope; I've been to Indian airports and when they say walls, they mea
42 TBYO787: NDTV is talking about 60 people comfirmed dead as of now.
43 Vivekman2006: Sad news to wake up to this morning! Weather conditions were reported as poor. The aircraft overshot the runway, hit the boundary wall and plunged dow
45 as739x: Hate to be the one to say it, but haven't we said the these happen in three's? Libya, India, ??? RIP to everyone involved in both/
46 BW424: RIP to all those involved. Very bad publicity for the 737NG once again.
47 ThreeIfByAir: The overrun for Runway 28 is roughly 800 ft, beyond which there is a 215ft elevation drop over the next 1000ft.
48 TBYO787: Here is a Picture that show the flattened mountain.
49 KPDX: Maybe so, but I will bet this will end up being pilot error..
50 KFlyer: Re the weather. ( South Western ) monsoon and the Lilah storm. Was here in Sri Lanka causing a historic flood and yesterday moved to South India. Anyb
51 jbguller: heres a YouTube video which shows a Jet Airways 738 landing in Mangalore. Also shows, when it starts backtracking, the end of the runway and an idea o
52 JBirdAV8r: Are we dealing with the remnants of Cyclone Laila now, or has that moved through?
53 BW424: Me too, looks like pilot error once again, but you know how these ignorant lawyers and philosophical reports tend to be.
54 Vivekman2006: This had nothing to do with Cyclone Laila. Laila was far away from the state of Karnataka, where IXE is located. According to some sources, the regis
55 Shmertspionem: I doubt this is laila dependant - Mangalore is too far west - besides laila made landfall in the nellore-guntur coast on wed, weakened and headed out
57 ComeAndGo: absolutely, emergency landing with engine fire.
58 LAXDESI: Heartbreaking news. TOI is reporting the following: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...ay-60-dead/articleshow/5960931.cms Quote: At least 60 peopl
59 BW424: Because their have been probably 3 737 hull losses in the last 18 months including this one unfortunately. With all of them, reports say that they we
60 rfields5421: So far this year commercial passenger crashes with majority fatalities Jan 25 - Boeing Lebanon May 12 - Airbus Libya May 15 - Antonov Surname May 17
61 LAXDESI: LA Times has a photo of the crash site on its front page. http://www.latimes.com/
62 aarbee: CNN reports drizzling in morning. D P Satish - CNN news editor in Delhi ... says Air India safety record poor. What nonsense. My prayers to all affect
63 stasisLAX: The airport's location, on a plateau surrounded by hills, made it difficult for the firefighters to reach the scene Saturday, officials said. Pre-mons
64 ojas: A very sad day. RIP to all dead. Here is a sample landing video at IXE http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Nq7fzemZCZU&feature=related
65 kaitak: Frankly, I've always considered that superstitious nonsense; over what period are they counting (if it's over a three month period, does that count);
66 KFlyer: Threeifbyair, BTYO787, Shmertspionem Your photos have been used at http://www.airlineindustryreview.com/urgent-ix812-crash/ , with attribution @Vivek
67 aarbee: Seems that is 4th fatal one this year. Ethiopian in Jan, Polish government, Libyan, followed by this. R
69 Springbok747: Just saw the news..wow...VT-AXV..I actually flew on that aircraft last year... *shudder*
70 SQ_EK_freak: Don't forget Pamir in Afghanistan, which is looking to be a 0 survivor crash...
71 PlanesNTrains: It also says "160 Killed". Is that even confirmed yet? Sad tragedy. -Dave
72 PLANAR: What a beautiful aircraft. The Air India Express color scheme is so beautiful. So tragic. One can only hope the deceased didn't suffer much and are i
73 Cassi: According to the latest reports the pilot didn't report any malfunctions before landing. It is the unfortunate placement of the runway that lead to s
74 KFlyer: AXV has flown three/four sector yesterday, seems average daily. Could be long-haul ( DXB etc ) and of course could be even a low utilisation as well.
75 BMI727: 150 feet is a little more than a ditch. We haven't the slightest idea why this happened yet but we can already assume that this reflects badly on the
77 rfields5421: No much too early to know for sure. The 160 figure is based on Indian reports of "more than 160 dead" Apparently 165 passengers (161 revenue and 4 in
78 spacecadet: Waaaaaaaay too early to make that determination. Overrun almost any runway at high enough speed and you will end up with lots of casualties.
79 rfields5421: Yes, but a steep slope dropping 150-200 feet means no room for any mistakes.
80 litz: I'd add on top of that ... Overrun a runway at high speed and literally (not figuratively) fall off a cliff ... Short of running into a cliff (as opp
81 jayeshrulz: The news is reporting that, the aircraft overshot the runway.If there was no cliff of 200', MANY could have been saved! News reports that People at t
82 FlyWhisperjets: What planet is this news report from????Is it a typo? 60 or 160.......God Bless......
83 hugoandres1984: Today is a sad day in aviation also YV158E crash in Puerto Ordaz Venezuela i was a C182
84 kaitak: Depends on when the report was originally filed; remember that it's still only early hours and it may well have been that initial reports from IXE sp
85 KFlyer: What is this story about wing catching fire fire ? Well, of course, if they landed to an airport without a steep slope, they could've survived.
86 spdbrdconcorde: One of the survivors relative says that a tire exploded during high speed taxi and went off the cliff... http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_live.ph
87 KFlyer: High speed 'taxi' ? Shouldn't it be landing ? There are photos, but graphic. Courtesy of Rodrigo of BNO wire. Guys these photos are VERY GRAPHIC. Is i
89 KFlyer: Here you go.. Last two photos deleted by request. Copyright original photographers[Edited 2010-05-21 23:01:10][Edited 2010-05-21 23:23:12]
90 jetfuel: photo link http://sify.com/news/Over-150-killed...kfwlorhdfec.html?hgallery=14942623
91 zainmax: Currently they are saying 6 passengers have survived. RIP for all. This month is a nightmare for aviation.
92 BW424: Apparently you didn't read my subsequent posts. If any aircraft type crashes, it's bad publicity to that particular aircraft, regardless of its cause
93 BP1: The second picture from the bottom and the last picture are emotionally hard to look at..... No words to express how sad this is. This is another remi
94 Springbok747: Nothing about the tragedy on the Air India Express website..or on the AI website..which is quite shocking. At least they can update their site and pro
95 BW424: I wish those survivors a speedy recovery. More than likely the whole event would have been a blur to them, but when they are in a mentally stable con
96 Vivekman2006: Nothing on the AIX website, but there is a small update on the AI website. http://home.airindia.in/SBCMS/WebPag...10-ai-express-ix-812-incident.aspx
97 MorcegoA330: BBC report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/10141297.stm
98 LTC8K6: What a difficult rescue...almost looks like it's down in a hole...
99 KFlyer: Thanks Gonzalo. IXE has two runways, as per Wikipedia ( bad source for some stuff, but gotta be correct ). This happened on the 10/28 9000ft+ runway.
100 FlyingBird: Smolensk - no ILS Tripoli - no ILS Mangalore - no ILS How many of this 350 lives could have been saved with ILS?[Edited 2010-05-21 23:44:47]
101 spacecadet: Sure, if there was no cliff, and no runway lights, and no buildings, and the world was 100% flat, then no overrun would ever kill anybody. The fact o
102 KFlyer: Well, lack of ILS could be a non-contributor here. There was not any considerable visibility issue, as per reports. The key issue was the slope. That
103 flybynight: Well, with more 737's out there than any other current passenger plane, I guess statsticially speaking more crashes are going to happen with this pla
104 KFlyer: @jayeshrulz I'm afraid I have to disagree. This is not said to disgrace India, I know there are many modern airports and am sure India is one of the c
105 KFlyer: Oh my god.. Did anyone realise this was the deadliest accident in 2010 so far ?
106 CptRegionalJet: While an ILS is always the "safest" option,non precision approaches are by no means dangerous manouvers. It's all a matter of knowing your aircraft a
107 jayeshrulz: Guys! Relax! what am i saying is, atleast many if not all could have been saved! Did i even mention that the crash would not have happened? Sure it wo
108 BW424: Agreed. That doesn't take away the inevitable reflex bad publicity the aircraft will get from ignorant media. Myself as well. Some people look to mak
109 Gonzalo: You're Welcome, and thanks to you too for the clarifications, but I have to say I'm a little confused about this airport layout, I check two differen
110 B747forever: I just saw this on the news. I am very shocked. It has not been a good few last weeks for aviation. May they all rest in peace.
111 KFlyer: Boeing has sent a team. Funny enough, they still call it IX892 http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1219
112 ap305: Since its an American built a/c an ntsb employee may be part of the investigation but the dgca will likely be the lead...irritating to see our local
113 pilotaydin: As someone in the field of accident investigation, and also analysis as a secondary job to flying, I can tell you that I've sifted through a lot of r
114 CptRegionalJet: Good point.While an ILS always guides you accurately towards the runway,the "risks" during landing phase are the same as during non precision approac
115 Shmertspionem: Heres the latest 8 SURVIVORS REPORTED no distress signal from pilot poor visibility one man lost 16 members of his family
116 mandala499: People need to give Wikipedia with a little more credit than it is getting. From the AIP, Mangalore's longest runway (06/24) is Runway 06/24 8038 ×
117 aviationbuff: Very sad incident .... most of the passengers were people returning home for vacation. RIP to all dead and speedy recovery for the survivors. Just hea
118 Shmertspionem: Heres some more one survivor - Abdullah - jumped from the overwing door while plane was still skidding !? - this was when it was sliding down the gorg
119 pilotaydin: I'm glad you posted these pics with disturbing images....it will make some know it all users on here think twice before bashing any pilot, controller
121 cakentennis: I just cannot digest that picture with the burnt corpse and exposed bones. This is undoubtedly one of the worst tragedies India has witnessed in the l
122 Cricket: Thankfully there are 7 or 8 survivors, terrible tragedy the first major air accident in India since the Chakri Dadri collision. RIP to those who peris
123 worldliner: "The plane shook with vibrations and split into two," a survivor called Pradeep told CNN-IBN television. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...Mangal
125 A380Heavy: In the interests of taste can you please remove the penultimate picture and the one before that - these two shots show dead bodies in seats or sprawl
126 Vimanav: Actually its the worst of 8 hull loss accidents for the B737-800 - exceeding the number of lives lost in the Gol accident of Sep 2006. Its the 3rd wo
127 Shmertspionem: If you're angry with that - wait till you watch what's on TV here - every two bit reporter and rented "aviation expert" giving the most shockingly ir
128 tarunkashyap14: Flight IX 812 was commanded by British national of Serbian origin Capt Zlatko Glusica and First officer S.S Ahluwalia...may their soul RIP.
129 Vimanav: Actually the crash of July 17, 2000 VT-EGD B732 in Patna was the last commercial airplane disaster in India with fatalities. 60 killed. brgds//Vimana
130 CaliAtenza: well this is from Times of India: "Sadananda Gowda, who is the BJP MP from Mangalore, said the accident happened after a wing of the aircraft hit a hi
131 worldliner: Indian Tv are saying they have recovered 116 bodies, so i am guessing that 116 is the confirmed number of fatalities.
132 ap305: Headlines Today quoting the Home minister that the captain had 26 cycles and the fo 66 cycles at Mangalore
133 HAWK21M: Why do the media get dramatic & not stick to facts........
134 ap305: I cringed when i was shifting through the channels and saw a Hindi channel claiming that the plane lost its "balance" when it braked [Edited 2010-05-
135 Springbok747: Ugh...7 "news" is the worst. They even got the aircraft wrong..they had a picture of an AI 744 (in old colours too). And the so-called "aviation expe
136 victor009: Well i wont say 3rd world etc etc. But this was bound to happen, I have been using that airport since i was 4 (as far i as know) travel every year, mi
137 NEMA: Listening to a BBC news report this morning, this is apparently one of those airports where pilots have to have special training in advance of flying
138 HAWK21M: The Safety record in this region has been excellent in the last decade. This Airport & this Aircraft type have been flying thousands of hrs in thi
139 moderators: The moderating team has had to remove several photos from this thread which were felt to be inappropriate. Please can members respect the sensitivitie
140 777way: NDTV live news in english http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_live.php?id=LIVE_BG24x7&live=tv Ticker passenger list shows a high number of peopl
141 thegreatRDU: Nowadays pilot error is responsible for over 70% of crashes....I don't think this will be any different...
142 Anshuk: I've flown into this runway as a kid, it was absolutely terrifying. You overshoot, you go straight down, hundreds of feet. Just woke up to this new. R
144 Anshuk: The CNN-IBN article says the plane touched down about 2000 feet past the 'touchdown point'. Surely this would call for an go-around, right? Considerin
145 777way: These crashes are the worst for those who dislike flying just when they have landed or are close to landing this happens.
146 Anshuk: If you're familiar with the geography of Mangalore, you'd know that it falls right on the Western Ghats. The Deccan Plateau ends very abruptly and yo
147 pilotaydin: I was thinking of the AA in Jamaica...overruns are a serious thing, they usually results from one of two things...the first is a higher than normal a
148 CaliAtenza: My grandfather lived in Mangalore for many years and i have spent much time there as a kid and i know how the Western Ghats are. Couldnt the airport
149 Vimanav: The catchment area around IXE and also CCJ have large numbers of Christians and Muslims. Along with Hindus, all the 3 communities have large skilled
150 babybus: I've got to take a 737-800 tomorrow. Just the thought, after seeing those horrific photos, gives me the colley-wobbles. Not a good week for aviation.
151 SOBHI51: Ok lets close the investigation, no need for the black box, send everybody home. It is way too early for such a call, unless you know something we do
152 comorin: To converge on some facts: 1. Wx - was VFR, no rain, no wind at time of landing. 2. ILS in use. 3. F/O based (lived) in Mangalore, so he was returning
153 Anshuk: a) Barely any suitable land available close to the coast. Whatever land IS available is used mainly for agriculture. b) The empty land apart from agr
154 comorin: Looks like the 'what' of the situation is pretty clear - overshoot and failure to stop or GA. It's the 'why' we need the black boxes for - Why highly
155 comorin: Anshuk - I am just summarizing what I read from the Indian DGCA and MetOffice press releases, including a comment from a pilot in Mangalore who said
156 Airport: As of my post, there are now as many posts in this thread as there are feared dead... I don't know why, maybe its just me, but looking up at the amoun
157 ltbewr: John Nance, a well known aviation crash expert here in the USA was on the USA's ABC Network GMA program and made some comments that included: The simi
158 JoKeR: The Captain was a 53 year-old ex JU pilot, a dual British-Serbian national. JAT issued a statement saying that the late Captain Glusica was a very exp
159 Cricket: I'm assuming the investigation team should be there soon, I haven't heard anything about IXE operations being halted or stopped for certain types, any
160 ixemctdca: Looks like the Air India website was finally updated. List of Crew There's also a list of the passengers in a pdf on the Air India website.
161 F9Animal: Yes it is, I totally agree. Such a drop off at the end of any runway really makes me scratch my head. It is very obvious after looking at some of the
162 c5load: But considering all of the circumstances, do you think it may have been too late to call for a GA when they realized they were past the point they wa
163 ju068: It was also reported that he flew on a DC-9 and then on 737-300 before leaving JU. Sad day- RIP
164 Shmertspionem: Heres The Latest on TV Secretary of the pilots association has said the following on TV 1) Flight safety has been a problem since the Ai-IA merger beg
165 Anshuk: I don't know much about that.. I was hoping a 737 pilot could possibly enlighten us? What options are available to a pilot if he's overshot the touch
167 Anshuk: The compensation announced is a goodwill gesture on the part of the government. The fact that it is government owned is irrelevant because the compan
168 Anshuk: Boeing has released a statement. http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1219
169 777way: Two people missed the flight, one man got the dates mixed up and the other a woman confused flight timings. NDTV reports 16 members of one family kill
171 comorin: Praful Patel, Av Minister, said the plane touched down 2000 feet beyond the start of the runway. (Times of India).
172 Anshuk: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q3/060729a_nr.html It says here that Air India has also ordered the Short Runway package 737's. Can anybody c
173 rfields5421: The new runway does have a EMAS type system of a 750 ft long soft sand arresting bed on the end of the runways, and a strong wall after that. The air
174 Stealthz: Having seen several Australian News broadcasts this evening I have seen nothing that resembles the behaviour that you have mentioned in this thread,
175 Anshuk: India is signatory to the Montreal Convention, not sure about the UAE though.
176 Anshuk: Pilot Aydin! I was hoping you would show on this forum If you can tell us, what options are available to a pilot of a 737 when he/she has overshot th
177 ckfred: Here's a thought. A friend of mine is a 737-800 captain, having flown 757/767 more than 10 years before switching. One thing about the 737-800 is that
178 B747forever: Didnt know that airlines publish these lists.
179 Bennett123: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19791008-0 This type of issue seems to go back a long way. IMO Airlines and Airport operators need t
180 LipeGIG: To all, We expect that such a tragic event to be discussed on a polite and civilized manner. This is the last place where we may expect disrespectful
181 rfields5421: Airlines usually publish a passenger list, but the local version of a coroner will publish the final list of deceased victims.
182 comorin: A few of the survivors said they just jumped out of the aircraft; does this mean that the G forces were not excessive? In that case, were most of the
183 ikramerica: Why not just remind pilots to freaking GO AROUND when they overshoot the runway. If you are floating and know it, throttle up and go around. I've bee
184 mandala499: OK, this does not contradict what I've been hearing... ILS24 approach was conducted is suspected from the start. No wind makes it easier to do the an
185 rfields5421: The way I read the statements - the plane had come to a stop, and they jumped from the doorway or breaks in the fuselage to the ground. It is probabl
187 aviationbuff: Environment group blames air crash on faulty runway construction http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/C...nstruction/articleshow/5963047.cms
188 RoseFlyer: There already is an option on the 737-800 that allows for shorter runway operations. It includes larger spoiler deflection and a tailskid. It is a cu
190 Pihero: Up again to yopur usual standards of high quality posting, I see ! One question, though : I seem to have heard AI to have ordered the 79 T high gross
191 USXguy: And Alaska Airlines has more navigational equipment and aids than most military planes! RNP, ADS-B, 3 GPS systems, and Heads Up Displays in most of A
192 LipeGIG: Correct, that is the Boeing 737-800SFP used by GOL (G3) to perform operation on the (very) short runway of SDU, the Rio de Janeiro domestic airport.
193 Shmertspionem: Pitfalls of dual citizenship!!!!! From my limited understanding of malyalam (this particular survivor was a malyalee) he said "the window broke and w
194 comorin: Ironic that while buses in India frequently fall into ravines and gullies with loss of life, this is the first time it has happened with an airliner.
195 spacecadet: Well, I've been suspecting that there was more to this story than a simple overrun. Experienced pilots used to flying into this airport, good weather
196 rfields5421: I Googled and found several articles on the runway construction. All said the runway was being built with the long overrun sand pits. The length varie
197 DocLightning: That's always really freaky. I have a friend who was scheduled to go to Paris for a prize he won back in1996. He was scheduled to fly TW800. Two week
198 CALPSAFltSkeds: This is an awful accident that should not have happened. Rest in Peace for everyone killed and peace to families who've lost loved ones. We'll probabl
199 Anshuk: What kind of a cut were they getting? :-| in flight mags have ads, ads bring revenue. Simple. A safety magazine for crew can easily be circulated ove
200 Viscount724: Not if the overrun area is flat and clear of obstacles. There have been many overruns without even any significant injuries. All depends on the terra
201 spacecadet: Those overruns all happened at relatively low speeds. Notice that I said in my quote "at high enough speed". We are now talking about how this plane
202 Viscount724: Did you miss the AC DC-8 overrun? That was a very high speed overrun, well above the normal speed where the decision would be made to abort or contin
203 spacecadet: Your description says takeoff was aborted over v1. That says nothing about the overrun speed. I'm just not sure what your point is. That airports sho
204 Larshjort: Was it 2000 feet from the start of the runway, or 2000 feet from the normal touchdown zone as in 3500 feet from the start of the runway? /Lars
205 Viscount724: To overrun a long runway by half a mile requires a high speed going off the end. My point was simply that a long and flat overrun area is often the p
206 comorin: I researched but could only come up with the tail- VT-AXC and the Airport- Cochin.
207 dldtw1962: What ever the cause of this crash. May God be with all those who have lost love ones. And may those loved ones be in peace. Chuck
208 mandala499: Well, for dispatch purposes, 2450m at 25C, SL... dry... you can go up to beyond MTOW for the landing weight and still stop within the runway (probabl
209 nycank: Here is what NYT article says about safety, training and inspections in Indian Aviation - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/wo...tml?ref=global-home&a
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