Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1074 times:
Hey all,
Anyone know of a large commercial jetliner (737-sized and up) that was delivered new, entered service and crashed or was written off in a very short time?
One that comes to mind is a China Airlines Boeing 747-400 that slid into Hong Kong harbour in 1993. I don't know when it was delivered but the first one was delivered in 1988 so it could not have been more than 5 years old. The tail was so stuck in the mud that the authorities had to use DYNAMITE to free it. It was written off shortly thereafter.
ILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 985 times:
there was a new AF A340 that burned up a while back.
Oxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 673 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 972 times:
well B767-400er, it seems to me that China is very different from China Airlines of Taiwan.
By the way, one Braniff 707 crashed on its delivery flight. The plane was a 707-227, S/N 17691, and crashed on october 19, 1959. Really short lived indeed.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3191 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 915 times:
That AF A320-100 which crashed at the airshow at Habsheim in 1988 was indeed just 3 days with the company when it went down.
China Airlines is the Taiwanese national carrier, not an airline from the People's Republic of China. Chinese airlines in fact have a very good safety record due to strictly enforced standards at home. Taiwan, on the other hand, while sharing the registration letter "B" seems to have had major problems with airline safety in recent years.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3191 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 906 times:
Oh yes, I just remembered. How about that Canadian Pacific Comet which crashed during its delivery flight in Karachi (?1954)? That plane was deliberately routed across Asia in order to demonstrate its capabilities but sadly it ended up being a major public relations disaster.
PhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 856 times:
N400QX,
Sorry to have to have a go at yet another teen BUT if you are going to post on a forum which is meant to help people with FACTS please post FACTS.
First off, ANY of the Comets? Which Comets? MK1, 2, 3 or 4?
I'll be charitable and assume you mean the Comet 1.
Let's see:
Of those that crashed, G-ALYP had flown for 3 years and 1 day when it crashed and had 1 year 8 months and 2 days in airline service after being used as a development aircraft.
G-ALYR had flown for 3 days short of 2 years and been in airline service for 14 months and 8 days.
G-ALYV had flown for 1 year and 23 days and been in service for 1 year and 9 days.
G-ALYY had flown for 2 days short of 1 year and 7 months and been in service for 1 year 6 months and 22 days.
G-ALYZ had flown for 1 month and 3 days and had been in service for 27 days - now that one probably qualifies somewhere in the top 20 or so.
CF-CUN had flown for 2 months and 7 days and had not entered service, so that may rate in the top 50.
F-BGSC flew for just 2 months and 10 days with only 25 days in service, another top 50 contender.
Whilst the majority of Comet 1s were withdrawn and cocooned or scrapped (a couple of the fuselage cocoons lay around Farnborough until comparatively recently). RCAF Comet 1XBs flew until the mid 1960s and some of the RAF Comet 2s went on until the 1970s.
PLEASE try to be more accurate and don't generalise.
There are people out ther trying to learn from this forum.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12706 posts, RR: 80 Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 847 times:
The British Midland B737-400 which crashed at East Midlands Airport in 1989, was pretty new.
I remember hearing about a UTA B747-300 which was burned-out during ground maintenace in 1985, I think it was brand new. The story I heard was that the fire was started during cleaning, but I could be wrong.
N400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 826 times:
>PLEASE try to be more accurate and don't generalise
Whoa there... don't freak out. I posted with the assumption (I guess you can't assume too much with some people) that everyone knew what I was talking about. I wasn't going to waste my time naming off all the Comets that had problems leading to the eventual fleet grounding...
Soku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 830 times:
it never crashed but the Dasault Mercure never really got off the ground except with Air Inter.
Asgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 513 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 820 times:
On December 29th, 1972, an Eastern Airlines Lochheed L-1011 TriStar (N310EA) crashed into the Everglades in Florida. The airliner, who was operating on flight #401, was delivered 4 months earlier. 73 of 173 onboard survived.
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Red Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 803 times:
That China Airlines' 744 was just about four months old at the time of the crash at HKG. The 744 could not be used again due to intrusion of sea water that damaged all the electronic systems and engines.
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 800 times:
How many died on the Braniff 707? I haven't heard of any fatal crashes with any of Braniff's Jet powered aircraft.
UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2130 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 793 times:
No one has mentioned the West Coast DC-9 flight that went down in the mountains in the 1960's shortly after delivery. I forget the details.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1855 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 795 times:
American lost two 707-123's on training flights on Long Island, in 1959.
Braniff only lost on 707-227, near Moses Lake, WA on a pre delivery flight.
American put its initial L-188, N6101A into the East River 10 days after it inaugerated service between MDW and LGA in early 1959.
CO lost a DC-7B pre delivery when it collided with an Air Force fighter over Southern Calif and hit a middle school. The incident is dramatized in the movie, La Bamba, as Richie Valens was a student on the playground when the DC-7 came down, and had recurring nightmares about the event. Of course, he died a few years later with Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper shortly after takeoff from MCW on February 3, 1959.
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1470 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 774 times:
Well done PhilB on the comet. Facts is facts and the tragedy of the Comet 1's created a fine airliner in the Mk4.
Back to the topic, the Braniff & Northwest Orient L188 Electra's that were unlucky enough to have their wings fall off in flight in 1959, within a year of build, deserve a nomination.
Interesting to note in the well publicised accident data bases the number of training accidents in the early jets as the piston age gave way to the jet age.
A40-TY From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 765 times:
The Eastern Airlines L-1011 TriStar (flight 401) that crashed in the Everglades in 1972, had not been with the company for long, only a few months I think.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29350 posts, RR: 62 Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 760 times:
Didn't MEA lose a 990 to a Isreali commado raid back in the 60's. I think it had just been delivered and had yet to enter revenue service.
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25 Jtb106: ...L-188... 2 Lebanese International CV-990s were indeed destroyed in the 12/28/68 raid, but they were middle aged by 1968. However, a MEA 707 that wa
26 PhilB: N400QX, To your question: Only posts that are either inaccurate or smack of the National Enquirer. "Any of the Comets" means you can pick any one out
27 Iahcsr: CO had a 737-500 (Ship 643) written off after a less then good landing in GDL. The aircraft was less then a year old at the time.
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