goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1923 posts, RR: 3 Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15498 times:
Sorry if it's been posted before or if my question seems silly, but I was wondering how the food carts were loaded on the upper deck of the 747. I'm asking this because, I remember AF saying that for the A380 they have acquired some specially designed trucks which are able to reach the UD doors to load the UD food carts directly there. I've seen these new trucks at CDG and the height they are reaching is impressive. So as these trucks were new, there were not existing for the 747 and it's true that I've never seen any truck delivering food (or something else) at the UD doors of the 747. So I suppose the food carts are all loaded at the lower deck and carried upstairs manually ? But I suppose these carts are very heavy, so... I'm sure somebody can satisfy my curiosity on this forum full of experts
goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1923 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15439 times:
Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 1): On the 744s there's usually a lift for the carts between the Door 2 Galley and the Upper Deck Galley
Quoting LHR380 (Reply 2): There is a small service lift to get the carts onto the upper deck.
Thank you guys for your quick answer. Do you know if there are similar lifts on the A380 ? I suppose also for the A380 it was easier to load directly the UD as there are much more seats upstairs than for a 747.
Here's just clarifying why they weren't delivered straight to the upper deck. I'm sure they'd run into some sort of problem/hazard if they tried to load straight to the upper deck as the door is different to the lower deck ones. Also, the cargo hatch is basically vertically below where the catering truck would dock.. Or it'd be stuck inside a jetway, assuming L2 being used. Then again, you think about the -100, 200 and 300 where there was no door on the upper deck. Boeing would have thought of this and hence you have the answer above - a lift.
Quoting goldorak (Reply 3): Do you know if there are similar lifts on the A380 ?
It probably depends on the airline. EK has no need for it - premium is all on the upper deck and Economy is all downstairs. Different story for SQ though.
Tristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4203 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15123 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5): Here's just clarifying why they weren't delivered straight to the upper deck
Also, you can't see on the photo, but the door escape slide sits on the floor inside the door. It has to be removed to use the door. Not something you would do on a transit!
There is only a single cart lift on the B744. Its a nightmare when it fails because you can't carry the carts up the stairs. Working B744 transits, you quickly learn all the tricks to get the lift working again.
goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1923 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14491 times:
Quoting luxair747SP (Reply 4): I've just found an article, where it is said that SQ loads them into the upper deck doors and never thought about a cart lift
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5): It probably depends on the airline. EK has no need for it - premium is all on the upper deck and Economy is all downstairs. Different story for SQ though
So, if no lift in their A380, this means that the airports they serve (the catering companies) need absolutely to be equipped with the special trucks able to reach the UD ?
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 6): There is only a single cart lift on the B744. Its a nightmare when it fails because you can't carry the carts up the stairs. Working B744 transits, you quickly learn all the tricks to get the lift working again.
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1002 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7229 times:
Quoting VIR744 (Reply 9): The 747-100/200s did have upper deck doors, either one or two (depending on customer spec.) behind the flight deck. They, like the -3/400, are emergency exits and not service doors.
Some airlines had cart lifts on he 747-100/200s as well, and on the 747SP the cart lift was a standard feature.
I know that LH's classic 747's didn't have cart lifts. Remember that most of the airlines that were eraly customers for the 747 had the first class bar/lounge in the upper deck so there was not a whole lot of catering items that needed to be brought up. Later when the airlines did away with the bars/lounges and equipped the upper deck with seats and galleys some decided to install cart lifts, others didn't.
LH did not. Hence all the carts/trolleys, equipment had to be carried up by catering personell.
Panman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5256 times:
Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 8): A380s have two lifts, which (IIRC) also can be used by wheelchairs. Lack of upper-deck cateringtrucks is not critical, but will increase turnaround time significantly.
No the cart lifts on the A380 are not large enough to carry a wheel chair (unless it is folded). They are roughly the same size as the 747 cart lift (if you want I can get the measuring tape out next time I am at work) and are only large enough to carry one catering cart at a time (or two half sized carts).
On our A380s we load the business class galley through the U1R door; the 1st class galley through the M2R door; economy through M5L and the Premium Economy/Aft Business class cabins via M5L and the aft cart lift. I have yet to see the forward cart lift used. In fact on one of our A380s we have even serviced the aft cart lift with parts from the forward cart lift and (obviously) taken the forward cart lift out of service.
On our 747s we load 1st class, main deck business class, and upper deck business class through the L2 door (and cart lift) and Premium Economy/Economy through R4.
And yes I know that there are no A380 operators in Trinidad & Tobago for those who think that my flag represents where I am living and not that it represents my nationality (which does not represent where I currently live).