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Will We Ever See AA 737-900  
User currently offlinedeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

DId search, saw nothing other than vagure references to this topic in other threads. SOooo. that said, there is so much talk about the bad condition of AA 757s in this forum, I was wondering if in long run (like 2-3 years anyway) AA will place an order for 737-900s as replacement? If not in next few years, will this ever happen? THey seem to be working well for CO.

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User currently offlinebiggsfo From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10720 times:

I personally think a fleet of 739s based in MIA for domestic and Caribbean/LatAm routes would be good. They could swap them out for some of the 757s and redeploy those across the Atlantic.

User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10500 times:

I think it all depends on when the 757s will be retired. If it's somewhat soon I think we will see some, but if it's close to the Y1 release then they may just stick with the 738s

User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 2):
I think it all depends on when the 757s will be retired. If it's somewhat soon I think we will see some, but if it's close to the Y1 release then they may just stick with the 738s

This is my sense as well. It seems AA is doing the absolute minimum fleet upgrade while waiting to see what the next generation will bring. NW did pretty well by ongoing refurbishment of older aircraft and as long as oil remains below $100 a barrel, AA can likely get away with it too.

At this point, I'm guessing labor relations are a higher internal priority than fleet upgrades.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10111 times:

If they eventually consume AS, we might.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2617 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

I don't know the age of AA's 757s vs. their M80s, but think they are or at least should be concentrating on retiring the M80. However, a fleet of 739ERs can replace M80s as well as 757s. There must be routes where another 20 seats is needed.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12429 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

AA received its first 757s in 1990 (in fact I recall flying on N613AA in June 1990, from ORD to DTW, when it was very new). I would not be surprised if AA looked seriously at the 739/739ER (I'd be surprised if they haven't done so already). The 739 could accomplish many, if not most, missions operated by the 757, including flights to Hawaii and even some shorter t/a routes, such as those to the UK and Ireland.)

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4008 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9302 times:
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Quoting Airnerd (Reply 4):
If they eventually consume AS, we might.

I surely hope this does not happen. AA does not do well with mergers and we all know that! AA stay away from AS.

The 739ER would be a great replacement a/c for some of the older 757s. It would also allow them to place them on transcons: LAX-IAD/BOS/MCO and operate them at lower costs than the 75s operate. This would be a great a/c for midcons out of the DFW hub as well to cities in the north&southeast as well as westcoast destinations that see a lot of 757s.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9079 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
AA received its first 757s in 1990

Nope, 1989. I recall seeing an American 757 in DFW during the summer of 89. The youngest one dates from 2002, please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Yes, the 739ER could be the 757 replacement in a few years from now, I mean it could replace the oldest 757's in the fleet which date from the early 90's but only on routes where ETOPS are not required, because the NG737 isn't qualified for long overwater missions...unless the FAA approves 180min ETOPS for the NG737.

I don't think they'll add the 737-700 because of the higner CASM, unlikely but not impossible...you never know, they could have a small subfleet of 700's on selected markets for business travel. Continental and Delta each have a small subfleet of 700's compared to their large fleet of 800's. The 600 is of course out of the question.

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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4008 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8646 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
Yes, the 739ER could be the 757 replacement in a few years from now, I mean it could replace the oldest 757's in the fleet which date from the early 90's but only on routes where ETOPS are not required, because the NG737 isn't qualified for long overwater missions...unless the FAA approves 180min ETOPS for the NG737.

Is this different than the ETOPS CO has on their 739ERs that have been routinely flying LAX-HNL-LAX?


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5218 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Priority one for AA is getting labor contracts with the TWU, the APFA, and the APA. Once management has agreements with all three unions, then we will see more aircraft deliveries and retirements.

Could the 737-900 replace some of the 757s? Yes. The question becomes Boeing's timetable for the next generaton of narrowbody aircraft, and the variants within the family. The longer Boeing takes to offer a new narrowbody family, the greater the likelihood of AA buying some 737-900s. That's not to say AA will, but merely a great chance that they will.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
Nope, 1989. I recall seeing an American 757 in DFW during the summer of 89

  
N610AM is the oldest, delivered 7/31/89. N611AM is the first received, delivered 7/17/89.


Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
the youngest one dates from 2002, please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

  
Newest one is N172AJ, delivered 4/20/02.



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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5403 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
because the NG737 isn't qualified for long overwater missions...unless the FAA approves 180min ETOPS for the NG737.

737NGs are 180 minute ETOPS qualified and have been since shortly after their introduction into service.

[Edited 2010-05-24 06:31:14]

User currently offlineua76heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 5960 times:

A couple of years ago in AW&ST, AA was looking at the 739ER as a possible replacement for 752s on domestic routes. Haven't read anything more on it.

According to Airfleets.net, AA took delivery of its first 8 752s in 1989:
MSN | Type | Delivery date | Registration | Remark
24486 (234) 757-223 31/07/1989 N610AA
24487 (236) 757-223 17/07/1989 N611AM
24488 (240) 757-223 04/08/1989 N612AA
24489 (242) 757-223 11/08/1989 N613AA
24490 (243) 757-223 18/08/1989 N614AA
24491 (245) 757-223 12/09/1989 N615AM
24524 (248) 757-223 28/09/1989 N616AA
24525 (253) 757-223 17/11/1989 N617AM

In 2002, it took delivery of its last:
32395 (994) 757-223 11/01/2002 N176AA
32396 (996) 757-223 18/01/2002 N177AN
32397 (1000) 757-223 14/02/2002 N179AA
32398 (1002) 757-223 21/02/2002 N178AA
32399 (1005) 757-223 21/03/2002 N173AN
32400 (1012) 757-223 30/04/2002 N172AJ


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Most of AA 757s are "young enough" to be around at least another 10/15yrs...I could see the old ones being replaced by either 739 or Boeing's future 737 replacement...interesting. Eventhough AA is not keen of subfleets; don't see how they would integrate the 739/ER with so many 757s still w/many yrs of service left. I guess AA will start replacing its 757s with whatever NG Boeing offers as a 737 replacement.

User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5):
I don't know the age of AA's 757s vs. their M80s, but think they are or at least should be concentrating on retiring the M80.

These are the average ages of AA types of aicraft.

762: 23,47 years
M82: 18,95 years
763: 16,09 years
752: 15,84 years
AT7: 15,34 years
M83: 14,14 years
772: 9,49 years
ERJ: 8,58 years
CR7: 7,11 years
738: 6,41 years

[Edited 2010-05-24 11:45:53]

User currently offlineua76heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 14):
Most of AA 757s are "young enough" to be around at least another 10/15yrs...I could see the old ones being replaced by either 739 or Boeing's future 737 replacement...interesting. Eventhough AA is not keen of subfleets; don't see how they would integrate the 739/ER with so many 757s still w/many yrs of service left.


You're right. I don't think AA was looking at retiring the 752s, but using the 739ERs to free them up for redeployment to international routes.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3505 times:
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Quoting ua76heavy (Reply 13):
32400 (1012) 757-223 30/04/2002 N172AJ

Just the day when the last 727, a 727-223 registered N864AA, left the fleet.



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