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Austrian Looks To Resume PVG, MIA, ORD  
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

Austrian Airlines, following the upcoming resumption of Delhi and Male, is considering resuming services to Chicago, Miami and Shanghai in the near future.

(Article in German)
http://www.austrianaviation.net/news...5/21/aua-baut-langstrecke-aus.html

Miami was last served in October 2001; Shanghai in January 2007; Chicago in October 2008.


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User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8576 times:

It would be nice to see Austrian back in Chicago. If they do resume service would this not be their third go at it? Or would it be try number 4?

[Edited 2010-05-23 12:02:50]


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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8216 times:

Would be nice to see AUA expanding long haul. But do they have enough aircraft left to open three destinations?

User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8165 times:

Good to hear OS may be coming back to Chicago. I think this may be their third go but I'm not sure.

User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

This news, together with LOT's indication they'll relaunch some long haul destinations, makes me wonder whether there are some Star Alliance rumblings going on. Perhaps these airlines aren't happy being feeder airlines to LH longhaul operations.

User currently onlineota1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7567 times:
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Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4):
Perhaps these airlines aren't happy being feeder airlines to LH longhaul operations.

Well, OS is wholly owned by LH so these news do not indicate any rumblings within *A nor do they indicate that OS is not happy...


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7488 times:

Could this not be a means in trying to coordinate flights amongst Star carriers? Or maybe being relief flights for connecting traffic... sending more connecting traffic via OS and LO to Europe and leaving LH to connect pax internationally and throughout Europe?

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7038 times:

Any idea whether they will resume Colombo, CMB ? They stopped around late 2008 IIRC.


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2774 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 6998 times:
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Ah Chicago is just amazing...!! I am sure with five daily flights to Belgrade they will have higher loads this time around!
If they were to add more planes would it be 767s or 777s?


User currently offlinePutnik From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

How come Austrian had so many trials and errors? The list of their tried and abandoned destinations is almost impressive. Now, they are about to try ORD for the third time, PVG again... etc. It feels like they are always starting from scratch, over and over again. Would it not be more wise and far more cost effective to consolidate long haul routes they already have and facilitate growth from there? ORD is a logical step by all means and that is the route OS should ply, bearing in mind all the connections from Eastern Europe they developed. They should try to persevere.


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User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Quoting Putnik (Reply 9):
How come Austrian had so many trials and errors? The list of their tried and abandoned destinations is almost impressive. Now, they are about to try ORD for the third time, PVG again... etc.

1 DIFFERENCE THIS TIME AROUND....... THE LUFTHANSA FACTOR.... !!!!.... This time, it should work!


User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5182 times:

IIRC, previously MIA was actually served by Lauda via MUC. Also worth noting that IAD was originally served via ZRH. OS's first long haul flight to JFK was even via BRU (and I think another city at one point) before going nonstop.

VIE is a very tough hub being too far East for most practical connections in Western Europe.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

It'll be good to see that OS 763 in Star Alliance colours parked at M21 at ORD again!


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User currently offlineblink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting airzim (Reply 11):
VIE is a very tough hub being too far East for most practical connections in Western Europe.


Yes, that is true. However, VIE is a relatively easy hub to connect through with much less walking and far fewer corridors than say, FRA, which I probably walk at least a kilometer through while taking all sorts of stairs, escalators, and elevators as I connect between Schengen and non-Schengen. Furthermore, OS--and Austria as a whole--has a lot of business connections into and out of Eastern Europe. In terms of distance, ORD-VIE-GVA may not be very efficient, but if times work, ORD-VIE-BUC is a very feasible option over connecting in FRA,CDG,AMS, MUC etc.

Lastly--and this is me thinking and nothing more--Austrian has made it known, and I quote the latest issue of Skylines that I grabbed yesterday, "Austrian remains Austrian." These routes may also be a means of showing their customer base that they are not going to become "Lufthansa Österreich."

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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

And I want to see how long they will last this time around. OS should focus its energy on its "near East" policy and forget the rest.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 1):
It would be nice to see Austrian back in Chicago. If they do resume service would this not be their third go at it? Or would it be try number 4?
Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 3):
Good to hear OS may be coming back to Chicago. I think this may be their third go but I'm not sure.


Agreed, would love to see them at ORD again. I don't know why they've struggle here so much in past. I remember flying with them several times throughout the early 90s via CPH, and even later when they went direct to VIE. They have a much better long-haul product than LO, and they're connections/proximity to Central and Southeastern Europe are ideal, as this demographic is obviously well-represented in Chicago.

Given that this is just speculation at this point, are there any indications as to whether this would be seasonal or yearly?


User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

OS is also resuming BOM. According to www.aua.com:

Quote:

Austrian Airlines is expanding the long-haul capacity in its 2010/2011 Winter Schedule. From 31 October 2010 onwards, we will start our service of scheduled flights to the Indian metropolis of Mumbai. The Indian capital, New Delhi, is one of the country’s key economic centres and an important trading hub.

Mumbai flight schedule
Flight number Flight days Flight times
Vienna-Mumbai OS35 Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday 10.40 a.m. – 11.30 p.m.
Mumbai-Vienna OS36 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday 1.45 a.m. – 5.40 a.m.*
* Currently scheduled flight time; possibly subject to change.



User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

You have to look on the whole LH group network. All these flights are now flown from FRA, ZRH and MUC . The question is if there is really a market for one flight more to each destination.

User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 15):
Agreed, would love to see them at ORD again. I don't know why they've struggle here so much in past.

ORD seems to be difficult for all non-US airlines (at least when you read this forum, that's the impression you get). Is it the low loads during the winter season which is impairing the whole year results of ORD routes ?


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2774 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3045 times:
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Quoting blink182 (Reply 13):
Yes, that is true. However, VIE is a relatively easy hub to connect through with much less walking and far fewer corridors than say, FRA

Plus VIE offers you free wireless  


User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 18):
ORD seems to be difficult for all non-US airlines (at least when you read this forum, that's the impression you get). Is it the low loads during the winter season which is impairing the whole year results of ORD routes ?

I don't know if that's true, most of the other European majors fly here year round. I can see why VS flies only summers, because BA/AA can squeeze them out in the winter months, but ORD/Chicago is huge -- plenty of business-related O&D traffic in addition to connecting domestic passengers to international destinations.


User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

VS is getting the summer demand peak travel. In winter the loads and yields drop. Maybe VS could try ORD-MAN?

LH can make ORD-VIE work! Again, many low yielding connections to eastern Europe, but they can route the low yielding traffic via VIE and concentrate on the high yielding traffic to FRA and to a lesser extent MUC.


User currently offlineWroord From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 15):
Agreed, would love to see them at ORD again. I don't know why they've struggle here so much in past. I remember flying
with them several times throughout the early 90s via CPH, and even later when they went direct to VIE. They have a much better long-haul product than LO, and they're connections/proximity to Central and Southeastern Europe are ideal, as this demographic is obviously well-represented in Chicago.

They struggled with ORD because LH expanded their operations in MUC, which follwed by all major US carriers to start service to MUC. The new airport in MUC allows for fast connections into Central and Eastern Europe.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 13):
Lastly--and this is me thinking and nothing more--Austrian has made it known, and I quote the latest issue of Skylines that I grabbed yesterday, "Austrian remains Austrian." These routes may also be a means of showing their customer base that they are not going to become "Lufthansa Österreich."

Was that made as a general statement, or rather as a response to Russian authorities trying to revoke OS rights to fly into Moscow saying that OS is really a German airline since it belongs to LH.


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