SJU still serves a viable, sustainable and unique purpose in the AA network that a) cannot be replicated by any other AA hub, and b) cannot be replicated by any other U.S. airline without its own SJU hub.
Could be wrong, but I doubt we're going to see AA eliminate service - or even the hub in some form - in SJU.
aajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20866 times:
With B6's interline agreement in place, I suspect the rumor could have been somewhat real. Why is everyone so highly certain they wouldn't though? Hopefully someone on here could confirm. It was truly be sad if this was the case. None the less the AA part of the terminal is pretty depressing since the pullbacks last summer. Its no where near what it was.
CoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20700 times:
A few years ago they ended their 2 or 3 daily flights FLL-SJU. Maybe they'll cede most flights to SJU and operate the AA Eagle for connections. I get the feeling watching AA that the balloon is losing air. There's no excitement, no fizz anymore. No real expansion.
Because it's still a good operation for AA, even though it isn't what it used to be. Keep in mind, airlines have tried (and failed) to create at SJU what AA has. They won't simply abandon it to a competitor or group of competitors.
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jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 9536 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20645 times:
San Juan may no longer be a "hub". AA has a long history in San Juan, they acquired it when they merged with TransCraibean in 1970 or 1971. The Jetblue agreement contains any threat JB can be in teh Caribean, the caribean is important to AA's Miami hub and JFK operations. AA has lots of flights to San Juan important to its Tourism from many non-hub mainland cities and its DFW hub. Highly unlikely to happen.
Not necessarily "highly certain," but at least "highly doubtful" for the reasons already mentioned. San Juan serves a valuable place in the AA network that cannot be replicated anywhere else. And, in the scheme of things, San Juan is the absolute least of AA's challenges right now.
Quoting CoachClass (Reply 7): A few years ago they ended their 2 or 3 daily flights FLL-SJU.
Cutting Fort Lauderdale is a lot different than closing the entire hub. Fort Lauderale, like Orlando, was a route where yields had fallen through the floor because of a glut of low-fare competition, and since AA already has tons of capacity from South Florida to San Juan via Miami, it was no longer necessary to waste the resources fighting at Fort Lauderdale.
However, that in no way portends, in my mind, cutting San Juan completely.
When they cancel JFK-San Juan, then we'll talk.
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8): Because it's still a good operation for AA, even though it isn't what it used to be.
Right, and that means ... what? What does JetBlue flying BOS/JFK-SJU have to do with AA closing their hub there? AA couldn't hand those two core markets over to JetBlue and still maintain a regional network out of SJU.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 9691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20144 times:
What exactly are we talking about here? SJU is NOT a AA mainline hub. It's a fucus city. It's not that far fetched to see more mainline service "right sized" or transfered to Eagle. MIA is as good a Caribbean hub as SJU is and with the terminal expansion at MIA there's no reason why more Caribbean routes can't be consolidated at MIA. Whether that will actually happen or not is debatable but I certainly don't see it as unlikely as some people here make it seem.
A cash cow? If it were they would not have cut all the flights they did nearly 2 years ago (apprx 40% of their operation in SJU). I was asking by way of this post if anyone had any concrete information.
SJU is no way a cash cow for AA. Their operation there is a skelaton of what once way, just as the island is becoming...People are not going to Puerto Rico, and when they do, all you hear are nightmares or people unhappy about that experience.
PRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1189 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19863 times:
I could see AA further reducing SJU and maintaining service to only its hubs or core cities like: SJU-MIA, SJU-JFK, SJU-DFW, SJU-ORD, SJU-LAX; other markets could be "handed over" to jetBlue like BOS. AE would maintain its services from SJU-Caribbean and feed AA flights. That's in case AA and B6 do not merge. What's the obsession with these rumors??? AA could keep right-sizing SJU since its role as a hub is no longer there but maintain it as a focus city. SJU still needs access to daily connections to Europe, Deep South America, etc that other carriers serving SJU cannot offer. IB doesn't fly daily to SJU for example; business people want direct access every day if there's not a nonstop daily. B6 doesn't fly to MIA, AA will not cancel SJU-MIA...I highly doubt this rumor to be true. I could see AA moving to a smaller terminal in SJU or even combining its operations w/B6 (same terminal) in SJU; that would make good sense. Rumor is Crandall was in SJU last week doing some B6 related business...apparently that's when this rumor started. I guess it is blown out of proportion... :O
PRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1189 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19833 times:
After this summer, CO is drastically reducing service in SJU as well. At least for low season; AUG-NOV. They will operate only 1 SJU-EWR and 1 SJU-IAH (both 738s). Wonder why the reduction and downsizing of equipment. CO has operated up to 5 SJU-EWR and 2 SJU-IAH on 737/757/764s...I think it is a reflection of the economy in Puerto Rico. Hopefully the schedules will go back to normal for Xmas season. Not surprising AA would cut even more. AA has also downsized SDQ.
realsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19672 times:
Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 18): A cash cow? If it were they would not have cut all the flights they did nearly 2 years ago (apprx 40% of their operation in SJU). I was asking by way of this post if anyone had any concrete information.
Although yields are probably low, AA mailine domestic flights from SJU had an average load factor of 86,74% in 2009. With this huge amount of people flying AA (more than 2 million in 2009), I doubt that AA is going to reduce their current routes and frequencies. However, it is true that AA has lost almost a 20% of domestic market share in SJU in only 3 years, in favour of B6.
chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6360 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19463 times:
I doubt SJU is a cash cow for AA, however, I doubt we will see AA leave the SJU market. Do you think AA is going to leave the market and let all the other major US carriers (CO,DL, UAL, US) claim vistory over a market which a couple of years ago AA owned. I doubt that, even if it's for prides sake. I can possibly see SJU-MIA/JFK/SDQ only but a complete withdrawal from the market, I think that is unrealistic. Puerto Rico still has alot of AAdavntage members and some people who will not fly on B6, FL and NK and prefer to fly on AA. If they do leave the market entirely it means the Puerto Rican goverment has some homework to do and is a testament of the crummy job they are doing.
thrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19277 times:
Quoting aa1818 (Reply 17): I think a hub in the Dominican Republic could match if not beat SJU in terms of size, profitability and other metrics. Give it 5 years!
I'm going to disagree with you there. US carriers creating hubs in foreign countries raises a whole host of issues, the least of which is the issue regarding ICE. Why would any US airline do that when they could more easily operate out of FLL, MIA, or SJU?
: I could see AA eventually dropping BDL/TPA/IAD/PHL/BWI-SJU mainline if these flights are non profitable. AA could then keep the feeder AE service at S
: There is no way that AA would ever stop flying MIA/JFK/DFW/ORD-SJU under any circumstance.
: They likely would have trimmed them (or, in some cases, trimmed them permanently) with the last major round of cuts if they were not performing accep
: DFW/ORD can be dropped in a heartbeat, why not? You would just channel the traffic through MIA and I did mentioned MIA/JFK as destinations they would
: Why would they drop DFW/ORD-SJU? That would be dumb. The local market with minimal connections from DFW is enough to sustain at least one 738 flight
: First there was a thread about WN being asked to establish a hub in SJU. Now we have a thread about AA pulling out of SJU completely. Does anybody in
: Those are probably some of the stronger SJU-mainland flights since they have relatively little competition, particularly from LCCs.
: Well after SJU gave B6 free slots and reduced rates for other slots, AA has and continues to be undermined at SJU. If AA does remove itself from SJU a