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Alaska To Open PDX Pilot Base In June  
User currently offlineZKNBS From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8455 times:

Alaska Airlines will open its new PDX pilot base in June. This is leading to speculation that more new flights will be added beyond the recently announced seasonal Kona service. Anyone got any thoughts as to where Alaska might fly next out ouf PDX?

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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8359 times:

Maybe they could add ATL and thus DL could send those planes on that route elsewhere? Side note it is weird seeing Alaska jets on Concourse B in Atlanta but cool at the same time.


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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

From everything i've been hearing, AS/QX's recent initiative to increase market share in PDX has been working above and beyond expectations, so this announcement isn't a surprise. There will most certainly continued expansion in the PDX market. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the additions are simply increasing frequency and AS taking over a little bit of QX to California, but if we were to see new markets out of PDX, I would bet on EWR, MSP, perhaps a return to MCO, and possibly LIH.

I'm thrilled to see the initiative working. It's been a little disappointing with some of the cutbacks PDX has seen, so this comes across as a breath of fresh air.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1693 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8190 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
From everything i've been hearing, AS/QX's recent initiative to increase market share in PDX has been working above and beyond expectations, so this announcement isn't a surprise. There will most certainly continued expansion in the PDX market. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the additions are simply increasing frequency and AS taking over a little bit of QX to California, but if we were to see new markets out of PDX, I would bet on EWR, MSP, perhaps a return to MCO, and possibly LIH.

I'm thrilled to see the initiative working. It's been a little disappointing with some of the cutbacks PDX has seen, so this comes across as a breath of fresh air.

I don't know where the planes are going to come from. If PDX gets one additional flight, a flight is cut somewhere else in the network. Alaska will see its fleet increase by 2-3 airframes this summer but by the fall, two 737-700's and one or two more 737-400's will be returned to the lessor actually leaving Alaska down one or two airframes from the beginning of the year.

According to the things said to AS MVP's at Portland gatherings, the PDX expansion is suppose to be AS driven and not QX driven. The impression I have from the AS folks is they realize their frequent fliers don't like taking a Q400 to Oakland and San Jose and flying Horizon to the LA Area, so I'm expecting to see AS planes show up on OAK/SJC/BUR/ONT a little more.

And by the way, Horizon doesn't have any room to add more flights really. In fact they're suppose to be subleasing out one to three CRJ-700's this quarter which would reduce the fleet size. No Q400's are due for delivery this year.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8093 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 3):
I don't know where the planes are going to come from. If PDX gets one additional flight, a flight is cut somewhere else in the network. Alaska will see its fleet increase by 2-3 airframes this summer but by the fall, two 737-700's and one or two more 737-400's will be returned to the lessor actually leaving Alaska down one or two airframes from the beginning of the year.

Don't have an answer for you, I'm echoing a lot of what I've heard from management.

I do know that AS is looking at additional aircraft orders, and due to the success of the recent Hawaii flying, they're re-evaluating the 737-900ER, to see if it fits the needs of their network. (I personally don't think they'll end up ordering the 739ER, but they certainly seemed to have warmed up a bit to the idea lately)

Quoting n7371f (Reply 3):
And by the way, Horizon doesn't have any room to add more flights really. In fact they're suppose to be subleasing out one to three CRJ-700's this quarter which would reduce the fleet size. No Q400's are due for delivery this year.

Judging by LF and yields, I have a hunch that QX will cut some flights out of Boise. If they can make more money in PDX, they'll send them there instead.

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinebiggsfo From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 3):
The impression I have from the AS folks is they realize their frequent fliers don't like taking a Q400 to Oakland and San Jose

Personally I don't mind Horizon to the Bay Area. I like the Ala Carte service for my roller bag and the quick boarding/deplaning and the free beer. For an hour and a half flight they are easy and comfortable rides.

I would like to see more mainline to Southern California (as you stated) as well as more to Chicago, Denver and possibly new nonstops to Dallas, Atlanta and Newark.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5891 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7854 times:
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Quoting n7371f (Reply 3):
The impression I have from the AS folks is they realize their frequent fliers don't like taking a Q400 to Oakland and San Jose and flying Horizon to the LA Area, so I'm expecting to see AS planes show up on OAK/SJC/BUR/ONT a little more.

I wasn't aware that QX was flying Q400's to OAK from PDX. I thought they were all CRJ-700's. But I would take the Q400's over the CRJ-700's...despite the noise, I think Q400's are more comfy.


User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1876 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7819 times:

I'm surely betting an overall reduction in horizon's operations.

Alaska air group certainly doesn't expect that customers avoid the regional aircraft yet they certainly do.

The q400 just doesn't compete with jets as its louder, vibrates, and is still considerably slower on longer markets. Infact they don't even have reclining seats or lavatory water so I don't blame Alaska's mvp passengers. For being disgruntled with the product.

I believe virgin America could pose a real threat as they develop a following given the uniqueness of their brand associated with the younger corporate generations in Portland and Seattle.


User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7799 times:

This is good news. I work for UA at PDX, but I fly QX down to ONT many times a year. They need to bring back mainline on this route.

Everytime I walk pass councourse B at PDX, it looks like a dump. They removed half of the seating, it's really dark also. What are AS plans with these gates? I don't know when they will be getting back C1, since the temporary AS bagroom is on the gate.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7748 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 4):
I do know that AS is looking at additional aircraft orders, and due to the success of the recent Hawaii flying, they're re-evaluating the 737-900ER, to see if it fits the needs of their network. (I personally don't think they'll end up ordering the 739ER, but they certainly seemed to have warmed up a bit to the idea lately)

This question has been brought up within the company quite a few times, and I heard it brought up again just two weeks ago. The answer each time is no, we are happy with the -800 and it's capabilities and don't forsee ordering the -900ER anytime soon, if ever.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 9):
The answer each time is no, we are happy with the -800 and it's capabilities and don't forsee ordering the -900ER anytime soon, if ever.

IMO, AS is missing out on a great, great opportunity here with the -900ER. One does not know if it works if it hasn't been tried yet......



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User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7672 times:
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This is certainly good news for PDX if true (does anyone have a link to the source)?

This development might be related to the expansion of long-haul flights into PDX. As soon as the KOA flight is initiated in September, PDX will have 3x flights to HI (on the days PDX-KOA operates) + 1x daily to BOS.

If AS is eyeing expansion related to this, I'd like to see EWR, ATL and DFW (with possibly AUS and LIH). I know that redeyes are somewhat taboo with AS right now, but with respect to DFW, a red-eye flight could complement AA's 5 day-time flights.

just thinking out loud ........   

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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7581 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
IMO, AS is missing out on a great, great opportunity here with the -900ER. One does not know if it works if it hasn't been tried yet......

The biggest question holding them back at the moment is -- are there currently enough routes in the system that would consistantly fill up a -900ER to warrant another subfleet?

For now, the answer seems to be no, but that could change in the future if demand to Hawaii continues to grow, or if Boeing is able to squeeze in a bit more performance improvements. (At this point I'm echoing Jerry Gundlach's (AS manager of fleet/finance) words.)

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 12):
are there currently enough routes in the system that would consistantly fill up a -900ER to warrant another subfleet?

The 739 and 739ER is basically (keyword here: basically) the same airplane. The ER version is just a beefed up 739 with extra fuel tanks and extra doors and comes standard with winglets. I wouldn't consider that as another "subfleet", IMO. It would be an addition to its current fleet of 739's and can be ETOPS certified.

CO does this already, I believe.

Quoting Airport (Reply 12):
but that could change in the future if demand to Hawaii continues to grow, or if Boeing is able to squeeze in a bit more performance improvements. (At this point I'm echoing Jerry Gundlach's (AS manager of fleet/finance) words.)

They are growing in Hawaii.... If I were AS, I would take the opportunity now and grow from there.

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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5891 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7517 times:
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Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 7):
I believe virgin America could pose a real threat as they develop a following given the uniqueness of their brand associated with the younger corporate generations in Portland and Seattle.

VX is such a smaller player in the Pacific Northwest...they're are more of a competition nuisance than making any sort of the real dent in Alaska's numbers. They only serve SEA with a 4X to 5X to SFO and 3X to 4X to LAX...no service to PDX, YET.


User currently offlineZKNBS From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7289 times:

Here is the official ALPA update from February establishing the PDX Pilot Base

Management Posts Bid 2010-06, Creating a PDX Base

Management today posted Bid 2010-06, which, among other things, establishes a Portland base with 81 captain and 77 first officer positions. Additionally, it adds 19 captain and 22 first officer positions in Anchorage. There is, at the same time, a reduction of 90 Captains and 91 First Officers from Seattle and five captains from Los Angeles.

While this bid contains 13 currently unfilled positions, these open positions are not for furlough recalls. Management has forecast these open positions will be filled by pilots returning from leaves of absence.

Bid 2010-06 closes on Monday, February 15, at 1700 Seattle time, with a June 1, 2010, bid effective date.

The opening of a Portland base is a key initiative for the company for the coming year and is independent of the success or failure of the ongoing ETOPS discussions. As we have said, regardless of what management chooses to do with respect to staffing, we remain committed to working at the bargaining table to reach an agreement on a Seattle ETOPS base that protects the long-term interests of this pilot group.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 3):
I don't know where the planes are going to come from. If PDX gets one additional flight, a flight is cut somewhere else in the network. Alaska will see its fleet increase by 2-3 airframes this summer but by the fall, two 737-700's and one or two more 737-400's will be returned to the lessor actually leaving Alaska down one or two airframes from the beginning of the year.

I don't know if AS has enough planes or routes, but maybe they plan some kind of route optimization program similar to what WN has been doing. They've been opening new stations without having taken delivery of new airframes. I know some routes/frequencies were cut along the way, but others have been added too, so....



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7185 times:

I'm wishing and hoping for a PDX-TUS nonstop on mainline metal. Doubt it'll appear, but hey, I can dream, right?  
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
I wasn't aware that QX was flying Q400's to OAK from PDX.

They appear on PDX-OAK and PDX-SJC from time to time. They currently fly SEA/PDX-STS with the Q400s. Just too long for a prop plane for my tastes.

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 8):
I don't know when they will be getting back C1, since the temporary AS bagroom is on the gate.

Is that what that tent is? It's been there for the last few years. B4 also went away as QX expanded their A gate operation.


User currently offlineZKNBS From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

For fun I have posted a poll on my blog based on some of the suggestions for new Alaska PDX destinations that have been posted here. I have six choices to choose from. I would be interested to see what people think.

http://www.jet-age.net


User currently offlinebiggsfo From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Quoting ZKNBS (Reply 18):
For fun I have posted a poll on my blog based on some of the suggestions for new Alaska PDX destinations that have been posted here. I have six choices to choose from. I would be interested to see what people think.

Cool blog. Thanks!


User currently offlineZKNBS From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6872 times:

Quoting biggsfo (Reply 19):
Cool blog. Thanks!

Thanks. I just got it up and running last week.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
IMO, AS is missing out on a great, great opportunity here with the -900ER. One does not know if it works if it hasn't been tried yet......

That's what they thought with the original -900. Turns out the -800 does everything we want though. I don't think we're missing out on much.

I know they looked at the 900ER extensively, but there just isn't enough need for it at this time. As you said, it's basically the same airplane as the -900. So if we don't like the -900 now why would we care about a -900 with more range?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 21):
So if we don't like the -900 now why would we care about a -900 with more range?

It seats more people than the 738 does, right? With longer range. That can make AS more money on Hawaii ops.



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6409 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 17):
They appear on PDX-OAK and PDX-SJC from time to time

The midday SJC-PDX is scheduled as a Q400. Aaaaarg. 2:05 scheduled block is a bit long!

Tomas



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 22):
It seats more people than the 738 does, right? With longer range. That can make AS more money on Hawaii ops.

And we've already done the math and the -800 is the sweet spot to Hawaii. All I'm saying.


25 Post contains images hatbutton : It's really not that bad. I've flown the SEA-BIL leg on the Q400 which is about the same flight time. Yeah it's not a 737 but it's not a bad ride. An
26 biggsfo : Agreed. I've taken the turboprops to STS and not a bad ride at all. Again, I prefer the Barbie jets and turboprops on the hops to Northern California
27 wedgetail737 : It's been a while since I've flown QX "long haul." I think it was SMF-BOI. I think the next time for me will be SEA-RNO. I tried to get on some 1-stop
28 kbmiflyer : Wouldn't PDX - ORD make sense. Especially since AA seems to have dropped that route for good? Especially if they could get a code share with AA?
29 Post contains links Airport : AS Adding PDX-ORD (by Hatbutton Aug 11 2009 in Civil Aviation) Cheers! Anthony/Airport
30 TOMMY767 : I think PDX-EWR makes perfect sense. Doesn't CO only operates the route 1x a day with a 738?
31 biggsfo : They have one flight daily. I wish they would expand it further - maybe 3 times daily? I think Portland is the largest city in the US not served nons
32 SANFan : Congrat's to Portland on the new cockpit crew base! AS and PDX seem to be doing very well for each other and I'm sure things will continue to grow the
33 hatbutton : Per an internal company article, the PDX pilot base isn't necessarily related to further expansion. It said the total base will have 130 pilots and th
34 Post contains images surfandsnow : Try getting duped into flying LAX-SEA on a Q400 via STS . What should have been a nice 2 1/2 journey took over 5 hours in a bumpy, cramped turboprop
35 WeAreUnited : Alaska has never flown PDX-EWR. PDX-MCO was cut, yes. Flights were full, yields were awful.
36 Post contains images Tomassjc : However, the LAS-STS-PDX QX Q400 has saved many a NonRev when AS metal was full. It would be great to see at least another PDX-ORD.
37 Post contains images SANFan : Sounds typical of MCO flights... the kind of flight no airline really wants to commit an airplane to these days! Lots of folks talking about (read: w
38 CLEpirate : look for BOS, EWR, ORD, ATL, MCO, MSP and a reach MEM... AS being loyal skyteam member!
39 biggsfo : AS is not a member of Skyteam.
40 mtnwest1979 : An additional BOS would be nice. Flew back last week and nothing better than a middle seat for that run lol. I heard a guy behind me that said he flie
41 Post contains images Airport : AS has never flown PDX-EWR. Frequently checking loads between both SEA and PDX to BOS, it actually appears that PDX-BOS is performing better than SEA
42 wedgetail737 : AS is not a member of any alliance except with individual airlines, but they do support some Skyteam and Oneworld alliance members.
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