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DL To Officially Start Monrovia....?  
User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 8158 times:

I saw this article today...not sure if it's old news or not, but I thought that the Monvoria service was in the past planned but never initiated...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-...to-prnews-4249447197.html?x=0&.v=1

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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

It's a new update of old news. It looks like DL has finally received Liberian government and tentative US government approval to serve ROB. Some changes from the original service announced a while back. Initially ATL-ROB was to operate once weekly via Cape Verde on a 757. It looks like it is still one weekly service but is now operating on a 763 via ACC.


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

I believe ROB was supposed to start last year, but along with NBO the DHS considered it "too dangerous" and denied Delta the rights to operate the flights. Hope the flight will be granted this time, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

Interestingly, it currently looks like this flight will run in addition to the regular ATL-ACC flight, meaning there'll be 2 flights on ATL-ACC on Saturdays, albeit only in that direction.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

It's currently on the front page of DLNet, for those with access...


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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

DL is sticking to its guns. They haven't given up on ROB or NBO. Hopefully their persistence through this red tape will pay off one day.
Not sure what kind of 'dent" an initial single weekly flight will bring them though. I'm sure changes will come soon after launch.
I thought DL normally avoids "tag-on" flights.

[Edited 2010-05-25 14:00:49]


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User currently offlineflyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
Interestingly, it currently looks like this flight will run in addition to the regular ATL-ACC flight, meaning there'll be 2 flights on ATL-ACC on Saturdays, albeit only in that direction.

That doesn't make much sense. I thought the point of adding Monrovia as a tag on Accra was to initiate new service and stimulate to the level that it could eventually support its own NS service. Sending two seems like overkill

I do find it interesting that both DL and UA are planning on using ACC as a stop for other African cities. I am also surprized that DL picked ATL-ACC instead of ATL or JFK to DKR for the stop.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Yeah, I'm sure the flight crews are going to enjoy this place...

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-gui...l/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-3-of-8


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
Yeah, I'm sure the flight crews are going to enjoy this place...

There will not be any layovers in Liberia.



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1107 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

This is good news... perhaps they will make an announcement about LAD as well considering a bilateral was just negotiated between the U.S. and Angola.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 8):
There will not be any layovers in Liberia.

That's a very good thing.


User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1357 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

As I understand it Monrovia -- and Liberia in general -- isn't nearly as bad a place as it used to be.

FWIW, both Dakar and Accra are very enjoyable for anybody who is at least slightly adventurous. If you're willing to venture outside the city itself, these countries (Senegal and Ghana) are beautiful and the people very friendly (though more so in Ghana than Senegal). I've done a fair bit of traveling in both places.

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User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 8):
There will not be any layovers in Liberia.

That's a very good thing.

Unless, of course, the planes breaks down.


User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Why is this flight making the stop in ACC instead of DKR? Seems like a bit of a back track. I trust there is a reason but I just couldn't think of one. Perhaps someone is more inlightened than I.


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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Thread starter):
I thought that the Monvoria service was in the past planned but never initiated...

DL sold tickets for JFK-DKR-ROB (once weekly 757 service) right up until the day service was to commence, when DL was suddenly informed by the DHS that Liberia's airport did not meet international security standards. Strange, because it has been years since Venezuela's airports have been inspected by international security authorities, yet that issue hasn't stopped the U.S. from allowing its airlines to add flights to that country    .

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
Some changes from the original service announced a while back. Initially ATL-ROB was to operate once weekly via Cape Verde on a 757. It looks like it is still one weekly service but is now operating on a 763 via ACC.

Africa isn't the easiest place to do business, and thanks to endless red tape and security issues, DL's African network has changed several times.

The original plan was for SAL to be a transit point for all secondary African destinations, while DKR would be a technical stop for flights to Kenya and South Africa. 757s were to come in to SAL from JFK and ATL and go out to ABV, ROB, SSG, and LAD less than daily. Crews would enjoy layovers in idyllic Sal rather than dangerous mainland African cities.

However, when Equatorial Guinea and Angola flat out rejected DL's applications to serve them DL decided to route ROB and ABV through DKR, as it has a much stronger O&D market than Sal and was already a transit point for DL.

DL was never allowed to serve ROB and NBO, CPT was dropped from the network entirely, and ABV upgraded to nonstops from JFK, leaving DKR with the less than daily 757 service it has today.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
along with NBO the DHS considered it "too dangerous" and denied Delta the rights to operate the flights. Hope the flight will be granted this time, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

According to this site, there were serious, valid concerns over the safety of DL aircraft flying into NBO from day one.

http://www.diasporamessenger.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=53

Kenya is largely a peaceful, stable nation, but it has nonetheless been infiltrated by some very anti-American elements from neighboring Somalia. Securing the airport and its surrounding areas would be very herculean task for the Kenyan gov't.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 5):
I thought DL normally avoids "tag-on" flights.

Serving ROB isn't a "normal" thing. It is a very unique situation. DL still offers plenty of one-stop flights throughout Asia and even still flies AMS-BOM.

Quoting flyibaby (Reply 6):
I do find it interesting that both DL and UA are planning on using ACC as a stop for other African cities.

From the looks of it, UA won't be flying anywhere beyond ACC - I imagine the Nigerians are demanding something along the lines of 747 nonstops from IAD! We will have to see if the Ghanans give DL fifth freedom rights on the ACC-ROB sector.

Quoting flyibaby (Reply 6):
I am also surprized that DL picked ATL-ACC instead of ATL or JFK to DKR for the stop.

ACC seems to be a very strong market for the U.S. carriers. It is no coincidence that UA chose to serve it over DKR, CMN, CAI, JNB, or other African cities..

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
Yeah, I'm sure the flight crews are going to enjoy this place...

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-gui...-of-8

Liberia may not be a tourist paradise, but all things considered (years and years of brutal dictatorships and civil wars) they are doing quite well for themselves. You have picked out a video showcasing the absolute worst part of the city/country as they slowly emerge from repression and conflict. It looks like you are from New Orleans. Imagine watching a video only showing the 9th Ward and post-Katrina devastation rather than the French Quarter. Might give someone a pretty bad taste of New Orleans when it is indeed a great city!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 9):
perhaps they will make an announcement about LAD as well considering a bilateral was just negotiated between the U.S. and Angola.

Any details on the bilateral? I imagine DL is chomping at the bit to serve LAD. More than a few folks on my TAP EWR-LIS flight in 2006 were connecting onwards to Angola.

Quoting aviateur (Reply 11):
Monrovia -- and Liberia in general -- isn't nearly as bad a place as it used to be.

Exactly. Liberia is a lot like Rwanda - another small country that has overcome tremendous adversity to achieve peace and stability in spite of a terrible, violent recent past.

Quoting aviateur (Reply 11):
FWIW, both Dakar and Accra are very enjoyable for anybody who is at least slightly adventurous. If you're willing to venture outside the city itself, these countries (Senegal and Ghana) are beautiful and the people very friendly (though more so in Ghana than Senegal). I've done a fair bit of traveling in both places.

Cairo or Casablanca would be African cities for the "slightly adventurous". Dakar and Accra would be more geared for the "very adventurous"  .



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 14):
From the looks of it, UA won't be flying anywhere beyond ACC - I imagine the Nigerians are demanding something along the lines of 747 nonstops from IAD!

I noticed that too. IAD-ACC has been loaded and bookable for a while now, but no sign of LOS.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1312 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Interestingly World Airways charters flights from IAH-LAD, and with the new bilateral, DL may be able to serve the destination soon. I wonder if DL is still pushing for SSG flights to be allowed?

User currently offlineflyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Anyone else surprised to see a new once weekly market see a 767-300ER? I really expected to see this start even once weekly with a 757 similar to ABV.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 14):
From the looks of it, UA won't be flying anywhere beyond ACC - I imagine the Nigerians are demanding something along the lines of 747 nonstops from IAD! We will have to see if the Ghanans give DL fifth freedom rights on the ACC-ROB sector.

UA's 767 fleet has really been improved; I would be surprised if they really are in fact demanding a better aircraft.

Regarding 5th freedom rights - begs again the question - why not DKR then?


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Ok...This article confuses me a lot...

First off how many actual non stop flights does DL have from the US to Africa? Just 3?

Is the tag ons just because of the range for fuel ie, is it only bookable straight to Monrovia and NO ONE gets off at the tag on? What is the point of a tag on, and does DL have the right to sell flights between two African cities/countries?

To me the announcement should read Delta announces service to Monrovia from Accra, with continuing service from the US. When I read news of airlines starting intl flights nearly none of them are true, non stop flights, so to me I don't see it as a big deal at all.

Delta flies to 7 African cities, sure, but not all of them are truly non-stop from the US, if we could make the news like that in the US, Southwest with their one stop services would be making a SHITLOAD of announcements for their "new service", non stop or direct. Why does international service like that get treated differently?

Alex



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 18):
First off how many actual non stop flights does DL have from the US to Africa? Just 3?

DL flies nonstop to CAI (JFK), ACC (JFK with ATL starting soon), JNB (ATL), ABV (JFK), DKR (JFK), LOS (ATL). I don't believe that I am missing any. ROB will actually be DL's only one-stop route to Africa when it begins.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 18):
Is the tag ons just because of the range for fuel ie, is it only bookable straight to Monrovia and NO ONE gets off at the tag on? What is the point of a tag on, and does DL have the right to sell flights between two African cities/countries?

ROB is simply a very small market that wouldn't make sense as a nonstop from the US on a 763. If it was within the range of the 752, then you would likely see it being served nonstop.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 18):
Why does international service like that get treated differently?

For better or worse, international is still seen as being more prestigious than domestic. Unless I am mistaken, this is the first US flag service to Monrovia since PA pulled out. It just makes for better news than announcing a new one-stop to Peoria.



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