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BA Hints At B6 Partnership, OW Membership  
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11516 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...loser-ties-with-jetblue-walsh.html

Given AA's new arrangement with JetBlue, BA's Willie Walsh has opened the possibility of a BA/B6 partnership, and hints that onworld would be most interested in B6 joining the alliance.

He also takes a dig at LH's B6 investment: (Fair Use Excerpt)

"Walsh also expresses doubt over the benefit of JetBlue to Star Alliance carrier - and JetBlue shareholder - Lufthansa especially given the new merger between United Airlines and Continental Airlines.

"I'm not sureI just can't see the strategic value to Lufthansa of having that stake in JetBlue," he says. "I equally struggle to understand the strategic value to JetBlue of having Lufthansa as a shareholder. So there may well be opportunities for us going forward there."

Walsh says that he has already "made clear" to JetBlue that, if the carrier was interested in developing a relationship with BA, the UK airline would be "delighted" with the prospect, adding that Oneworld members would be "really pleased" if JetBlue considered possible membership of the alliance."


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User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11404 times:

Willy Walsh must be getting quite desperate for alliance partners: after OW was marginalized in Europe because of its reluctance to take in new members, he now risks being eaten alive on the all important transatlantic routes. seems like he has understood that if BA waits much longer to look for partners, they will be left pretty much on their own.

However, LH holds a controlling stake in B6 and has made it clear they do not intend to sell that stake. Why should they? They have piles of money, the B6 partnership helps them greatly getting more access ex JFK and it is a strategic stake indeed, much to the dislike of BA, so that in itself should make it worth holding on to.

BA is just daydreaming if they think LH will sell their stake in B6 to them, and let it join OW.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11290 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):


BA is just daydreaming if they think LH will sell their stake in B6 to them, and let it join OW.

No need to buy the B6 stake, and LH doesn't have veto rights on the B6 board if a majority of the board opted for oneworld.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11191 times:

This is not new. This was hinted out quite clearly back in March when the AA-BA deal was announced, and Arpey as much as said that he'd like to see B6 in oneworld, to which Barger replied that they are open to anything. Not much subtlety, there.

Beyond that, it's not that far fetched. If AA and BA are, indeed, getting closer, it is not too far of a leap to imagine them eventually moving towards a real codeshare and FF partnership, and beyond that it is even less difficult to imagine that deal being extended to other strategic airline partners which, when it comes to AA and JFK/BOS specifically, would definitley include BA.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
after OW was marginalized in Europe because of its reluctance to take in new members, he now risks being eaten alive on the all important transatlantic routes

With BA-IB-AA soon to come, I doubt BA is too worried about being "marginalized" across the Atlantic.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
However, LH holds a controlling stake in B6

False. They barely even hold a minority stake - if I remember correctly, less than 20%. That is not "controlling" in the slightest.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
and has made it clear they do not intend to sell that stake

Good for them. And that's relevant to this how?

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
BA is just daydreaming if they think LH will sell their stake in B6 to them

Walsh never suggested that LH sell its B6 stake to BA.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
and let it join OW

Again, B6 doesn't really need LH's permission. They can do just about whatever they want.


User currently offlineBeyondBristol From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11119 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
LH holds a controlling stake in B6

From what I recall, LH have far from a controlling stake in B6. In fact, under the much discussed ownership laws, it would be impossible for anyone outside the US to do so.

I think B6 would be a great addition to OW. Pitching themselves as a high-quality LCC, surely that's what the business market wants in the current climate?



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User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
and that's relevant to this how?

Well, if you think it is irrelevant the airline openly courted is in fact partially owned by your main competitor, then I'd suggest you take a deep breath and think again...

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Walsh never suggested that LH sell its B6 stake to BA.

Read his words again: he openly questions LH's stake in the airline as well as B6's happiness with having LH as a shareholder and continues with saying he's willing to develop a relationship with B6 himself. In fact he's saying the 2 would better part, so he's talking about more than just a codeshare, my friend.

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Again, B6 doesn't really need LH's permission. They can do just about whatever they want.

Of course they can. In theory they can show the middle finger to a shareholder and do whatever they please, telling them if they don't like it, they can always sell their share.

In the real word however, people talk to eachother and important shareholders aren't massively disregarded by management, especially not as LH is not 'just' another minority shareholder, but a strategic partner of much greater importance than just the percentage share.

Anyway, the bottom line remains: BA and in fact OW are well behind LH and STAR when it comes to global partnerships, so it is no surprise they now need to go as far as to openly court what I'd call satellite airlines like B6: it's because all the more obvious others are already lost to them and they have realised they've completely missed the boat.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
Willy Walsh must be getting quite desperate for alliance partners: after OW was marginalized in Europe because of its reluctance to take in new members, he now risks being eaten alive on the all important transatlantic routes.
BA-AA-IB JV/ATI will result in about 46% of TATL market share....that's not really "being eaten alive"..

BA-IB-MA-AY form a formidable European combination. S7 will help as well.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):

However, LH holds a controlling stake in B6 and has made it clear they do not intend to sell that stake.
LH's investment is almost irrelevant in terms of what B6 would want to do. They have practically no voting power. Not only that, LH is more interested in B6 making more money....be it in a competing alliance or not.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
They have piles of money, the B6 partnership helps them greatly getting more access ex JFK and it is a strategic stake indeed, much to the dislike of BA, so that in itself should make it worth holding on to.

With CO @ EWR and soon to possibly the largest carrier in the world (pending merger), LH won't have too much of a problem.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
BA is just daydreaming if they think LH will sell their stake in B6 to them, and let it join OW.

Er, think again..

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Beyond that, it's not that far fetched. If AA and BA are, indeed, getting closer, it is not too far of a leap to imagine them eventually moving towards a real codeshare and FF partnership, and beyond that it is even less difficult to imagine that deal being extended to other strategic airline partners which, when it comes to AA and JFK/BOS specifically, would definitley include BA.

  

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Walsh never suggested that LH sell its B6 stake to BA.

Read his words again: he openly questions LH's stake in the airline as well as B6's happiness with having LH as a shareholder and continues with saying he's willing to develop a relationship with B6 himself. In fact he's saying the 2 would better part, so he's talking about more than just a codeshare, my friend.

Again, LH is a bit more interested in having a return than anything else. Yes, I'm sure they would rather work with B6 over having B6 moving to OneWorld, but the interlining agreement with AA was a prelude to more things-it was practically telegraphed

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
so it is no surprise they now need to go as far as to openly court what I'd call satellite airlines like B6: it's because all the more obvious others are already lost to them and they have realised they've completely missed the boat.

Can't say B6 is a "sattelite"....they are quite formidable in the United States, and more important, in the "all-important" JFK market.

[Edited 2010-05-26 05:18:02]


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11036 times:

Quoting BeyondBristol (Reply 4):
I think B6 would be a great addition to OW.

They would. And, immediately they would dramatically bolster oneworld's already-strong presence in New York.

Quoting BeyondBristol (Reply 4):
Pitching themselves as a high-quality LCC, surely that's what the business market wants in the current climate?

Not just a high-quality LCC, but a high-quality airline in general. Their Coach product is light years ahead of AA's, for example.


User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

From all I read here and elsewhere I only get that BA wants to get into B6. I read nowhere that LH wants to get out.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

Doesn't AA and B6 overlap on a lot of routes out of JFK and if so whats does B6 bring to the OW table that AA does not?

Surely OW should be concentrating on bigger fish joining OW.....maybe US?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10999 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
so it is no surprise they now need to go as far as to openly court what I'd call satellite airlines like B6: it's because all the more obvious others are already lost to them and they have realised they've completely missed the boat.

Can't say B6 is a "sattelite"....they are quite formidable in the United States, and more important, in the "all-important" JFK market.

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
Quoting BeyondBristol (Reply 4):
Pitching themselves as a high-quality LCC, surely that's what the business market wants in the current climate?

Not just a high-quality LCC, but a high-quality airline in general. Their Coach product is light years ahead of AA's, for example.

  

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
Quoting BeyondBristol (Reply 4):
I think B6 would be a great addition to OW.

They would. And, immediately they would dramatically bolster oneworld's already-strong presence in New York.

  

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 9):
Doesn't AA and B6 overlap on a lot of routes out of JFK and if so whats does B6 bring to the OW table that AA does not?

No, not a lot of routes-that is why AA has worked with the slot agreements with B6-to increase JFK service.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 9):
Surely OW should be concentrating on bigger fish joining OW.....maybe US?

B6 is a big fish...US is for now dedicated to Star.

[Edited 2010-05-26 05:21:41]


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User currently offlinesevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 1):
However, LH holds a controlling stake in B6 and has made it clear they do not intend to sell that stake.

LH holds 19% of B6, that is not a controlling stake.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
No, not a lot of routes-that is why AA has worked with the slot agreements with B6-to increase JFK service.

I stand corrected.Just a thought, is it not a concern for AA that they face the prosepect of many "loyal" passengers prefering the product on B6 and not coming back?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
B6 is a big fish...US is for now dedicated to Star.

Hmm, I wonder if Star are dedicated to US though?  


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10859 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
Well, if you think it is irrelevant the airline openly courted is in fact partially owned by your main competitor, then I'd suggest you take a deep breath and think again

Don't condescend to me.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
Read his words again: he openly questions LH's stake in the airline as well as B6's happiness with having LH as a shareholder

And where does that suggest BA buying said stake?

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
In the real word however, people talk to eachother and important shareholders aren't massively disregarded by management

They can talk, but LH cannot stop them if they want to do a deal with BA - just like they couldn't and didn't stop them from making a deal with AA.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
especially not as LH is not 'just' another minority shareholder, but a strategic partner of much greater importance than just the percentage share.

LH is not really that "strategic" of a partner - no more so, in an operational sense, than AA for example.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
BA and in fact OW are well behind LH and STAR when it comes to global partnerships

Good or LH and STAR.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 5):
so it is no surprise they now need to go as far as to openly court what I'd call satellite airlines like B6

B6 is not a "satellite" airline - they are an exceptionally well-regarded U.S. carrier with a huge network and massive presence in the largest - and arguably most competitive - air market in the U.S. right now, New York.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10802 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 12):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
No, not a lot of routes-that is why AA has worked with the slot agreements with B6-to increase JFK service.

I stand corrected.Just a thought, is it not a concern for AA that they face the prosepect of many "loyal" passengers prefering the product on B6 and not coming back?

Since there aren't too many route-overlapping, I think it would work very well.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 12):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
B6 is a big fish...US is for now dedicated to Star.

Hmm, I wonder if Star are dedicated to US though?

So far, ostensibly, it seems they are. Even if they are not, US is still weak in JFK. I think B6 could add value to OneWorld...but that's something in the future.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10803 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
BA-IB-MA-AY form a formidable European combination. S7 will help as well.

I would not go and say formidable. OW lacks a big player in the German/French/Benelux region. They can fill the gap with AB before SkyTeam thinks about it.

Bringing AB would make it possible for OneWorld to offer flights between France and Germany and Austriad and Italy for the first time.



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User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Quoting severnaya (Reply 11):
LH holds 19% of B6, that is not a controlling stake.

To be fair, though, 16% (see page 7 of the 2010 Proxy Statement here: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...oaWxkSUQ9Mzg0NDk5fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1) of a major corporation held by another company in the same field, rather than an investment firm, is a pretty massive stake. While not controlling, LH is B6's single largest shareholder.

LH's stake should give it a lot of weight when it comes to decision making at B6.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
BA-IB-MA-AY form a formidable European combination. S7 will help as well.

I would not go and say formidable. OW lacks a big player in the German/French/Benelux region. They can fill the gap with AB before SkyTeam thinks about it.

Bringing AB would make it possible for OneWorld to offer flights between France and Germany and Austriad and Italy for the first time.

I didn't say "dominant" friend, only formidable-I'll stand by my statement. 

I think pax can fly many of the major European destinations via LHR, HEL, etc. I do agree however it would be smart to add AB....



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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10674 times:

Quoting BeyondBristol (Reply 4):
I think B6 would be a great addition to OW. Pitching themselves as a high-quality LCC, surely that's what the business market wants in the current climate?

And joining the one world bordello will spell the end of that neat little niche carrier in new York. They would now be the call girl in the US for BA, and somewhat to AA. I surely hope they don't go whoring around with the likes of these 2. Their
independent and unique style is what has made them what they are, not dancing in step with behemoths that are flailing and hemmoraging huge amounts of cash, and have huge labor problems.


User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10637 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
BA-IB-MA-AY form a formidable European combination

They are not; all European OW members (to the execption of MA, but they are TINY) are located way out of the center of Europe: as such they miss out on a great centrally located hub and have practically nobody but the British or Spanish using them to travel around from Europe.

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 8):
From all I read here and elsewhere I only get that BA wants to get into B6. I read nowhere that LH wants to get out.

Indeed, but as you can read here, all of that is just a 'detail' because LH is just a 'small and totally unimportant shareholder, that needn't be taken into account'... Rest assured reality is a little bit different and more complicated than what those people want to make it look like.  
Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
Don't condescend to me.

Did I?
Or is your ego so big it can not sustain being asked a pertinent question or be given an answer that more than matches your condescending question?

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
and where does that suggest BA buying said stake?

As said: learn to read between the lines....

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
They can talk, but LH cannot stop them if they want to do a deal with BA - just like they couldn't and didn't stop them from making a deal with AA.

Who said LH was against that deal with AA?

It's a long way from allowing an airline you have a shareholding in to work together with competitors, to letting it join a competing alliance. What may seem an obvious next step to you and to a totally unbound airline, in this case is made more than just a bit more complicated by the fact LH is holding a significant share in B6 and does not intend to sell that share... Failure to understand that, is proof of oversimplifying things really.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

AA/BA/IB should aggressively court jetBlue and USAirways to both join oneworld. It would create an interesting powerhouse and a more solid foundation for the carriers without the need of a merger. Now with UA/CO, USAirways role in Star is not that relevant.

User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10549 times:

Must be getting desperate over at OneWorld...prolly tired of *tar snagging carriers (or trying to) from them   Yeah the JFK feed is great for BA but B6 is spreading all over AA's stronghold in SoFla from a far cheaper base of operations at KFLL. Further..AA's reputation of saturating other members markets (TAM) and buying carriers to kill them (AirCal, Reno, TW) does not help. BA also has the possibility that LH will get BMI rocking and rolling and then fold Virgin into it ...not to mention their current labor issues....which AA shares also....especially with a highly suspicious pilot group of the current B6 deal let alone anything else down the road. B6 mgt has been pretty savvy so far...not sure they would want to go farther and get entangled in OneWorld issues right now.

User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

Honestly, of the three US alliance anchor airlines, AA is far more likely to play nice with B6 in NYC than either Delta or UA/CO.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 19):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
BA-IB-MA-AY form a formidable European combination

They are not; all European OW members (to the execption of MA, but they are TINY) are located way out of the center of Europe: as such they miss out on a great centrally located hub and have practically nobody but the British or Spanish using them to travel around from Europe.

MA/BUD is very centrally located. MA can easily expend if the need is there..S7 takes care of Eastern Europe (and the "Eastern Bloc") countries/cities. IB takes care of Western Europe.

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 21):
Must be getting desperate over at OneWorld..

Er, think again.....



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User currently offlinejfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10400 times:

BA and AA can both launch a bid to purchase up to 10% each of the B6 out on the open market without any announcement. Then What will anyone say when BA-AA hold 20% of B6 and LH hold's 19%.

25 Post contains images commavia : I know perfectly how to read between the lines. Your condescension doesn't make your point any more valid, no matter how much you wish it would. Will
26 Post contains images airbazar : WW should be looking at LH's profits and figuring out how to do the same for his airline before making comments on what is good or bad for LH Whatever
27 VinnieWinnie : Silly what you are saying: MAD is an ideal hub for all African/South American destination of OW due to its location. LHR is a great hub for America,
28 EMB170 : I thought we all agreed it would not be very advantageous to AA to buy out B6 unless/until AA ever manages to get their costs down. The sentiments ex
29 TWFirst : HA! That's pretty funny coming from you.
30 timboflier215 : I do think B6 would be valuable to OW; Star and SkyTeam don't really NEED B6, as they are already so massive in the US, and in NYC. Plus, as OW market
31 aa1818 : Under which jurisdiction does 19% ownership (can't confirm that it still is 19%) equate to a controlling stake? I think AB would be the crowning glor
32 charliecossie : airbazar: Just done a rough-ish calculation of BA and LH profits from 1999 to 2008. BA made 2.8 billion quid in profit. Depending on the exchange rate
33 EMB170 : RAM has been a DL partner for many years, and many have speculated they (and Air Algerie) may someday join SkyTeam. ET has already stated they intend
34 timboflier215 : Really, Royal Air Maroc and Arik are the only major African players left, and I do not know enough about either to say whether they would be valuable
35 Post contains links robffm2 : You do realize that B6 signed also an interline agreement with SA just a few days after their mishap with AA? http://atwonline.com/airports-routes...
36 Post contains images Jacobin777 : "Mishap"? ....they didn't do an extensive slot swap either....
37 peanuts : "strategic partner"??? I'd suggest you don't blink, you may have missed something. AA is on the move and workin' it with B6 as we speak. What the eye
38 AIR MALTA : but it is in Africa where you can make the better margins. Economy Class tickets to Dakar sometimes cost between EUR1000 and EUR1500 with AF. If you
39 einsteinboricua : Didn't Aer Lingus exit the alliance because they WERE turning into a LCC to compete against Ryanair? Would OW accept a LCC, no matter how great their
40 Post contains images aviationmaster : Oneworld had their big chance of having an ideally located central European hub (ZRH) when LX was about to join them, but in the end ended up blowing
41 Post contains images Jacobin777 : That might be true, but it doesn't take away from this: If the demand is there, MA could certainly increase the role of Central Europe quite well..
42 aviationmaster : Only if LH fails to successfully turn OS around, which I view as MA's main threat for the central European market. Besides that, BUD is no MUC or VIE
43 Post contains images airbazar : That all depends on how big the other investors are. I'd be curious to know who are B6's largest investors. 1999 was a long long time ago and you'd h
44 Jacobin777 : I don't disagree that BUD is no MUC or VIE...but as an alliance partner, booking tickets, getting/using FF miles, getting to Central European destina
45 spud757 : Wonder if BE will ever join OW or at least be a closer tied partner to the alliance. Like B6 on the other side of the atlantic BE is a LCC with some o
46 Delimit : From the link I posted above:
47 timboflier215 : That is a good point, but with virtually all the major African players gone, OW's only real hope in Africa now is to try and route pax through MAD an
48 aa1818 : I think that given the low level of priority in Africa oneworld should still get a couple of partners. Arik and Tunisair or something of the sort, an
49 BA174 : quote=slz396,reply=1]Willy Walsh must be getting quite desperate for alliance partners: after OW was marginalized in Europe because of its reluctance
50 Post contains images UAL777UK : Add in CO and UA to that equation! Is it still the same answer?
51 airbazar : And the second largest, FMR LLC is an investment firm where most of those shareholders are likely institutional investors. So yeah, it's pretty fair
52 Jacobin777 : Disagree here.. I agree here..
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