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Sleeping Passenger Left Inside Plane After Flight  
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7507 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15437 times:

This happened last night on a UAX (Trans States) IAD-PHL flight.

http://cbs3.com/topstories/Philadelp...ternational.Airport.2.1714867.html

Exerpt:

Records show flight 8080 arrived in Philadelphia from Dulles Airport at 12:27 a.m. The crew and passengers deplaned shortly thereafter.

It wasn't until 3:50 a.m. that a cleaning crew found McGuire still sleeping on the plane.

"I can't believe on a 50 passenger plane that nobody would wake someone up like that," traveler Trevor Hirz said.


Thoughts? Comments?


"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
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User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1026 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15419 times:

I believe a similar incident happened several months ago.

Why do I get the feeling that crews are being worked to hard that they don't have time to really check the plane at the end of the flight.


User currently offlinejetdudetim From United States of America, joined May 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15075 times:

I don't think that it is because how hard they work. Don't get me wrong, they work hard. At HP, because this had happened a few times, we had to created very specific procedures which included checking the Lavs, each row of seats and making a final announcement-not sure if all of those are in place now.

Why is this happening? Two things-just not paying attention-rushing to get off the plane.

Like everything in life, if we slow down just a little, we give ourselves the ability to do things right. The above procedures were really designed to get the crew to slow down and pay attention.

Just good ol' human habits at work!


User currently offlinej0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14582 times:

Happened not so long ago at YVR on Air Canada Jazz.

Crazy End Of Trip On AC (by CALRAMPER Apr 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4768601&searchid=4770675&s=air+canada+jazz#ID4770675

Jordan


User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14509 times:

As a CRJ flight attendant I just cannot imagine how that could happen. I don't care how tired I am or how much of a rush my pilots are in to get to the hotel, I ALWAYS walk to the rear of the plane checking all seats and the rear lav. On the way back up I check overheads and under the seats for any items that may have been left behind, you would be surprised how many phones, wallets and purses you find under seats.

SWA TPA



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User currently offlineadxmatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14057 times:

Since she works for a Detroit Radio and Cable TV station I wonder if she did this on purpose to see how long it would be to get noticed and to make it into a story?

Maybe not initially but after realizing she was left behind?? I can't sleep in those tiny seats. Let alone sleep through the landing and deplaning process and then for another 4 hours?


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2958 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13992 times:

Now, I would love ot oknow what happens if the PAX wake up, in the middle of the night, on some parked plane with probably (?) No jetway attached, and the door for sure not open. I guess you would call 911, or if the jetway was there, open the door, as I know how to. I don't know if other PAX know how to, tough. Probably not.


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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13862 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
Now, I would love ot oknow what happens if the PAX wake up, in the middle of the night, on some parked plane with probably (?) No jetway attached, and the door for sure not open. I guess you would call 911, or if the jetway was there, open the door, as I know how to. I don't know if other PAX know how to, tough. Probably not.

I would be afraid someone would think I was a terrorist, there is no way I would open the door without first calling 911 to let them know what was going on!



/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6374 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

Just a minor incident, nothing happened. Same thing happened to a colleague of mine, only on a train. The train had been parked at a strange and totally dark place, and he had no idea where he was. He had to walk over dozens of rails tracks in direction of some light to get back to the real world so he could see in which city he happened to be.

It might have happened to me a few times when returning from hard work business trips. But I always was so lucky that they made a rather bumpy landing to wake me up.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2958 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13756 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 7):
I would be afraid someone would think I was a terrorist

Good point, I had not tought about that.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13522 times:

Quoting adxmatt (Reply 5):
Since she works for a Detroit Radio and Cable TV station I wonder if she did this on purpose to see how long it would be to get noticed and to make it into a story?

Maybe not initially but after realizing she was left behind?? I can't sleep in those tiny seats. Let alone sleep through the landing and deplaning process and then for another 4 hours?

Now surely such a comment is bordering on deliberate sensationalism, and typical that an airline simply can't be at fault for anything....that something must always be a conspiracy. To be honest, if she did, I would congratulate her because she most certainly proved a point! Or was she wrong in highlighting that I wonder???

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 8):
Just a minor incident, nothing happened.

A minor incident????? I'm afraid being left asleep on a train is a world apart from what is being discussed, so I would certainly appreciate an explanation on how you see them as even remotely the same!!


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13010 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13334 times:

What I would be concerned with was if this was a UM, a person who had a medical condition that caused them to pass out or as we saw a month ago, someone with a handicap and forgotten. I do think there should be sound procedures to make sure checks are done to make sure the a/c is fully unloaded, not just of people, but their luggage and personal items left behind.

User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12983 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
hat I would be concerned with was if this was a UM, a person who had a medical condition that caused them to pass out or as we saw a month ago, someone with a handicap and forgotten. I do think there should be sound procedures to make sure checks are done to make sure the a/c is fully unloaded, not just of people, but their luggage and personal items left behind.

Very valid point. This has echoes of what happened to my late father, though not airline related. My father was due to travel from Edinburgh to Glasgow for a meeting. Usually he would drive through, but owing to huge roadworks on the M8 motorway that morning he decided to take the train. Apparently while having a short snooze he must have suffered a massive stroke in his sleep. He was found by passengers in Glasgow boarding the train for the return journey and only then was an ambulance called. Sadly he passed away in hospital 2 days later.


User currently offlinebobprobert95 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9851 times:

I don't know about any of you but I would love to be left on the plane alone. Don't think for a moment you a.nutters aren't going to take a little look/see around! I would!

I still remember the time I got to load my dog onto a NW flight to MSP from DCA. I could not believe they asked me to accompany and put him into the cargo hold. They had stairs that you had to go down and I led our black lab down the stairs while the staff brought the kennel was the reason I got to do it. Good times! (FYI, It was before 9/11)

JB


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2958 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9740 times:

Quoting bobprobert95 (Reply 13):
I don't know about any of you but I would love to be left on the plane alone. Don't think for a moment you a.nutters aren't going to take a little look/see around!

Other than finding a nice safety card, I would not want to get in trouble.

Thinking about that, When I got off the a/c I would call the airline demanding compensation in miles and brand new safety cards from each of their fleet. (I've got many from many airlines, but new ones never hurt.)

[Edited 2010-05-27 06:26:59]


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8894 times:

Usually get woken up to put my seat up, but once I was woken up after the plane parked by a rather nervous looking stewardess, I guess it depends as some have said if the airline does not have a proper policy in place.


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User currently offlinejosekmlb From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Kind of reminds me of school during 7th grade. Pasted out during 3rd period and woke up in 4th period damn teacher did not do his job to wake me up   

User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 15):
I guess it depends as some have said if the airline does not have a proper policy in place.

The following is quoted directly from my Inflight Service Manual -

Post-Flight Duties

- Ensure all passengers have deplaned and no belongings have been left on the aircraft (check overheads, wardrobe and lavatory).
- Ensure galley is clean.
- Perform aircraft grooming procedures if necessary.
- Collect all personal articles and deplane.



I would think all airlines have an end of day, terminating aircraft for the night procedure. I know my company certainly does and I follow it, the problem occurs when your crew members are in a hurry to get off the plane and to the hotel and they do not do their job properly. I would almost be willing to bet that Trans States requires the flight attendant to do a cabin walk through before leaving the aircraft and in this case that procedure was not done.

SWA TPA



I believe I can fly.....
User currently offlineterryb99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Quoting adxmatt (Reply 5):
Maybe not initially but after realizing she was left behind?? I can't sleep in those tiny seats. Let alone sleep through the landing and deplaning process and then for another 4 hours?

Sounds like an Ambien to me, lol


User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

Quoting bobprobert95 (Reply 13):
I don't know about any of you but I would love to be left on the plane alone.

I'll second that! Working for OH at DAY, I remember many a time taking a nice little nap in first class on the 757 (when we used to get them) until the crew showed.



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6721 times:

In a knee-jerk reaction, the TSA will ban sleeping on all flights to, from, and within the United States. Crewmembers must enforce this regulation immediately. If a passenger falls asleep, the flight must divert to the nearest airport and the sleeping passenger will be arrested.   

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24658 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
What I would be concerned with was if this was a UM, a person who had a medical condition that caused them to pass out or as we saw a month ago, someone with a handicap and forgotten. I

It could also be serious if the aircraft was towed to a parking spot in the open on a hot day and the aircraft doors were closed. The cabin would quickly become very hot and without any ventilation it would not be pleasant. Equally dangerous in very cold weather where the aircraft may be parked in the open overnight.

[Edited 2010-05-27 13:59:47]

User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

Didn't United just lock a blind passenger in a plane earlier this month at ORD?
Blind Woman Locked In Deserted Plane (by WestJetYQQ May 15 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4811128&searchid=4811128&s=blind#ID4811128

[Edited 2010-05-27 17:53:21]

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Another article from CNN

Passenger who was locked in empty plane sues airlines

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinemalexander131 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

False imprisonment??? Emotional Distress?

Seriously, wasn't she asleep for most of that time?

Negligent or not, it was an accident... It's not like she was being forced to stay in the plane...



"It's the little room in the front of the plane where the pilots sit, but that's not important right now."
25 sasd209 : If I was 'locked' on a plane and REALLY wanted to get out, would not activating an emergency exit fix that problem? Surely she was awake during the p
26 Post contains images Dizzy777 : rofpmsl Don't tempt the TSA, they will probably try to do it!
27 Post contains links and images LoneStarMike : Actually, the blurb about this on USA Today's website notes: All that just to get from DTW to PHL? I'd probably be exhausted, too. LoneStarMike
28 flyfree727 : Welcome Passenger Bill of Rights...no delays.. just cancellations AA ORD
29 UAL747DEN : I am very sorry to hear about your father, may he rest in peace. That stuff is evil! I apparently got up out of bed after taking this stuff and went
30 nws2002 : As a former CRJ flight attendant I'm not sure how it could happen either. It takes less than 30 seconds to walk to the back of the aircraft, and half
31 TravellerPlus : Who cares if they were locked on a plane! Can someone please explain how to sleep soundly for 4 hours in an economy class seat?
32 AR385 : A classic. I read in the news that she is suing for something between 25,000 to 75,000 USD. It doesn´t seem too unreasonable.
33 NASOCEANA : Is the no PST (Primary, Secondary and Tertiary) checks for the flight crews? When I worked at FedEx as a Team Leader we had to do PSTs after every shi
34 DualQual : The sad thing is you might be right!
35 allegro : DITTO! I would love to poke around for awhile before "declaring an emergency." ... wouldn't push any buttons or stuff but that would be fun, for a wh
36 Post contains images CO777DAL : And a few more incidences like these and people wont have to complain about saving the tulip and the United name doesn't look right in in Continental
37 Post contains images dxing : ?? Those seats are HUGE! But worth 75K somehow! I agree with adxmatt, seems to me like this might have been a setup. Her demeanor on her TV interview
38 eta unknown : I'd call 911 and give them 15 minutes to liberate me or else I'm opening the emergency exit. Lawsuit- don't like her chances. Give me at least 100,000
39 ilovepabst : Totally reasonable as a punitive damage. What if she didn't wake up? I'd like to hear the airline explain how they left a dead passenger on board for
40 CoachClass : The captain is ultimately responsible. The Captain (or co-pilot) does a walk around before flights to check the plane and he should do so inside at th
41 580FA : As a flight attendant, I have had a handful of passengers over the years just remain in their seat on arrival. Almost always, these have been darling
42 rwSEA : Question: If she was able to check the time on her phone, why didn't she call for help?
43 JAL : I smell a big lawsuit from what happened! Hard to believe something like this happened let alone on a small regional jet!
44 prebennorholm : Don't give me ideas. Maybe I will try it out next time I visit the US as a way to get rich. Or maybe it is not worth the effort? The lawyer will take
45 dxing : But she did. But she didn't and it didn't. If we play that game I could say well what if the plane had crashed everytime I get on board just to get s
46 iairallie : Yeah how is that your teachers job? He's not your mommy.
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : There is still the liability. If the plane crashes, they (insurance) pays out the pocket. Had something happened to that a/c on the ground with no cr
48 ilovepabst : I agree that her actual experience was not that traumatizing, that's not my point. The airline violated safety and security rules by blatantly neglec
49 dxing : So if she staged the event (possible) and did something to the aircraft she would still be liable for punitive damages? Wouldn't it have been much ea
50 580FA : I should think I am stating the obvious, but: All the "what if's", and questions about the passenger's intentions or motivations would be moot points
51 toobz : Oh this woman makes me sick. I saw her on CNN with a huge stupid smile on her face while she was giving the details. Hardly looked emotionally distres
52 AR385 : At first sight this looks like a case of incompetence bordering on negligence. Whose? It might seem that it is the F/A´s, but I do not know the proce
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