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Why Are There CO 737's At Renton With No Winglets?  
User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

I was driving by CO's newest focus city, KRNT, and noticed their fleet of new 737's don't have winglets, any idea why? I'm having a hard time imagining why any 737 wouldn't have the winglets installed. I also though that the 700/800/900 all supported winglets?

[Edited 2010-05-26 15:00:15]

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User currently offlinestar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

CO installs the winglets separately. All CO 737s have winglets fitted before entry into service.

User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting star_world (Reply 1):
CO installs the winglets separately. All CO 737s have winglets fitted before entry into service.

interesting that they install them separately. I would have guessed there would be significant cost savings having them installed at the time of manufacture.


User currently offlinestar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

I'm sure they've done the numbers. There must be a financial benefit to doing it the way they are, probably due to negotiating very low rates to get the work done separately.

User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1674 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6193 times:
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Quoting rgreenftm (Thread starter):
I was driving by CO's newest focus city, KRNT, and noticed their fleet of new 737's don't have winglets, any idea why? I'm having a hard time imagining why any 737 wouldn't have the winglets installed. I also though that the 700/800/900 all supported winglets?

They're flown to Orlando (MCO) and installed at the heavy maintenance base on the airports west side.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1674 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6162 times:
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The 900ER's were delivered with winglets from Boeing. That's why most of them flew to LAX and IAH on delivery. I believe the difference between the -800's and the -900ER's lies in the contracts. The -800's are part of a large order filed many years ago and the cost Boeing was going to charge CO to factory install the winglets was higher than what CO could do themselves at MCO. The -900ER's were delivered under different terms (contact) than the -800's I believe.

User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
The -900ER's were delivered under different terms (contact) than the -800's I believe.

The 900ERs come with Winglets standard.



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User currently offlineDizzy777 From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 2):
I would have guessed there would be significant cost savings having them installed at the time of manufacture.

You would think so, but, no..

The airline i used to work for was given a quote by boeing for winglet installation during manufacture, that quote was $1mil more than having them installed by a 3rd party after delivery. A fact the CFO was quite willing to share when pressed on the issue of why a 3rd party MRO was working on our aircraft when boeing could have done it.


User currently offlineleftwing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

3rd party MRO are always lower cost compared to OEM. Typically OEM should be in the business of making airplanes and thats all... they do a terrible job of services provided to airlines....

User currently offlineangelmonsteral From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Conti...d=b686b66ce87d07578477d3fa4f46e012 http://www.airliners.net/photo/Conti...d=b686b66ce87d07578477d3fa4f46e012 I think that if they dont have winglets must be for one of this 2 main reasons 1 they are repairing the airplane or they are making some tests like the 738 you saw here.And 2 they are adquired from other airlines like the 735 you see here.I think those 2 are the main reasons.


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4294 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Quoting angelmonsteral (Reply 9):
I think that if they dont have winglets must be for one of this 2 main reasons 1 they are repairing the airplane or they are making some tests like the 738 you saw here.And 2 they are adquired from other airlines like the 735 you see here.I think those 2 are the main reasons.

No, the earlier replies were right though. Continental has some NEW 737s waiting to be delivered at Renton, in another thread I heared about delays with the seats. They are not buying 2nd hand 737s.



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User currently offlineflypba From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Continental gets its seats from Koito (who is partly owned by Toyota). They falsified a lot of their safety data and they have to re-certify their seats with the FAA.

The 737s at Renton were awaiting this to happen ... however I have heard that they are going to use the same vendor that Alaska Airlines uses in the meanwhile so they can place the planes in service.

Koito may no survive this scandal.


User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
The 900ER's were delivered with winglets from Boeing. That's why most of them flew to LAX and IAH on delivery. I believe the difference between the -800's and the -900ER's lies in the contracts. The -800's are part of a large order filed many years ago and the cost Boeing was going to charge CO to factory install the winglets was higher than what CO could do themselves at MCO. The -900ER's were delivered under different terms (contact) than the -800's I believe.

You are correct. The 738's are part of an order we placed with Boeing before they offered winglets. We install them here in MCO during induction.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 10):
Quoting angelmonsteral (Reply 9):
I think that if they dont have winglets must be for one of this 2 main reasons 1 they are repairing the airplane or they are making some tests like the 738 you saw here.And 2 they are adquired from other airlines like the 735 you see here.I think those 2 are the main reasons.

No, the earlier replies were right though. Continental has some NEW 737s waiting to be delivered at Renton, in another thread I heared about delays with the seats. They are not buying 2nd hand 737s.

Those are our aircraft. Notice the "24" in the model number, 737-524 and 737-824, that's CO's customer number asigned to us by Boeing. All CO aircraft ordered from Boeing will have "24" until we merge with UA then it will be "22".



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User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

I found out the cost difference between Boeing installing winglets in the factory vs. CO maintenance installing them at MCO. Boeing was going to charge us 1.5 million per aircraft for factory installation. MCO installation cost is roughly half that rate at 750,000. A no brainer.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Thread starter):
I was driving by CO's newest focus city, KRNT

I did not know that RNT was CO's newest focus city, let alone fly to RNT! I am sure that is a simple mistake....  



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 14):
I did not know that RNT was CO's newest focus city, let alone fly to RNT! I am sure that is a simple mistake....

Perhaps just a heavy dose of sarcasm, considering the high number of undelivered CO aircraft sitting around RNT and BFI  .


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