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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17029 times:

So continuing from thread #76 NZ Thread #76

Heres thread #77.

To summarize #76, the things being discussed included:

-CO is starting IAH-AKL next year using 788s
-AKL is trying to develop the Asian tourist market
-ATR thinking of designing a newer turboprop seating 90ish PAX (Possible AT7 replacement)
-77W and use of internet & Mobile phones on board
-NZ and its tie up with Virgin Blue
-NZ increasing capacity to certain places
-CZ comming into AKL
-NZ being ranked 5th according to Skytrax
-Plastic cutlery used on NZ flights (who cares)
-The Feasibility of TG flying AKL-BKK

And how sad it will be to see 747s leave NZ ports in the next few years, also Jeremy Clarkson calling the 777 'rubbish'  

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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16991 times:

From last thread - Unclekoru - -Continental Micronesia have recently been operating NAN-HNL. The flights originate in Guam, and fly GUM-NAN-HNL. They started twice weekly with 738s, but went down to weekly.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16927 times:

I've just been on the QF website and seen that July 5 and 6 could be the last 2 TT ops between AKL and SYD by a QF 744.. These 2 are the remaining aircraft to come back while being replaced by A332s on the LAX run. I wish I had the money to jump on that plane! Heavies across the Tasman are just such a great way to fly.


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User currently offlinezkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16760 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
I've just been on the QF website and seen that July 5 and 6 could be the last 2 TT ops between AKL and SYD by a QF 744.. These 2 are the remaining aircraft to come back while being replaced by A332s on the LAX run. I wish I had the money to jump on that plane! Heavies across the Tasman are just such a great way to fly.

huh? QF doesn't operate 744s between AKL and SYD (at least on a regular basis). The 744s operate BNE-LAX-AKL-LAX-BNE with no trans-Tasman flying. The A332 on the other hand will fly SYD-AKL-LAX-AKL-SYD.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16741 times:

Quoting zkpilot (Reply 3):

I know. But to get the 744s back to Australia, they head straight home from AKL and the A332 which takes over from the route you just gave above heads to LAX on those 2 days. Take a look at the schedules. It's written in as a 744 on both those days, July 5 and 6 QF114.



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User currently offlinemacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16361 times:

The public version of the Air New Zealand-Virgin Blue group alliance New Zealand application was posted on the Ministry of Transport's web site this afternoon.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16286 times:
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Quoting macilree (Reply 5):

Interesting read! Will be nice to see more choices on WLG-SYD and WLG-MEL. Wonder if DJ will provide the extra 2x weekly MEL services


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16267 times:

Quoting macilree (Reply 5):
The public version of the Air New Zealand-Virgin Blue group alliance New Zealand application was posted on the Ministry of Transport's web site this afternoon.

On page 83 it says Malaysian Airlines is a Star Alliance member!!!


User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16257 times:

Quoting macilree (Reply 5):
The public version of the Air New Zealand-Virgin Blue group alliance New Zealand application was posted on the Ministry of Transport's web site this afternoon.

As a small aside, I see that Air NZ was not able to provide an accurate route map in it's application. It inculdes NSN-HLZ, NSN-PMR and CHC-OAM, none of which are currently operated. No major but you'd think someone might have checked it!

Page 31 of the public verson also breaks down reasons for travel by route. No surprises there.

[Edited 2010-05-28 01:20:53]


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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16096 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
I've just been on the QF website and seen that July 5 and 6 could be the last 2 TT ops between AKL and SYD by a QF 744.. These 2 are the remaining aircraft to come back while being replaced by A332s on the LAX run. I wish I had the money to jump on that plane! Heavies across the Tasman are just such a great way to fly.

Isn't the 332 nicer?!

QF's 744s will probably be back as substitutes when there are higher seasonal or occassional demands.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 9):
Isn't the 332 nicer?!

About the same.. Depends on which ones they use but if it's the old IFE, then there isn't much difference. Anyway it's not every day you get to fly across the Tasman in a 744..



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15438 times:

Quoting macilree (Reply 5):
The public version of the Air New Zealand-Virgin Blue group alliance New Zealand application was posted on the Ministry of Transport's web site this afternoon.

Have only had a quick skim but some of the logic seems a little wonky.

For instance, the proposed alliance will not include each carrier's respective domestic routes (except those connecting to a Tasman flight - hmmmmm, seems like that could cover a fair few, no?) but Air NZ's rationale for pursuing the alliance is that it continues to suffer because it does not have an Australian feed.

But this alliance isn't supposed to provide an Australian feed, if I read it correctly, so... huh? Or have I misread?

EDIT: Actually I see now that it's supposed to boost NZ's traffic by giving access to "points behind the main Australian gateways". Perhaps, but if I was the MOT I'd be asking for data showing this ton of pax NZ is missing out on that are travelling to New Zealand from outside SYD, MEL, BNE, OOL, CNS, ADL and PER.

They also talk about reducing "wing tip flying" when a Virgin flight leaves within minutes of an NZ service on the same route. Wouldn't competition authorities look at that and immediately baulk? I mean, really, in essence they're talking about reducing competition. Instead of two 6am departures from AKL to MEL, there'll only be the one, for example.

I'm not sure NZ has presented a particularly compelling case here. But I'll reserve judgement till I've had a more thorough read-through.

[Edited 2010-05-30 05:55:56]

User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15253 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 10):
Anyway it's not every day you get to fly across the Tasman in a 744..

Daily Air NZ 744 to BNE?

Quoting ZKSUJ (Thread starter):
-CZ comming into AKL

Does anyone know when this will start, with what aircraft? 332? and what times?
CZ offer a decent product from what i have seen, with meals that i like the look of. Its a shame that they are not star alliance. Is this really the optimal time for Air NZ to be downgrading from a full service offering on the Tasman? I would argue not.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Thread starter):
-CO is starting IAH-AKL next year using 788s

I am looking forward to this, will be great to see these birds in AKL. As for travelling to the US east coast, i think that i would rather fly through SFO, a great transfer hub, with many east coast transcons. Also the first leg to SFO is a bit shorter, so more bearable. Also, the US transcon may well be a larger aircraft such as 757 or 767 giving greater comfort than many of the operations out of IAH (could alo be a 757, but likely to be smaller). And you get the better Air NZ home airline airpoint earning rates,and possibly better service, dear i say it, on NZ than Continental / United. However, i prefer the Continental bizfirst seat- as it actually faces forward so you can look out the window unlike these NZ models (suprised there going in the 77W as Cathay has recognized the flaws of them, and is phasing them out, keen to remain a 5* airline (NZ is 4*)). I'm sure many will dissagree


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15239 times:

Noted in the tourist figures for the 12 months ended April that all main sources of New Zealand's foreign visitors (except Australia) were down in numbers over the previous 12 months, and for all destinations the spend was down by more than the decline in numbers (in Australia's case, the spend was up, but not by as much as the increase in numbers). So not only did New Zealand have fewer visitors, but they spent less per person as well.

Except for one destination - China. Yes, the number of pax were down 11.2% over the previous year, but the spend was UP by 17.1%. Which shows, perhaps, that finally we are starting to get higher spending (and presumably higher-yielding) Chinese visitors to NZ. I appreciate that one swallow does not a summer make, but it's not a bad direction to be heading, and one which may justify NZ's determination to make something of the Chinese market..



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User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15201 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 11):
They also talk about reducing "wing tip flying" when a Virgin flight leaves within minutes of an NZ service on the same route. Wouldn't competition authorities look at that and immediately baulk? I mean, really, in essence they're talking about reducing competition. Instead of two 6am departures from AKL to MEL, there'll only be the one, for example.

I don't mind less competition in the morning (as an example) if the payoff is a better spread of times over the day with co-ordinated schedules (and more connection options ex MEL/SYD/BNE).

Quoting timb777 (Reply 12):
Daily Air NZ 744 to BNE?

I think it's a 777 now.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15192 times:
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Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 14):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 11):
They also talk about reducing "wing tip flying" when a Virgin flight leaves within minutes of an NZ service on the same route. Wouldn't competition authorities look at that and immediately baulk? I mean, really, in essence they're talking about reducing competition. Instead of two 6am departures from AKL to MEL, there'll only be the one, for example.

I don't mind less competition in the morning (as an example) if the payoff is a better spread of times over the day with co-ordinated schedules (and more connection options ex MEL/SYD/BNE).

I fully with you UncleKoru. Not everyone is a 3.30am wake up person just to catch a 6am flight. The majority of the flights depart between 6-7am


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15151 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
I fully with you UncleKoru. Not everyone is a 3.30am wake up person just to catch a 6am flight. The majority of the flights depart between 6-7am

But that misses the point, quite glaringly actually, given that a significant number of flights do depart in the early morning.

This will effectively reduce competition, especially for business pax who are looking for a day trip to Oz. If one airline pulls out of early-morning departures altogether, they're stuck with fewer choices. Leisure pax may (MAY) benefit from a spread of flights across the day, but that has to be weighed against business pax.

Virgin claim they're missing out on business traffic, however, so perhaps they have so little share of the market that it doesn't matter. However, by their sheer presence at these times, they maintain competitive pressure on NZ and QF, keeping prices lower.

From a competitive authority perspective, I think this could be a sticking point.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15137 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 13):
Except for one destination - China. Yes, the number of pax were down 11.2% over the previous year, but the spend was UP by 17.1%. Which shows, perhaps, that finally we are starting to get higher spending (and presumably higher-yielding) Chinese visitors to NZ. I appreciate that one swallow does not a summer make, but it's not a bad direction to be heading, and one which may justify NZ's determination to make something of the Chinese market..

Does it include Chinese buying real estate properties? China is putting a lot of restrictions on second home buyers. Wealthy Chinese with a lot of cash need to spend it somewhere. Especially those with children studying in New Zealand and the exchange rate is in their favour. If you add the value of properties then the increase in spend is not surprising.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15071 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 16):

Yes the point of business travel in the morning is important but one part of what you said is that DJ is missing out on business traffic. Removing PacBlue won't make much difference to business traffic because DJ say they can't get enough. If DJ move its flight departures to a mid morning(10am)/midday/early afternoon (2pm) time slot then business traffic won't miss much because NZ will maintain its early morning departures from all three major NZL airports, QF will obviously also keep its 6am departures and the NZCC and ACCC will both make sure NZ and DJ keep their promise that no passengers will suffer from price rises.

I think one question that needs to be answered is a question to QF - Will QF keep all their early morning departures from AKL, WLG and CHC or are QF planning on giving up some of their early flights to JQ from AKL, WLG and CHC.

Maybe if QF will keep all their 6am flights and DJ moves its 6am departures to either a 10am/12pm/2pm departure time frame then QF/JQ could move JQs flights to DJs new times


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15068 times:

We are keen people who read through these AirNZ submissions. ( I wonder if anyone from the Listener will read the submission.) I did see one major proof reading lapse on one page when Pacific Blue was written, when they meant to write Polynesian Blue - somebody was not drinking enough coffee that day.

Anyone remember the Qantas AirNZ submission a few years ago? One of the fun parts of that document was where the submission showed the proposed joint timetable for Southern Summer 06/07, if they had got approval. It showed which airline would provide the plane, which type (whether Qantas would use a 738 or 734). It included Freedom and Jetstar flights in the timetable. That proposal did involve each airline doing some city pairs on behalf of both of them. There were complaints from people in Wellington that they would not be able to fly WLG-MEL or AirNZ because Qantas would be operating those flights. Some city pairs got each airline to operate on alternate days - which is one way of eliminating wingtip to wingtip flying.

But, this proposed timetable is one of the confidential annexes in 2010. Why public knowledge in 06, but not in 10? Perhaps they do not want Qantas to know what their timetable will be.

Surely eliminating one airline from a given city pair, or alternate day flying is the only way you can get rid of wing tip to wing tip flying. Unless Pacific Blue intend to stop having planes based in NZ.

VirginBlue have said this is about improving yield for them, so why would they just code share on AirNZ flights that carry business travellers, and operate the leisure routes themselves?


Wingtip to wingtip flying is done by AirNZ and NZ based Qantas services - no wonder Pacific Blue struggles, when it is the third airline on each of the Trans Tasman city pairs where it operates. To be truly complementary, the Pacific Blue flights would be operated by Australian based crew. It used to be that the only Qantas flight of the day between SYD and AKL left SYD late morning and returned from AKL at 6pm - completely different times from AirNZ.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15067 times:
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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15065 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 19):
Anyone remember the Qantas AirNZ submission a few years ago? One of the fun parts of that document was where the submission showed the proposed joint timetable for Southern Summer 06/07, if they had got approval. It showed which airline would provide the plane, which type (whether Qantas would use a 738 or 734). It included Freedom and Jetstar flights in the timetable. That proposal did involve each airline doing some city pairs on behalf of both of them. There were complaints from people in Wellington that they would not be able to fly WLG-MEL or AirNZ because Qantas would be operating those flights. Some city pairs got each airline to operate on alternate days - which is one way of eliminating wingtip to wingtip flying.

But, this proposed timetable is one of the confidential annexes in 2010. Why public knowledge in 06, but not in 10? Perhaps they do not want Qantas to know what their timetable will be.

I think releasing the proposed timetable publicy back in 06 could be one of the reasons why NZ and QF got rejected because of the consumer complaints.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15030 times:

Some things I do not quite understand - the statement that PacificBlue does mainly Point to Point flying. Out of Dunedin, where we have DJ operating DUD-BNE, they promote connections to SYD and MEL via BNE, an alternative to doing the connection via CHC. I wonder if these through fares will survive after the alliance. DUD-PER via BNE is OK, though this is one route wher the AirNZ service through AKL would give us the 767
















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User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14978 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 16):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
I fully with you UncleKoru. Not everyone is a 3.30am wake up person just to catch a 6am flight. The majority of the flights depart between 6-7am

But that misses the point, quite glaringly actually, given that a significant number of flights do depart in the early morning.

If I was a business traveller, maybe I would have a different perspective, something like this?

If I am still able to take the 0600 or 0700 flight ex WLG (CHC or AKL as well I presume) for SYD, Complete a days work ( or a few days for that matter) and return on NZ at 1800, while having the choice of using a DJ flight schedued for an alternative time period (say SYD/WLG 0800 Dep and WLG/SYD 1600 Dep) that allows me to earn points and use the koru lounge then how am I worse off? Where I currently have access to a single daily direct flight to SYD from WLG (& CHC) during winter that will allow me to make use of my status as a Gold or *Gold, I now have the choice of two. Not every business traveller neds to be in SYD by 0800 in the morning either. If I no longer have a choice of an early morning departure on DJ or NZ, that's of no concern to me - assuming the products are similar. Price? I'm a business traveller, I don't care too much if the fares have gone up a $100 as yield improves, but the airline will and if that helps improve the sustainability of their TT ops then I as far as I'm concerned, that's good for me too.

One of the reasons for the large number of early morning departures is aircraft utilisation. Look at the CHC-MEL and CHC-BNE schedules, do you think that the early morning departure times are driven by pax demand on these routes?

The above comments are based on a few assumptions, that ex WLG, NZ/DJ will operate something along the following lines WLG-SYD-???-???-SYD-WLG with DJ operating CHC-SYD-WLG-SYD-CHC or similar.



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14898 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
Yes the point of business travel in the morning is important but one part of what you said is that DJ is missing out on business traffic. Removing PacBlue won't make much difference to business traffic because DJ say they can't get enough.

But by their very presence in the market, PacBlue is keeping pressure on fares. Granted this would be more substantial if they were winning a larger share of J-pax. Actually, it's interesting, how does the airline know what share of J-pax it has? Maybe they're simply getting business passengers who do a trip becasue they can get the cheaper fares, thus growing the market rather than simply cutting up the pie.

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 23):
I'm a business traveller, I don't care too much if the fares have gone up a $100 as yield improves, but the airline will and if that helps improve the sustainability of their TT ops then I as far as I'm concerned, that's good for me too.

Why wouldn't you care? Granted J-demand is more inelastic, but at some point the pricing would be noticed. and essentially you are conceeding that prices will rise. From a competitive authority standpoint, the sustainability of airline services is not of their concern, if I remember correctly from the last NZ/QF proposal. Efficiency and business sustainability aren't really the domain of competition authorities, or have I got that wrong? If they are, then essentially they're swallowing the (highly self-interested) airline's argument that better profits for them equates to better services for passengers, however they define "better".

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 23):
One of the reasons for the large number of early morning departures is aircraft utilisation.

Well, yes, but that goes hand-in-hand with the ability for New Zealand pax to do a daytrip to Australia. Removing a third of the carriers that do that flight (I'm not sure what the capacity fraction would be, maybe 20%) would have a significant impact on prices, as you demonstrate in your example.


25 Unclekoru : The current pricing is unsustainable without the cross subsidisation of the Tasman from other parts of the business, I would hope that total revenue
26 aerokiwi : That's true. I don't know. No I understand. I'm sorta devils-advocating here - have yet to really form a position on the proposal. Needs more brain t
27 koruman : Unless I'm very much mistaken, China's currency does not float, while the NZ$ and A$ have dropped against the USD in recent months by around 10%. (My
28 777ER : Yes PacBlue are keeping fares down (as are JQ), but with both NZ and DJ basically promissing to keep fares down then both watchdogs on both sides wil
29 xiaotung : Which tourists don't prepay for their flights? If you are saying they are paying less in their local currency, that might be true. But to New Zealand
30 aerokiwi : Which sorta proves my point. I'm not sure that, if the deal is given the go-ahead, the Commerce Commission has any power whatsoever to stop NZ and DJ
31 zkojh : something i spotted on nzherald.co.nz just now.. Dream deal for Auckland Airport Boeing's high-tech Dreamliner aircraft will start flying to New Zeala
32 aerorobnz : It's a 763 fairly often as well.
33 NZ6 : Regarding the whole DJ/NZ thing and prices over schedules, we can't have it both ways - NZ flying 4 or 5 times a day to SYD (for example) with low pri
34 777ER : This was in the news article a few days ago after the route was announced. NZ also said in that article last week was that NZ could still launch a AK
35 Post contains links 777ER : Airports earning ' monopoly profits' - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...Airports-earning-monopoly-profits/ The airlines are still maintaining th
36 aerokiwi : Except, we've been told this for years, at least since NZ's first attempt to get into bed with Qantas. Evidently those 4-5 daily flights to SYD are m
37 NZ6 : That is exactly what I would expect to hear from someone who understand the industry yet does not understand the eonomics of it, whilst NZ has mainta
38 eta unknown : My guess is Pacific Blue will go- there have been some interesting articles in The Sydney Morning Herald this week about Virgin Blue's profitability:
39 aerokiwi : Fly smaller planes, eg. A320s instead of 767s and 777s. Qantas is doing it with 737s. NZ has done it to some extent with A320s. If there's too much c
40 aerokiwi : I have my doubts - the Pacific Island flights are fairly profitable from what I've heard and PacBlue's lower costs are a big benefit to Virgin, with
41 NZ6 : You already see NZ flying A320 on the vast majority of tasman services, expect a 1 or 2 763's and 1 772 a day all others are A320 operated. Removing
42 aerokiwi : I'd accept this if the airline couldn't downsize. But just looking at current schedules... BNE: the daily NZ135 flight is operated by either a 744, 7
43 NZ6 : Frequency equals capacity - as stated even without these wide bodies there is to much capacity. As above NZ does not operate these routes with this e
44 Post contains links NZ107 : Air Pacific to resume Suva to Auckland flights Another route is being re-established.. AKL-SUV with FJ's 73G. Introduction of new check-in kiosks save
45 aerokiwi : Purchasing more A320s would seem to be on the cards then and NZ is perfectly capable of that, though hasn't done so (aside for replacement of the dom
46 NZ6 : But my point is, that would still be to much capacity - there are simply to many flights! so why buy or least A320's and stil be in the same position
47 777ER : Maybe time for some A319s?
48 sunrisevalley : The use of the E190 series has been advocated in this ongoing thread for low volume/ off peak TT routes . A solution worth looking at. This is a very
49 NZ107 : DJ has some.. If NZ can only encourage them to use that in their agreement then maybe we could see a few more thin routes having some viable frequenc
50 777ER : There is one or two painted in PacBlue colours also
51 Kaiarahi : Ummm ... NZ is the launch customer for the 789. No one else will be flying them anywhere before NZ. The E175/190s are popular with pax (although the
52 ANstar : Yup- these operate the Christmas Island services
53 Post contains links 777ER : An NZ B763 and V Australia aircraft 'nearly' collided near NAN on May 7th around 4pm http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3766...Z-in-suspected-near-miss-o
54 Post contains links 777ER : WLG says a combined DJ and NZ alliance is a threat to competition and Wellingtionians will basically suffer with an NZ/DJ and QF duopoly http://www.st
55 zkpilot : For NZ passengers only. The other airlines still have regular checkin counters. I must say it looks pretty good, saw it yesterday.
56 aerorobnz : I've had a play around on one, it's certainly gonna be a godsend for people like me that only ever have 1 bag maximum and who have up til now been st
57 alangirvan : From Australian Thread 35: Quoting allrite (Reply 185): Whilst I am not familiar with the exact kiosks used for airline check-ins my employer looked i
58 NZ107 : Yeah sorry, forgot to add that.. Along the same lines, Air NZ seem to have discretely changed the baggage allowance to/from USA to 1 piece of 23kg. T
59 aerokiwi : FINALLY! I can't believe it took them this long! Is it because of the new passports? In which case, do you need the newer style of passport (with mic
60 NZ107 : Doubt it, reading of the 2 lines should be sufficient otherwise you could get security problems. It's not like NZ needs a copy of biometrics either.
61 Unclekoru : If further A320's are purchased you end up with more appropriate loads but still carry all the fixed costs associated with running a long haul fleet
62 mariner : I've never known what Air NZ's CASM - or CASK - is, and without that it is a little difficult to judge. In the US, JetBlue flies both the A320 and th
63 Post contains links and images airpearl : Apparently NZ has denied there was any risk of collision. Still, going by a report from Malaysia's state-owned news agency Bernama, that's really not
64 UncleKoru : It's a shame the figures don't include a breakdown per type. But no, I am not suggesting that Jet Blue et al stick to one type! It is being suggested
65 Unclekoru : Do you have any comparative figures to show Jet Blue's CASM before and after the introduction of the E Jet?
66 mariner : Yes, I got that and I'm not sure why they would go to the E190 when the A319 is available. Granted that's a few more seats than the E190, but it can
67 NZ6 : The question needs to be asked, would the investment in a new aircraft type (pilot, cabin crew, airport, tech ops training) have a return on investme
68 Post contains links mariner : Without digging into the SEC filings, this is from 2003 - the E190 didn't come into the fleet for another couple of years: http://quickstart.clari.ne
69 Post contains images NZ107 : Hahaha! How did they know to look in the cargo hold?
70 alangirvan : The point is DJ have the E-190s in their fleet, and Brett Godfrey said the E-190s were being certified for EROPS so that they can operate to Christmas
71 mariner : Sure it does, and the JetBlue CASM numbers show that it does. It is terrific that hey keep CASM that low. As to revenue, I haven't checked but I woul
72 NZ107 : It still makes me wonder how long they've been thinking about this alliance for. IMO it would have been beneficial for NZ to get the 737 family if th
73 alangirvan : The Allegiant operation is quite fascinating - Cranky Flier certainly likes it. It does use the type within one country, not even flying to Mexico or
74 mariner : Which isn't the silliest idea. Allegiant is, and has been for some time, the highest priced US airline stock on Wall Street - $53. The next is Alaska
75 777ER : Wow, thats a surprise. Its certainly going to hurt Camp America and CCUSA applicants who are leaving AKL for American summer camps right now if they
76 NZ107 : It's effective for bookings made after 26 May but for everything in the future, it's going to hurt. Looks like it might be QF who win over customers
77 Post contains links 777ER : I didn't think Fly Direct would last long and this news really didn't come as much of a surprise to me, but I'm surprised it went belly up as quickly
78 Post contains images CHCalfonzo : This is a real shame for Wanaka. It is such a stunning place with a really cool airport. It would be great to see more services there. I'm wondering
79 zkpilot : I was quite surprised to see that it not only limits to 23kg but also 1 piece! Baggage allowances using the weight system have always been 20/23kg bu
80 aerorobnz : 2 PC for PEconomy and 3 for Biz Premier. It's a good idea IMO. Adding a second piece is much cheaper than it used to be anyway. As follows... Arrival
81 cchan : IMHO this system is unfair to those who do not have the physical strength to lift a bag >20 kg, for example the elderly. In the past, they can spl
82 ANstar : So how do the same people cope when they fly to Asia?
83 NZ6 : I think it's making those who pack extra think twice so the airline doesn't have to fly with extra weight for no reason, the excess on the first peic
84 cchan : In the past, the allowance for Asian flights was 23 kg, regardless of the number of bags. You can take 1 bag, 2, 3 or even 10+ bags free of charge if
85 NZ107 : But that's not the point. They bring USA in line with the rest of the world so they can make extra money. I doubt we'll see the airfares coming down
86 Unclekoru : Thanks for the link. I was thinking more along the lines of BNE/DUD or HLZ etc. It's was always going to be a big ask. Hope Vinnie's will find someth
87 cchan : I highly doubt it. It would be rather unlikely EK will reduce their allowance given that they are actively advertising their generous 30 kg for econo
88 alangirvan : E-190s would be great aircraft for Dunedin or Hamilton. BUT, news from the other side of the Tasman that there is going to be a big review of everythi
89 Post contains links mariner : It's quite a big axe the new CEO is swinging over there. Supposedly, V Australia is the big drain and Fiji and Phuket may be axed. But some Australia
90 alangirvan : This week our paper, Otago Daily Times had a feature they picked up from a wire, a journo from Chicago who had a tour of the 787 cabin mock up. He lik
91 koruman : V are finding out exactly what Air NZ has: Qantas has the Sydney Business Class market sewn up, but has left the door wide open out of BNE and MEL. T
92 777ER : IMHO if DJ decides to pull out of NZL domestic then it would be DJs own fault due to their lack of expansion Why no AKL-YVR or AKL-SFO in your predic
93 motorhussy : Not if they can squeeze in 3-4-3!! True but they'll not be competing on comfort. Yes, even longer than a 10-abreast NZ 77W AKL-LAX. Regards MH
94 eta unknown : SYD losing flights to BNE/MEL... me thinks this refers to V Australia's LAX flights... perhaps SYD will be handed over to DL if the JSA is approved. O
95 sunrisevalley : It would be interesting to know where the NZ 77E's fit in the "spread" between the max passenger load range of the July 1998 ACAP document of ~7400nm
96 sunrisevalley : So do you see the V. Aus 77W's becoming an adjunct to the NZ 77W fleet bringing the joint fleet to 5 plus, is it 4 , for 9 frames.?
97 koruman : Quite simply, it was an oversight, but probably correct. I think we all know that SFO, YVR and the second daily LAX flight from Auckland are each via
98 sunrisevalley : So should we start taking bets on how long it takes nimble footed Fyfe & Co. to react to the loss of the high yield Australian feeds. I am sure t
99 Post contains links 777ER : As we all ready knew, PacBlues routes are under review, but here is the stuff.co.nz article on it http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...1/Pacific-Blu
100 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ adds 180,000 more seats to domestic jet route capacity How much of this is from the introduction of A320s.. Jetstar and Virgin fight for New Ze
101 RichardJF : A merger between V Australia and NZ is crazy. V Australia should be closed down. They probably want the feed direct to Australia but want to get it of
102 ANstar : Why? It is starting to break even after 18 Months of operations.
103 RichardJF : At the end of the day direct BNE - California routes don't make sense for NZ.
104 kiwiandrew : Why not ? Queensland has a larger ( and wealthier ) population than New Zealand does . I would have thought that if NZ had had the sense to get in be
105 777ER : This will certainly boost NZ and DJ plans with the competition watch dogs and will prove a point NZ and DJ made in their submissions, which is that Q
106 zkojh : Has NZ ever thought of flying HKG - SYD? wonder if their would be demand to operate would be a nice market for 'STAR'
107 zkojh : seems the battle for the tasman as reached the final push! Virgin is getting crushed, how will this effect the alliance with NZ?? Jetstar, today annou
108 kiwiandrew : Many years ago , back in the days of the DC8 , NZ operated twice weekly AKL-SYD-HKG , I believe that in a previous thread some months back it was est
109 motorhussy : Straw poll question for you all. Who has the most comfortable/attractive/best long-haul business product out of AKL? The competition's pretty good wit
110 cchan : Anyone has updates on the few more 77W NZ is supposed to firm up, or have they changed their mind? Perhaps better to code-share with VS. Already too m
111 767er : NZ followed by SQ
112 gasman : SQ (or more specifically, SQ on the 77W). Nothing else even comes close. However if you're talking about the SQ 772 product, I would put NZ at no. 1,
113 kiwiandrew : Haven't tried the current SQ or CX offerings ... out of NZ EK and QF I would put NZ first both in comfort and in service , EK on the A380 second in c
114 Unclekoru : True, things are going to change. If the alliance is approved though, then any changes on the Tasman will be made in conjunction with NZ, this makes
115 zkpilot : I agree.... LAX-SYD/BNE is fine but MEL is just too far for the 77E economically. Better to use the larger 77W (even if it means not being full) on t
116 777ER : Seems like JQ is only interested in focussing on CHC with QF having WLG and AKL. Wouldn't mind seeing JQ on WLG-BNE since QF isn;t interested in it n
117 sunrisevalley : Hold it fellows... CO flies EWR-HKG every day with the 77E at about 283 seats and that sector is gate to gate longer than LAX-MEL by about 30-min. Th
118 aerokiwi : Could it be the GE engines?
119 zkpilot : Yes but what competition does that route have? The 77E would take a massive payload hit which would make this route uneconomic at the fare prices. Fa
120 Unclekoru : LAX-MEL has a significantly higher ESAD than 6900nm. 7300 nm is typical I am told (have never planned LAX-MEL, only LAX-NZL destinations). There are
121 RichardJF : I t would seem to make sense for JQ on WLG-OOL?
122 777ER : WLG-OOL is only a leisure route with low yielding pax, but serving BNE instead as its a higher yielding destination serves three purposes as its a qu
123 sunrisevalley : They may make the difference, a Boeing document from Sept. 2008 shows the GE engined version of the 77E to have ~ 250nm better range at max passenger
124 sunrisevalley : I have found Boeings load/ range charts to be pretty accurate on the odd occasion when I have been able to back check them against a real situation s
125 Unclekoru : Sure, but they are constructed using "standard" considerations. There are some additional flight planning requirements in this remote part of the wor
126 ZKSUJ : Stuff.co.nz are reporting a Q300 landed in CHC after being struck by lightning. None of the 63 Pax on board were hurt and the aircraft was flying TRG-
127 zkojh : first few changes for 2011, As per 07JUN10 GDS timetable display, Air New Zealand’s planned Boeing 747-400 operation in Northern Summer 2011 season
128 Post contains links 777ER : Wellington Aeroclub is facing closure after after WIAL announced its cheap lease is being ended to make for a B737/A320 sized hanger which will be use
129 sunrisevalley : NZ do not have enough 77W on order (I believe only 5) to do NZ38/39 as well unless the frequency was ~ 3x weekly for that type.
130 ANstar : Couldnt they have both LHR flights as 77W's? Surely that would not take more than 5 frames?
131 sunrisevalley : I believe it takes 3-frames to run each of the two AKL-LHR routes 7x weekly. If you consider Day 1 as the departure day for a frame then its return i
132 PA515 : I checked the schedule about a month ago and, as you say, the only 744's were AKL-BNE-AKL twice a week. When I constructed the timetable 11 77E's wer
133 cchan : If the AKL-LAX-LHR route is the more popular, would it be more logical for NZ to have 744 on NZ1/2, and 77W on NZ38/39 since the 744 carries more pas
134 Post contains links NZ107 : I'm sure they want to promote the new product more than anything else.. And along with that try to charge higher prices. It might seem more logical i
135 aerokiwi : Wow that is surprising. I guess we wont be seeing NZ return to SIN any time soon. Given it's status as a conencting hub for the QF Grroup, makes sens
136 NZ1 : It stays as 772. NZ1
137 kiwiinoz : Good news on JQ. Got me thinking, have we ever had regular A330 flights into New Zealand? Which got me thinking further, there are some aircraft types
138 NZ107 : IIRC the first EK flights had an A330 running to and from I think BNE. That, QF25/26, GA and SB are/were operating flights into NZ using the A330. Th
139 Post contains links 777ER : NZs domestic fares will rise by either $1 or $2 per sector in response to the emission trading scheme http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/37891
140 Unclekoru : Kiwi (whatever they were called) operated the 722. The RNZAF also operated the 727.
141 kiwiandrew : Don't forget that AN and TN ( the original TN , ie Trans Australia Airlines rather than Air Tahiti Nui ) both operated the 727 on behalf of QF on the
142 NZ107 : To add to that list - BR.
143 ANstar : They have already announced that SIN is the Asian base. QF/JQ can now funnel pax 1 stop to more destinations ex AKL ie LHR, FRA, HKT, KUL etc
144 ZKSUJ : I remember seeing the SB A310 come in a few times. Though would that count as regular?
145 sunrisevalley : The number of seats in J and Y+ are about the same. The reduction is in Y, net effect will probably be improved Y yields.
146 ZK-NBT : It used to come in every week for the few years they had it. Yep. Remember also 1 772 will be out for refitting aswell and with regular A checks I'd
147 kiwiandrew : Maybe , but I dont think that is quite within the range of the A330 so they would probably have to use a 777 , or am I underestimating the 330s capab
148 NZ107 : Yeah, just what I was thinking.. Hence why KE have been using (and probably will continue to use) 772s to AKL?
149 ZK-NBT : CAN-AKL and ICN-AKL would be easily within the A332s range! LAX-AKL is interesting as QF won't and didn't before use the HGW A332 but they still did i
150 NZ107 : Yeah, sorry I keep forgetting that it's on the AKL-LAX route.. I'm guessing cargo will play a big role here too and my understanding would be that th
151 zkojh : can we expect to see one of the 77W's wearing the 'Star Alliance' Colours when they start to arrive?
152 NZ107 : We were all expecting a new livery at one stage.. haha
153 cchan : I assume that is the beginning of the nightmare of having 10 across in Y. Hope not, that is just ugly. NZ should just paint 1x 733 or 744 in Star col
154 Post contains links 777ER : Tiger has opposed NZ and DJs plans by saying the new deal will reduce competition and rise prices. Tiger is also saying that they want the 2002 Tasman
155 NZ6 : Strange - you think that would allow Tiger into the market.
156 QF45 : My educated guess would be that D7 will now fly ex AKL instead of CHC. Be more than happy to be proven wrong however the only other thing I can think
157 gasman : Does anyone know what happened with NZ138 on Thursday 10th? Was supposed to be a 763; instead a 772 rocked up. Not that I'm complaining, just me and o
158 ZK-NBT : I noticed a 772 take off from AKL, probably 763 MX or delayed somewhere or high loads down the back? It delayed the outbound PVG service for about 90
159 alangirvan : The A330-300 which D7 operates is proving to be a more and more capable aircraft, but are you sure it would have the range for AKL-KUL non stop? D7 h
160 Unclekoru : Does the Malaysian government prefer not to have Air Asia flying the same long haul routes as Malaysian? This is a genuine question as the subject ca
161 aerorobnz : Basically it was part of a multi aircraft swap due to an issue with an aircraft in the hanger that required more time to rectify before returning to
162 NZ107 : AKL-KUL should be fine. I'm pretty sure QF operated the A333 on routes like SYD-PEK.
163 CHCalfonzo : QF's China flights are operated by A332. With the high density configuration on D7's A333 I think they will pushing it to make NZ-KUL non-stop.
164 NZ107 : Well there was some QF flight to somewhere up there (BOM maybe?) which was flown by the A333 for a little while at least.. Anyway the Airbus website
165 alangirvan : That was the idea when Air Asia was first thinking about longhaul, and they were looking at Avalon Airport rather than MEL because MH flew to MEL. Bu
166 Unclekoru : Thanks for the background. I Guess they could operate a split routing. Not a terrible idea. The figures quoted by Airbus would suggest that it may be
167 NZ107 : They'd also have other figures though like percentage of pax with checked luggage. If this is low, it could mean for a 'lighter' plane - compensating
168 alangirvan : The Qantas non stop SYD-BOM flights were operated with the same A332s which they use on AKL-LAX 36J/199Y. A330-300s are doing some long sectors - I t
169 777ER : I didn't say it would allow TT into the market!
170 Post contains images sunrisevalley : I do, with the usual proviso of E &OE. First, based on feedback from another Asian carrier with the latest -300 versions set up for ~300seats , t
171 DavidByrne : Don't forget that TT is a Singaporean airline and does not have the right to operate under the Transtasman SAM. That's why, as 777ER noted, they are
172 ZK-NBT : SYD-PEK was an A333 when they operated it, PVG is currently an A332 but goes back to a 333 next month, PVG is quite a bit shorter than PEK though fro
173 777ER : If MH manage to stop D7 from flying to CHC then there is always WLG via Australia as I highly doubt MH would be prepared to operate here
174 777ER : Anyone know why NZ1 is running 18 hours late today?
175 NZ6 : Burst tyre I believe, then crew rest I guess - sorry I'm not at work so can not confirm. Yes but if and when they operate TT then they will want as l
176 777ER : Then why would Tiger object to NZ/DJs plans as wouldn't they be happy two airlines are joining forces except for the part that they will have bigger
177 alangirvan : That might take things a bit further than the Singaporeans intend, there would be no need for Jetstar to have Jetstar Asia, if they could operate SIN
178 RichardJF : WIAL and local authorities here should be focused on getting MH to run KUL-WLG-AKL-KUL and funding it to what extent they need to get the route run.
179 777ER : Its a dream but I would love to fly a wide body WLG-AKL and I'm sure many others would like it also
180 DavidByrne : During the 1970s and 80s there were some domestic WB flights flown by NZ. In the late 1970s, NZ started a morning domestic DC10 service AKL-CHC conne
181 NZ107 : It was so fun flying the 767 between AKL and CHC back in the early '00s.. I guess that's now also quite a pipe dream to get WBs on this route.
182 ZKNZA : I remember flying in the flight deck on ZK- NBA, AKL-CHC and back up a few times. That would have been around 2003-4 I think. NBA was the frame that w
183 cchan : MH probably won't have the traffic rights to carry domestic passengers though. Especially in the J class seats sold as Y. That was around the time be
184 NZ107 : I remember flying NBJ, the hybrid one, in 2002. Damn! I was a long way down the back.. Nevermind that, I've got a pair of Business Class seats from N
185 Unclekoru : The 762 operated a daily AKL-WLG-AKL routine for a considerable period of time in the late 80's and early 90's. There were additional flights on a Fr
186 cchan : I have always wondered where those sellers got these seats from. I have a pair of Y seats from a 767 at home in WLG, also bought from trademe some ye
187 NZ107 : The guy I got them from is an Air NZ engineer. Still got the release form in the cigarette disposal thing on the seat.
188 ZKNZA : Yep and thanks to the engineer that sold the seat on trademe, no seats will be released to staff again.[Edited 2010-06-13 23:41:28]
189 Unclekoru : The A330-300 has certainly become a very capable aircraft. Makes you wonder how many they could have sold if they had designed this sort of capabilit
190 sunrisevalley : I have recalculated the freight ( separate from baggage) based on a density of 160kg/m3 and total ULD space available. I believe in fact the aircraft
191 777ER : Back in the good old days of flying! Every time I'm in AKL I frequently see B763s sitting outside the international terminal and always wonder why th
192 Post contains links 777ER : Two scenic pilots are banned from ZQN after racing their cars down ZQNs runway at midnight - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3812...anned-after-midnig
193 Post contains links and images NZ107 : To be honest, I have seen plenty of the seats go up on Trademe.. What were NZ's reasons for that? These seats are easy to use, don't require electric
194 767er : The problem is there are now only 5 763s in the fleet and they are fairly heavily utilised so I can't see that happening/
195 aerokiwi : The old Subitzky (sp?) car ferreis from Half Moon Bay to Waiheke has Air NZ passenger seats in the seated area upstairs. Was a bit of an odd sight, b
196 Post contains links 777ER : WIALs newest international terminal extension is nearing completion and peep holes for passengers to view the interior is prooving very popular. http:
197 Post contains links 777ER : Looks like NZ is starting to give in to pressure to further lower its last minute airfares from NSN following complaints that the 35min WLG-NSN flight
198 motorhussy : And it's starting to look pretty dang amazing. I hope some of the many critics will now realise that it's not or was ever going to be bright orange w
199 mariner : It is still - for me - such depressing architecture, utilitarian with the corners rounded off. I get no sense of space and light. But - each to their
200 RichardJF : There is a desparate need for competition on regional routes in New Zealand. The govt should should even consider creating a 2nd state owned airline u
201 Unclekoru : While I agree with motorhussy, the copper cladding looks a lot better than the artists impressions had suggested, I too find it hard to get excited b
202 GlobalCabotage : When the 787's start to arrive, ORD will be one of first cities with service. CO/UA will add IAH to AKL, and NZ will pick up ORD to fee the eastern US
203 motorhussy : Speculation or fact? If the latter, what's your source please? NZ has always maintained an interest in flying to somewhere in the Central U.S. or Eas
204 Post contains links and images mariner : I guess I meant natural light, inspirational architecture. It doesn't have to be much more expensive. If they had added a bit of wave to it, some sur
205 aerorobnz : New Zealand is a tiny little agglomeration of small virtually undeveloped islands in the south-west pacific - It cannot and will not sustain anything
206 RichardJF : What places like Napier,Nelson, Invercargall etc.... need isn't a 737 or A320 once a day but a competing Q300 service under the OW banner. The return
207 kiwiandrew : The use of the term 'monopoly' suggests that NZ somehow have exclusive rights and can shut other players out ... NZ don't have a monopoly on any dome
208 Post contains links motorhussy : Whilst totally disagreeing with you here as: A/ A tax paying NZ'er - our limited resources are well over-extended already and we're borrowing hugely
209 Kaiarahi : CO has already announced IAH-AKL, starting next year.
210 MD-90 : So eventually there will be a choice on Qantas of flying LAX-AKL-LAX on either the 744 or A332? When does the schedule change take place?
211 motorhussy : Well aware of that thank you but was referring to the apparent news (to me) about NZ commencing flights to ORD.
212 mariner : Then I guess we are looking at two different buildings. LOL. I'm not quite sure what that means - I can't imagine anyone in NZ employing Gehry or Cal
213 Kaiarahi : Your query about fact or speculation didn't distinguish between IAH and ORD.
214 NZ107 : He just got confused I think (or I confused him). QF are currently using the 744 between AKL and LAX. This will change in early July to A332 but whil
215 alangirvan : In Saturday's Otago Daily Times - one of those stories - is it a bird, is it a plane - - it's a plane. A number of people in Balclutha spotted a UFO a
216 RichardJF : New Zealand hasn't found a successful setup yet in the air transport area. Theres two logical models 1. To abandon long haul and have two competing ai
217 CHCalfonzo : That's ridiculous. Greater Wellington, according to Stats NZ, had a population of 479,000 in 2009. At its current average growth rate of 1% per annum
218 RichardJF : It makes tons of sense for the govt to get behind such a strategy because it can come down harder on the public service. Its all about cutting red tap
219 kiwiandrew : How exactly do you regard this as 'logical' ? New Zealand already has ridiculous levels of debt and you now want us to have not one but two state-own
220 Unclekoru : Any serious redirection of long haul pax ex WLG is only going to make it even harder to sustain long haul services from AKL. This was the subject of
221 ZKSUJ : I see a B1900 landed at BHE today with a flat tire. An emergency was declared prior
222 NZ6 : Given the govt bail out back in the early 2000's I don't see a lot of support for a second airline when it would be Inevitable that it would fail at
223 CHCalfonzo : The photo on Stuff showed that it was the infamous ZK-EAK, the same aircraft that landed wheels up at BHE a few years ago.
224 cchan : If both competitors are owned by the same people, then it is not a competition. In summary, this plan only means the government will be contributing
225 RichardJF : The roading access to Wellington airport will look like this. The suggestion of four laning of Ruahine st and Wellington road (the road between Cobham
226 RichardJF : Its likely that the 2030 master plan will get pretty much updated. They almost certainly need substantially more apron space which might be controvers
227 777ER : The govt won't have anything to do with WLGs upgrade. The only commercial airport the govt is involved in is NPL (AFAIK) If the government is seen to
228 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #78 (by 777ER Jun 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)
229 LipeGIG : As requested, locked.!
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