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Qatar Airways To Go Daily To CPH  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

Qatar Airways will shortly be upping its 4 weekly A319 services to CPH to a daily A330. The service started effective summer 2010 and QR is also evaluating to start services to Oslo, Norway.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/58922...-copenhagen-using-larger-aircraft-

Other updates on QR include

* Launch of flights to BGW, EBL, NJF this winter.

* MXP, MAD getting upgraded to a B77W in winter 2010.

* Launch of Sofia, Bulgaria.

[Edited 2010-05-27 07:12:54]


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User currently offlinecityairline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

Great news! 
Although, this was never a quastion of "if", but a quastion of "when".
As CPH goes daily with the A330, I'm sure that OSL will be added four times weekly almost straight away, just like they did with the A319 switch at ARN/CPH.
I'm sure OSL won't be having any trouble filling these aircraft either, and as QR realises more and more how Scandinavia/the Nordic is doing them well, it wouldn't surprise me to see HEL and in a few years hopefully even GOT with the A319.
Also, I wonder if this will make EK even more eager to launch Scandinavia to bring competition, or the opposite in fear of over capacity?

//Alex



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User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9926 times:

Quoting cityairline (Reply 1):
Also, I wonder if this will make EK even more eager to launch Scandinavia to bring competition, or the opposite in fear of over capacity?

I am sure EK will start Sweden very soon, problem for them is that they only got wide bodies, QR starts this routes with their smaller aircrafts and then when the route is doing good they upgrade. I am sure they will start Oslo with an A319/320. I am still not very fond of flying more than 5 hours in small planes like A320. But, i think it works very well for QR.

FF


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17155 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9916 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 2):
I am sure EK will start Sweden very soon,

Even before CPH?



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User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9871 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 2):
I am sure EK will start Sweden very soon,

Even before CPH?

Maybe not, but they will not start both any time soon. So they will have to choose CPH or ARN.

Does anybody knows if EK flies cargo to CPH or ARN?

FF


User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9800 times:

Other than a few prestige places such as LHR or CDG, it's pretty clear to me that QR and EY fly where EK is unable/unwilling to fly!

Clever strategy but how long can it last? Clever strategy from QR part though to send smaller aircraft first before sending a widebody!


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17155 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9783 times:

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 5):
Clever strategy but how long can it last?

What do you mean? Do you think that QR will fail in CPH and ARN in the future?



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User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 9530 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
What do you mean? Do you think that QR will fail in CPH and ARN in the future?

I dont think they will fail, and upgrading the aircraft shows you that.

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 5):
Other than a few prestige places such as LHR or CDG, it's pretty clear to me that QR and EY fly where EK is unable/unwilling to fly!

I don't thinks this is true, QR runs flights like IAH, NYC, MAD, CAN, etc.. places where EK flies and it still does quite well. EY its also catching up, lets just remember that EY was greates only 8 years ago or so, my bet is that they will be much better than EK in a few years. Just like Abu Dhabi its catching up on Dubai.

FF


User currently offlineOlympicATH From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9398 times:

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 5):
Other than a few prestige places such as LHR or CDG, it's pretty clear to me that QR and EY fly where EK is unable/unwilling to fly!

While I understand your point (EY and QR have narrow-bodies which enable them to try thinner routes), your statement is far from true. EK, EY and QR have many common destinations. This is for Europe only:

Destinations served by EK, EY and QR: ATH, CDG, DME, FRA, IST, MAN, MUC, MXP, LHR
Destinations served by EK and QR (not EY): FCO, LGW, MAD (soon), VIE, ZRH

Destination served by EY and QR (not EK): GVA

Destinations only served by EK: BHX, DUS, GLA, HAM, LCA, MLA, NCE, NCL, PRG (soon)
Destinations only served by EY: BRU, DUB, MSQ
Destinations only served by QR: ARN, BCN (soon), CPH, ESB, , SOF (soon), TXL

IMHO it's only a matter of time before EK adds BER, BCN, BRU, DUB and GVA.
So as you can see, while EY and QR are flying some thin routes that EK hasn't tried and might never try (especially MSQ, SOF, ESB), there is a huge overlap. And this is only Europe.

[Edited 2010-05-27 11:09:25]

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9319 times:

Quoting OlympicATH (Reply 8):
Destinations only served by EY: BRU, DUB, MSQ, SOF (soon)

Has EY announced SOF? If so that goes in destinations served by "EY and QR and not EK" as QR has also announced SOF.



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User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9290 times:

Ok I replace a few by a lot!

My point is more that once Ek gets into cities like CPH & BRU (if ever) I don't see QR or EY last long.


Thanks OlympicAth for the detailed comparison! More overlap than I thought i must admit!


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17155 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9233 times:

Quoting OlympicATH (Reply 8):
Destinations only served by QR: BCN (soon), CPH, ESB, TXL

Dont forget ARN!



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1925 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
* MXP, MAD getting upgraded to a B77W in winter 2010.

Nice to know......MAD has been upgrade almost every year since they start operation......A300 then A332 then A333 and now daily to B77W

But before this summer QR was the king in MAD when we talk about Asia but now EK will start MAD in August, it will be an interesting battle but in my opinion MAD has so big lack of Asian routes and airlines that I thini EK soon will go daily to B77W as well......


User currently offlineOlympicATH From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 9):
Has EY announced SOF? If so that goes in destinations served by "EY and QR and not EK" as QR has also announced SOF.

Oops my bad, it was supposed to go in the "only QR" list, wrong line.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):

Dont forget ARN!

You're absolutely right, my mistake.

I edited my post and made the necessary corrections.


User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 12):
But before this summer QR was the king in MAD when we talk about Asia but now EK will start MAD in August, it will be an interesting battle but in my opinion MAD has so big lack of Asian routes and airlines that I thini EK soon will go daily to B77W as well......

I think there is market for both and more, not only are they serving the Gulf region but also the sub-continent, Far-East and Australia, which are regions not covered by anybody from spain. Now, if I was QR or EK I will go together with IB and try to get pax from latin america.

FF


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8970 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Qatar Airways will shortly be upping its 4 weekly A319 services to CPH to a daily A330.

Wow! That's a big upgrade! Nice to see QR doing well in Scandinavia, a region that was for too long overlooked by the big Middle Eastern carriers!

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
QR is also evaluating to start services to Oslo, Norway

I imagine such a service would be very popular. Plenty of Norwegians headed to Thailand and other exotic places (Dubai, Bali, etc.).

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Launch of flights to BGW, EBL, NJF this winter

Any idea which aircraft QR will be using for these routes?

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
MXP, MAD getting upgraded to a B77W in winter 2010

Are these flights flown together or separately?

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Launch of Sofia, Bulgaria

Very interesting. Bulgaria isn't exactly a big vacation destination nor does it have a large wealthy base of travelers, so who would be on those flights?

Quoting cityairline (Reply 1):
this will make EK even more eager to launch Scandinavia to bring competition, or the opposite in fear of over capacity?

EK has seriously considered serving CPH in the past, and seeing as how they are doing a big push into new parts of Europe - AMS, MAD, PRG this summer - I bet they will once again consider going there. A perfect way to serve both Scandinavia AND parts of northern Germany!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17155 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 15):
A perfect way to serve both Scandinavia AND parts of northern Germany

Well they do serve HAM



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User currently offlineWAC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8856 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 15):
Are these flights flown together or separately?

Separately.


User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8812 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 14):
I think there is market for both and more, not only are they serving the Gulf region but also the sub-continent, Far-East and Australia, which are regions not covered by anybody from spain. Now, if I was QR or EK I will go together with IB and try to get pax from latin america.

They truly control the market from Spain to the Far East and OZ alongside TG to BKK (the sole exception), and will certainly continue to do so unless CX starts flying to HKG or IB ventures into Asia (both unlikely in the short term). I don't include KE to ICN because it's really a different region.


User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8737 times:

Quoting Talaier (Reply 18):
They truly control the market from Spain to the Far East and OZ alongside TG to BKK (the sole exception), and will certainly continue to do so unless CX starts flying to HKG or IB ventures into Asia (both unlikely in the short term). I don't include KE to ICN because it's really a different region.

Is there a big market for the far east from Spain only?

I think Spain will be a great stopover for latin american people going to the middle east, N.africa and far east. And that its why i suggested that QR and EK could codeshare with IB. Just some thoughts!

FF


User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8696 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 2):
I am still not very fond of flying more than 5 hours in small planes like A320. But, i think it works very well for QR.

It is a play-safe strategy to deploy the A319 on these start-up markets. Given its capabilites the 319 is also able to deliver acceptable levels of comfort on medium-haul despite being a narrowbody aircraft. As fas as I understand it, line business class is available onboard. I know some of their A320 are fully dedicated to intra-gulf short-haul operations but am unaware of their onboard offer.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
MAD getting upgraded to a B77W in winter 2010

This really comes as a surprise for me. I mean it in the most positive way. It was not long ago the route had gone from A332 to A333. Well done for both the airline and the city



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 19):

I think Spain will be a great stopover for latin american people going to the middle east, N.africa and far east. And that its why i suggested that QR and EK could codeshare with IB. Just some thoughts!

Spain is an extremely popular with high yielding J/F class flying Arabs from the GCC region between June-Sept. Flights are packed with yields very high!

There is huge demand from ISB/LHE/BOM/DEL as well which QR get.


User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8558 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 19):
Is there a big market for the far east from Spain only?

I think Spain will be a great stopover for latin american people going to the middle east, N.africa and far east. And that its why i suggested that QR and EK could codeshare with IB. Just some thoughts!

Well the market isn't huge as in other major European countries, but it is certainly underserved. Singapore tried MAD a few years ago, then dropped it and entered BCN (as a tag on MXP) but again SQ probably had better places to deploy its aircraft. TG has been a surprise though, and has managed to keep a 3/4x 744 flying into MAD for a long time now. KE, as far as I know, keeps the flight on cargo (and it still stops in AMS on the way back) but again ICN is too far north to allow for any connectivity. Air China also flies to PEK, but since it's state owned it's dificult to tell if they are making any money on the route.

In any case no East Asian carrier (with the possible exception of CX partnering with IB) can cater for demand as well as the Gulf carriers because they tend to have higher fares, miss India which is seeing a sizeable amount of Spanish FDI, do not provide good connections to OZ and of course lack the bonus of the hugely important Gulf premium market during the summer (bound for Andalucía mainly). I mean Málaga sees charter flights (and we are talking big planes here) every summer from the Gulf and Saudi Arabian has a 3x flight from Jeddah to MAD all-year round.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1886 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
* MXP, MAD getting upgraded to a B77W in winter 2010.

That is very smart move. MAD should be upgraded, the first European 777 destination! Im not sure about MXP though.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
* Launch of flights to BGW, EBL, NJF this winter.

I assume daily A320s for BGW and EBL, and 4 weekly A320 for NJF.

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
start services to Oslo, Norway.

I hope they start daily A330, and not go for the babybus.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8332 times:

I think the big problem for EK and friends PFROTIFABLY serving scandinavia, is the culture's attitude to Business class and partiuclarly FIRST class travel. EK attracts a lot of people who actually pay for their own tickets, people in smaller firms not locked into big corporate contracts (companies not big enough for the majors to send a rep), Independent consultant types and to my knownledge at least one bank in zurich.

The problem is, in Scandinavia they've got their "we're all equal, so dont spend money on yourself" thing happening. Thai has even adjusted its offering as a result compared with the rest of its long haul euro network. Emirates, at least in my part of the world, pushes its premium products heavily. And, from experience I can say the newer products are indeed quite good... often very good value for money. Will this work in Scandinavia though?


25 GlobalCabotage : I guess ORD is only a pipe dream. EY (and some day EK will keep them out of the market).
26 B747forever : Well they will probly begin with the A319 and then upgrade to the A330 if the demand is there as they did with both ARN and now CPH.
27 EBGflyer : That is a serious increase in capacity. Their current 4 weekly flights with the A319 holds 110 pax which equals to 440 offered seats weekly. With a c
28 Tristarsteve : When QR upgraded ARN from 5/week A319 to daily A330, what surprised me was the cargo loads. The A319 carried about 500kg of cargo, the A330 now carrie
29 Post contains images Kevin777 : Well, I certainly understand your point here, and there is a high degree of equality among people living in Scandinavia (too high if you ask me, far
30 AABB777 : ORD may be in the pipeline, but I'm sure it's behind N.A. cities such as LAX, SFO and YYZ. However, with the current UA codeshare QR has with UA out
31 Post contains images SASDC8 : Totally agree!! Even my friends look at me like I'm crazy when I travel business or first class on long haul Agree with you again. Many Norwegians do
32 Lufthansa : True. But SK suffer on soft product more then hard product in this reagard. The seat is fine.. but they're not putting enough effort into meals etc.
33 Post contains images affirmative : I don't know anything about how QR is doing on their ARN destination but since they've upgraded from the A319 to the A330 and keeping it that way I wo
34 B747forever : According to their website they will begin to fly to DXB again from the 27th of October this year from CPH.
35 ff22DXB : I don't think necessarily that EK opening a flight to CPH or ARN will work with O/D market between DXB-CPH/ARN. They will try to focus on nationals f
36 affirmative : So just like Norwegian it's seasonal. Pretty stupid when the bulk of the Scandinavians go home for the summer and this would also be the time when yo
37 Lufthansa : I'd like to see how the swedish/danish/norweigian population in Dubai compare with the Australian/New Zealand population. Obviously, the UK with its M
38 EBGflyer : Tim Clark already mentioned back in November/December (I think) that EK would start up on CPH within the next year. No word on ARN. OSL was not in th
39 B747forever : Yepp, he said something like that. Wont be surprised if we see EK starting DXB-CPH till next summer.
40 affirmative : I stand corrected.
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