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BA 757s Going To DHL  
User currently offlineDFW-JETS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

BA has reached a deal to sell DHL 34 757s for use at its European Package hub at Brussels, the sale will be through Boeing, which is going to be doing the conversions in to freighters, deliveries will begin next year......

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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 811 times:

This announcement, expected soon, foots with BA's plan to reduce capacity -- putting 777s, for example, on 747 routes.

These 180-seat 757s are being replaced by 150-seat A320s. Aren't BA's 757 already full on many flights, especially up to Scotland?

Anyone who flies BA 757s, I'd be interested in loads.



Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 800 times:

Looks like UPS might be increasing the 75 fleet  DHL or TNT is rumoured to be bought by UPS. DHL was almost bought by them back in the early 90's.

User currently offlineTERRA From Iraq, joined Aug 1999, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 774 times:

What a nightmare that would be! I can't imagine UPS buying DHL even though they would like to. I'd have thought that the share holders of DHL wouldn't even entertain the idea. Besides, where would we be without our friendly rivalry.
You definitly won't see me wearing a brown uniform driving around on gaudy yellow g.s.e.

P.S Feel free to buy TNT though any time you like.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 768 times:

I flew on a BA 757 from LHR-EDI this summer and I can tell you that the flight was PACKED.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 759 times:

Let me keep it simple. TNT is COMPLETETLY owned by the Dutch Postal System (Darn). And DHL is 25% owned by the German Post Office (double darn).

The reason for the European Post offices getting their hands on private companies is,and someone from Europe help me please,the Europeans are suppose to deregulate their postal system,which is causing this buying frenzy. The reason I know? I just had a TNT salesman walk into my office and try to sell me his services,and he gave me the low down.

There is money to be made in Europe,would not surprise me to see UPS,FEDEX,and Airborne boost their European presence.


User currently offlineTERRA From Iraq, joined Aug 1999, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 755 times:

To get the record straight- Deutsche Post AG own 22.5% of DHL. These shares were previously held by Larry Hillblom until his untimely death in an aircrash. Other share holders in DHL are Lufthansa (25%), Japan Airlines (25%) and Nissho Iwai (7.5%). As you can see Germany and Japan have a keen interest in DHL. Deutsch Post AG is also the largest postal company in Europe giving DHL a valuable partner in this area.

User currently offlineJWM AIRTRANS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 759 times:

Hi-

I read too in the October issue of Airliner World that British Airways was looking for a 757 replacment. They said that BA was trying to sell them to DHL, but at this time it was unconfirmed. Is this for sure now? Airlienr World stated that they were looking into the 717 as a replacement aircraft. I know that it sounds weird, but??? I would also like to say to whoever said that the 757 flight that they were on was cramped, BA is not getting rid of ALL of their 757s. Why is BA getting rid of them? Only because they are not being used enough? There must be another factor.

Jack M


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 756 times:

I to have flown to Edinburgh on British Airways 757 from LHR. I went in late August during the Edinburgh International Festival. The northbound flight was about 90% full, and was an old colours with the old Club Europe interior. The southbound flight was on the Delftblue Daybreak colours, and had a freshly re-done interior, with really comfortable seats, and adjustable head-rests. It is a shame that they're dispensing their 757s, since they were the second operator of the 757 (after Eastern Airlines). Say, it's not so, say it's a rumour.


« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineAirbus Boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 755 times:

BA will get the 320 to replace the 757's this is as BA pilots want to fly the 320 and the newspaper made up the story about the 717 the pilots still know nothing about it.
And the reason BA is getting rid of 20-30 757 is as the are old and smell, or so an BA employee told me. And to be honest the 757 pilot i know did not say they where gettign rid of all the 757 but he really did drop some ovious hints.
Dave


User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 755 times:

UPS 's IPO is going public late this month, the whole reason behind going public (something that has never been done in the 92 year company history) is to generate large cash flow to make aquisitions in the International Market. This is fact. TNT or DHL are RUMOURED to be the one to be aquired. The reason being is to compete on a level playing field with the German Deutche Post. TNT is a subsidiary of a publicly held company so the salesman needs to get his fact straight. Here is the fact of TNT right from the website "TNT incorporates the activities of the following former brands: TNT Express Worldwide, TNT Ltd., Mailfast, InterPost, Caxton, PPIC and TNT Logistics. TNT is a subsidiary TNT Post Group (TPG), a publicly listed company, headquartered in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, employing 100,000 employees in over 200 countries and had sales of NLG 15.2 Billion in 1997."
This is just strong rumours right now but the whole purpose of the IPO is to make aquisitions Internationaly to expand the business.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Just to let you all know, the 757s have already been sold to DHL. An announcement for hte 717 order should be coming soon. As for the poster who stated taht the are 757s are old and smell bad and the pilots wanting to fly the A320 you should try stand up comedy. Very funny and WRONG indeed.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 729 times:
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Hi all

With the 757's going to Boeing/DHL, what will BA's order be?

Could it be the 717?

I like Airbus, but must say that a 717 in Union Flag colours would look good.

Anyone else agree?

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland (Future BA 717 destination?  )


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12323 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 731 times:

717s have been rumoured quite strongly, but I personally think this would be a retrograde step for the airline. After all, it has already ordered 319s and 320s (and 321s will probably get a look-in at some stage), so why would they opt for a considerably older design, with no commonality? It just doesn't make sense. The 717 may be considerably modernised, but it is still a DC9, with a DC9's fuselage cross-section - considerably narrower than the 321. This means that in a Club configuration (and this is the market they're after), they lose one seat in every row. Maybe some might say four abreast is better than 5, but it's still lost revenue.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 722 times:

The 717 is more than likely the winner of this order. British Airways is simple choosing the right tool for the job. The 717 is super efficient, weighs less than the A318, doesn't need commonality because there will be over 50 of them when it is done, and also is better suited due to its wing design for short hauls. Good luck to BA and the 717.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 719 times:

I have come across more information regarding the 757. The MAJORITY of the 757s will be leaving the fleet by 2003 but about 10-15 will stay on (most likely the newest) to serve routes that only the 757 can do. Hesitance here to order A321s!


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineAirbus boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 722 times:

I get my info from the top. The person that said that the BA 757 are old and smell is a pilot who flies them. That is a pretty reliable source don't you think!!! I am sure he has been on more of the BA 757 then you have and gets info on why the are being sold. And about the 320 lots of people want to fly it, it is agreat airplane and very well made. That why more airlines are buying them and not the 737's! Also the news paper reported that BA was looking at the 717 BA has not said anything and the pilots do not even know what it is!! I doubt that they will. BA has ordered 150 320's why would they do that when the 717 was avilable then. You think Boeing is the best. But the are not that is why they are losing money. Airbus is building a better product and mor ereliable then Boeing!
Dave


User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 718 times:

I know 10% of UPS is being offered in stock,heck,I wish I could get in on it,but doubt it. I specifically asked the TNT saleman about this,since I heard a month ago about UPS trying to aquire DHL(they have FAR more experience in the international shipping area). Again,it was stated that the POs in Europe are deregulating and everyone scrambling to line up with the right partners. With that said,do you really think the German PO is going to let loose DHL,that already carries a considerable chunk of their mail? Do you honestly think the Dutch bank is going to let loose its grip on TNT? The reason why these POs bought whole or stakes in these companies were do battle with you guys,UPS and FEDEX.

You don't let wolf guard the hen house.


User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 713 times:

Airbus boy, you have posted yet another riduculous post.
1) Boeing has not lost money. Boeing has made money not only in it's military and space sectors, but also it's commercial aircraft lines (a lot of it this past year alone). This is information available everywhere. It would be nice to argue Boeing v. Airbus financially, but guess what, Airbus doesn't report figures because Airbus is not an actual standalone company.
2) Boeing planes don't smell. The people or cargo inside of them smell. If a BA 757 smells, then it's BA's fault and not the manufacturer.
3) The fact many of BA's pilots don't know what a 717 is doesn't mean much. I find most airline pilots are not up to speed on what is happening in the aerospace world and the airliner or aviation enthusiast is a rarity among airline pilots.
Airbus 318's have not yet been built. As a matter of fact, they haven't even yet gotten off of the drawing board. Once it is built and certified, it will be a good tool for a specific purpose.
The 717 weighs a lot less and has unbeatable costs for short haul operations. The 717 is a tool, that's it. If the tool works, then it works.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 718 times:

To answer a question asked above, the 717s (If thats the winning airframe) are to be based in Birmingham and Manchester I believe. They will be operated to Scotland though.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 717 times:

The Boeing 757's smell? MMM I do recall being on a A-320 and it smelled like fish REAL bad. Is that a Airbus thing? Yeah right!
Actually I was jumping a UAL flight from PAI to LAX and some fishermans catch must have been left in the cargo hold man was that ripe! BA's 75's smelling is a pretty bizarre reason.
I think they will go with the 717 just because it will keep Airbus honest when it comes to buying parts, or that next jet purchase.
Any maintenance personal here that can discuss how Airbus sells parts? From what our local inspector of Airworthiness for the FAA says it is pretty much a hook and grab with Airbus. They will offer a good price on the aircraft and nail you on the parts. Is this really the case?


User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 711 times:

All I know is there will be alot of cash flying  

User currently offlineAirbus Boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 713 times:

I would like to hear about my other ridiculous posts.

1) Let me compare the boeing and Airbus short haul as this is what we are talking about Airbus has 2040 short haul to be made and Boeing has 1254. So you are telling me that Boeing is doing good. What a joke. Airbus used to sell so few airplanes and now the are beating boeing by so much in orders.

2) You need to learn to read. I said that BA 757 smell not Boeing airplanes smell. The reason the smell is as they are old!! Boy that required a lot of thinking.

3) I think if BA are going to go and order a plane and get there pilots to fly it I think that the pilots would be asked about it and know a lot about the plane before saying yeah I will fly it. Unlike some people in the forum.


And about the 318 that was a random comment. It had not even been discussed. BA have bought 150 airbus 320's. And you are telling me it will be cheaper to to get a new simulator train new pilots get ground crews and maintenance workers on those airplanes. You need to take a lesson in economics.
Also your comment about Birmingham and Manchester those are served mostly by the franchises that BA have. I think that BA keeps no airplanes there I know they fly all there crews into there to fly out.

You need to be a little less forward with your rude comments as you need to learn a lot about BA before you clown some one else!!
Dave


User currently offlineAirbus boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 719 times:

I was told this by a BA pilot I asked him why are they selling there 757 he said they are getting old and smelly. I never said that the 757 smells Navion read wanted he wanted to read to create conflict.

User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 715 times:

I hope you didn't take offense to my post. I should have read more into it! Sorry


25 Navion : Okay Airbus boy, it's clear I don't care for your less than stellar people skills but moreover, your posts are convoluted logic. LETS TALK ECONOMICS.
26 Wingman : Navion, I sometimes lose my cool dealing with morons as well, but after reading his stupefying posts I have to say that Airbus Boy can't be a day olde
27 Navion : Well put Wingman. I was starting to think I was crazy. This guy (Airbus Boy) puts people down with his condescending tone, casts aspersions (such as B
28 Granite : Hi all Let's all get back to the topic that was originally posted. It was going well until the squabbling started. Remember the rules....or Johan will
29 CX747 : I think the one thing being overlooked in all this is BA choosing the right equipment for the job. While CCQ may save you money it doesn't mean that i
30 Wingman : All right. BA is losing money right now due to over capacity. They need planes they can fill to the rafters with business travelers that are low cost
31 William : The last stomping ground for the vernable DC-8 is slowly giving way to 757s. We know all things must change,they call it progress. But it is still nic
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