Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Did The Idea Of The A380 Come From Here?  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 5
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15976 times:

Why did Lockheed not pursue this further?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ss9ZyidjlI



Smaller than the A380 maybe , but doesn't the fuselage bear an uncanny resemblance?


Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
24 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15738 times:

It may have, but was more likely inspired by the McDonnell-Douglas MD-12.


I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15708 times:

I would say it came from the MD-12, they look nearly identical (especially the little winglets).

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15605 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 2):
I would say it came from the MD-12, they look nearly identical (especially the little winglets).

Do you think that the MD-12 was inspired by the Lockheed Constitution?



Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently onlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15571 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
Why did Lockheed not pursue this further?

The Lockheed Constitution was built as a military plane. Only two were built. The US Navy cancelled the contract and no more were built. Back in the late 1940's, airlines did not move people in the masses like they do today. Also after WWII, there was a huge surplus of airplanes. No airline had a need for an airplane that size.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
Smaller than the A380 maybe , but doesn't the fuselage bear an uncanny resemblance?

Not at all. The lower deck looks split, with sections in front and behind the wings.

Quoting JBo (Reply 1):
It may have, but was more likely inspired by the McDonnell-Douglas MD-12.

I agree. To build a very large airplane which will fit into today's airports, It needs to be a double decker. The only other choice is to make them longer. I don't think we will see any planes longer than the 748 in the near future.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15421 times:

I always thought that they took the idea from the Breguet that had a lower deck and an upper deck known as Breguet "Deux Ponts" a 4 propeller engine aircraft that used to fly until the 1960s.

http://jn.passieux.free.fr/html/Provence.php

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSU184 From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15363 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 4):
I don't think we will see any planes longer than the 748 in the near future.

The A340-600 is the longest around


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15337 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
Smaller than the A380 maybe , but doesn't the fuselage bear an uncanny resemblance?
Quoting JBo (Reply 1):
It may have, but was more likely inspired by the McDonnell-Douglas MD-12.
Quoting dl767captain (Reply 2):
I would say it came from the MD-12, they look nearly identical (especially the little winglets).
Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 3):
Do you think that the MD-12 was inspired by the Lockheed Constitution?

Apart form the fact that they are both double deckers, there is no commonality between the aircraft. Is the BMW 7 series "inspired" by the Mercedes S Class, or indeed the Ford Model T? They all have 4 wheels!



A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15337 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 4):
Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
Why did Lockheed not pursue this further?

The Lockheed Constitution was built as a military plane. Only two were built. The US Navy cancelled the contract and no more were built.

The Convair XC-99 was another very large double-decker (based on the B-36 bomber with a much larger fuselage) that never went beyond the prototype stage. Only one was built.

http://www.stinsonflyer.com/consolac/xc99.jpg

The Douglas C-124 Globemaster II military transport was probably the most successful double-deckers with 448 built. It was the primary USAF heavy transport in the 1950s and early 1960s until replaced by the Lockheed C-141 Starlifter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/C-124C_Globemaster_II.jpg


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15069 times:

Quoting SU184 (Reply 6):
The A340-600 is the longest around

Check B747-8 against A340-600 length  



A306, A313, A319, A320, A321, A332, A343, A345, A346 A388, AC90, B06, B722, B732, B733, B735, B738, B744, B762, B772, B7
User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1933 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14972 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
Smaller than the A380 maybe , but doesn't the fuselage bear an uncanny resemblance?

Hmmm, I think it is a bit of a stretch of the imagination to say the fuselage of this looks like that of the A380. However, the idea of a double decked aircraft has been around for quite a while now. I think I've even seen schematic drawings of the 747 as a full double deck before so I guess you could argue the A380 is the idea of a double deck aircraft finally realised.



Next Flights: 18/04/14 QF1011 MEL-HBA; 21/04/14 JQ712 HBA-MEL
User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14876 times:

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 9):
Check B747-8 against A340-600 length

Let's call it a draw....

The B747-8I will be the longest plane WHEN it enters revenue service....

The A340-600 is the longest currently IN revenue service....



DaHjaj jaj QaQ Daghajjaj !!!!
User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14820 times:

I'm sure the idea simply came from the 747.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14445 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
I always thought that they took the idea from the Breguet that had a lower deck and an upper deck known as Breguet "Deux Ponts" a 4 propeller engine aircraft that used to fly until the 1960s.

http://jn.passieux.free.fr/html/Prov...e.php

Interesting video footage of the Breguet "Deux Ponts" while in AF service . I think they were mainly used on routes to North Africa (Algeria, Morocco etc.).
http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...tage-division-all-rights-reserved/

Many good photos in this French site (7 pages....links to following pages hard to see at bottom right).
http://aeronewsline.forumactif.com/a.../breguet-deux-ponts-1949-t1595.htm


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14267 times:

Wouldn't it be SO awesome if there was a Lockheed Constitution around today that could be flown in airshows? And even better, with the JATO rockets (impossible I know but still).

Too bad the A380's snout isn't anywhere near as graceful and beautiful as the Constitution's.


User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13390 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 14):
Too bad the A380's snout

That ol' ugly thing.. Blech..



[NOT IN SERVICE] {WEStJet}
User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13048 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
I always thought that they took the idea from the Breguet that had a lower deck and an upper deck known as Breguet "Deux Ponts" a 4 propeller engine aircraft that used to fly until the 1960s.

http://jn.passieux.free.fr/html/Provence.php

From the link:

"cet avion pouvait voler à 340 km/h en croisière et emportait jusqu'à 107 passagers avec quatre membres d'équipage ou 59 passagers si le pont supérieur était seul utilisé, le pont inférieur étant alors réservé aux marchandises."

In plain English, it had a capacity of 107 pax or 59 if the lower deck was used for freight. It was a combi. Shame that option is not open to the A380. Removing half the pax would free the bird up for belly cargo too.


User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11383 times:

I suppose the primary reason Airbus went with the double-deck configuration is that it was the most logical approach to the problem of getting the most people into a reasonably comfortable flying environment. I don't believe they go the idea from any one airplane. They probably considered a number of options and decided the double deck was the way to go. Didn't they even look at a double wide fuselage configuration at one point?


Dare to dream; dream big!
User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10882 times:

I think Airbus studied a variety of different configurations. Most of them probably being studied/build by the many airframes of the previous 80 years. It's even documented at youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmigvHkBQIc

Many aircraft look the same from a distance for people not really into aerospace. In reality they are unique designs.


User currently offlineHomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

Actually, I kinda think that the Lockheed's nose looks somewhat like a 747's nose, based on its shape.


I was raised by a cup of coffee.
User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Quoting Homsar (Reply 19):
Actually, I kinda think that the Lockheed's nose looks somewhat like a 747's nose, based on its shape.

It's because the cockpit is on the second floor. Form follows function.

Axel



Wer wenig weiss muss vieles glauben
User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

BTW, the fuselage of the Constitution reminds me a bit of a DC8.

Axel

[Edited 2010-05-29 08:46:55]


Wer wenig weiss muss vieles glauben
User currently offlinepink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Amazing that Lockheed holds 180 passengers. A 737 holds 215 passengers. My how times and tech. change

User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5499 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

I would say it came from my 6th grade invention, when I created a double decker airplane. Just a few years later the A380 was announced.

User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

I would say the idea came from several places.

1. Airbus wanting to out do its rivals and make the biggest pax plane, as well as wanting to make a double decker plane.

2. Airlines wanting bigger, better planes that can go further and are more economical than ever.

3. Someone actually putting into place what had been expected for years, a double decker plane.



@777Worldliner
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Where Did The Word "Plane" Come From posted Fri Feb 7 2003 09:09:58 by Trent_800
Where Does The Swiss LX Come From posted Tue Oct 18 2005 15:01:00 by RootsAir
Where Does The Airbus Efficiency Come From? posted Fri Dec 3 2004 23:50:24 by Ruscoe
Did Boeing Ever Offer Or Float The Idea Of A 744C posted Mon Sep 1 2003 05:09:54 by Jetjack74
LAX - Where Does The "X" Come From? posted Sat Dec 29 2001 22:14:45 by Blackened
Where Will The A380 Pilots Come From? posted Sun Sep 9 2007 18:13:07 by Tarheel
Where Did The CAA MD-80s Come From? posted Sun Mar 12 2006 09:37:15 by A340Spotter
B6 LGB-SMF: Where Did The Slots Come From? posted Thu Mar 9 2006 02:29:26 by FA4B6
Where Did The IndiGo Order Come From? posted Fri Jun 17 2005 10:07:04 by Baflyer
Where Did Boeing Get The 7_7 Idea From? posted Tue Sep 14 2004 01:03:19 by RobK