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Allegiant Ending Monterey To San Diego Flights  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6224 times:

Allegiant has announced that it will discontinue service between MRY and SAN after July 30. This is not a seasonal change.

The airline says the cancellation is due to lack of market demand.

Allegiant began the route in May 2009 (about a year after XJet had ended service on the route).

http://www.montereyherald.com/business/ci_15188479


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

And so the memorable year of 2010 continues it's generally downward trend in SAN.  

I imagine this isn't particularly great news for MRY either, having now lost both LAX and SAN service, with LAS the only existing route as of August. (There's been talk about MRY landing Hawaii service when G4 gets that started so we'll have to see how that develops and how G4 sees the station's potential at that time.)

I had both hope and doubts about G4 on the SAN-MRY route; 150 seats is a lot to fill at a time, even if only twice a week. But it was known (and verified in the article) that ExpressJet did well in the market -- along with SAN-FAT! -- but of course they had a better arrangement (small jets with more frequency).

It is interesting to see in print that SAN is the second biggest market out of MRY and the folks there seem intent on getting someone else on the route a soon as they can. Horizon, of course, (as also mentioned in the article) would seem like a perfect fit. If a daily flight -- a Q400 or an RJ -- with less seats is offered, it should stand a good chance of success.

Dadgummit Horizon, let's get started with some of these golden opportunities out of Lindbergh!!!

Of course the bigger Allegiant-question to me is if this situation really screws whatever slim chances we might have ever had to see Lindbergh established as any kind of G4 base operation with multiple flights to several destinations. I can't see this helping that possibility at all...

Thanks for the update 'Flyer; thanks a lot!  

Have a great Memorial Day Weekend everyone.

bb


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Would this route do better with smaller A/C? Maybe California Pacific Airlines?


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5735 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
And so the memorable year of 2010 continues it's generally downward trend in SAN.

Downward trend??? You got Hawaii and Mexico with AS!!! If WN left SAN...that would be downward trend or more like a downward spiral.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5535 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
Dadgummit Horizon, let's get started with some of these golden opportunities out of Lindbergh!!!

I actually could see this. What if SEA-MRY service starts like has been rumored? Why not do a SEA-MRY-SAN turn once or twice a day?

Nonetheless, sad to see this route being cut. As has been mentioned, MRY/FAT-SAN are just waiting for the picking when someone finally decides to give it a go again with smaller aircraft.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5265 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
I imagine this isn't particularly great news for MRY either, having now lost both LAX and SAN service, with LAS the only existing route as of August. (There's been talk about MRY landing Hawaii service when G4 gets that started so we'll have to see how that develops and how G4 sees the station's potential at that time.)



On Thursday there was a Canadian North plane doing touch-and-goes at MRY as I was waiting for an American Eagle flight to come in.

I'd like to know what that was about.  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

Interesting how G4 misjudged and struck out with 2 of its 3 Monterey markets.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
Downward trend??? You got Hawaii and Mexico with AS!!! If WN left SAN...that would be downward trend or more like a downward spiral


Hey D; well, so far this year we've lost 1 carrier and 4 routes, plus overall pax traffic is even at best, probably down a bit. But we are actually +8 on "new" routes (inc the nice AS ones you mentioned!) so maybe we're about even on the year. (I see losing a carrier as a major hit, especially when it's one of only 2 foreign flags serving Lindbergh!)

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 4):
What if SEA-MRY service starts like has been rumored?


As mentioned in the article, yes, that would be a very good start. Once QX has a presence at MRY, then...

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 4):
Why not do a SEA-MRY-SAN turn once or twice a day?


...This would sure seem like a logical extension to me too!

But even if not a thru SEA-SAN flight, due to timing, equipment, or whatever, something between MRY and SAN on either a/c flown by QX would be a winner!

With the positive attitude seen lately by the AAG toward SAN, I hope Horizon finally gives the nod to a Lindbergh start-up with at least an initial 2-route operation, MRY and FAT.

bb


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5135 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Interesting how G4 misjudged and struck out with 2 of its 3 Monterey markets.

I was puzzled about that. Or rather - I was puzzled as to what market they saw with this service.

I'd guess 2 or 3 x weekly doesn't work for most business people making the relatively short journey, and I'm not sure how much leisure market there would be.

When I lived not too much further north than Monterey I would fly to LAX for business, but if we wanted to spend a few days in San Diego because then we'd have the car and could zap around - even across the border.

I might have been tempted to fly if it were just for a week-end maybe, but the service didn't really work for that.

mariner



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 8):
I'd guess 2 or 3 x weekly doesn't work for most business people making the relatively short journey, and I'm not sure how much leisure market there would be.

and lets not forget that their VERY limted distribtuion channels preclude business travelers from accessing their schedules/flights!


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

They were interesting choices to begin with.

The news article says that LAX is the 2nd largest overall market, SAN is the overall 3rd largest market at MRY (I'm adding SFO back in although the artice did not) but I do not know the pax numbers on Allegiant.

So I wonder if the lack of market demand on the routes was on the ancillary side, not selling enough hotels, rental cars, etc.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

My guess would be that a lot of the traffic between MRY and SAN is VFR (including perhaps some Mexican-bound folks) and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of both n/b and s/b travelers would just be interested in weekend "getaways." I have family and friends in both areas and SJC has generally been the airport used for short hops back and forth; without at least a daily r/t between MRY and SAN, a lot of the travel probably shows up in the DOT stats as either MRY-LAX or SJC-SAN.

I would also suppose that much of the business travel between MRY and SAN, including military, might be day or single- overnight trips. They would therefore not be able to take advantage of G4's service either; again, probably using SJC-SAN.

(Similar to SAN-FAT traffic; when there is no direct service offered, people either fly FAT-LAX + surface or they just drive the whole distance. When flights such as ExpressJet existed, people took them.)

bb


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
I hope Horizon finally gives the nod to a Lindbergh start-up with at least an initial 2-route operation, MRY and FAT.

Maybe they can include BOI-SAN (AGAIN) lol. I still think well timed (seems to be QX's downfal on this route the pervious times attempted) flights can do well.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6579 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 9):
Quoting mariner (Reply 8):
I'd guess 2 or 3 x weekly doesn't work for most business people making the relatively short journey, and I'm not sure how much leisure market there would be.

and lets not forget that their VERY limted distribtuion channels preclude business travelers from accessing their schedules/flights!

Allegiant's core market segment isn't business travelers, although I am sure that they will gladly take business travelers' money if they're paying fares from higher buckets or purchasing hotel/car rental packages. The ancillary revenue from business travelers is likely to be lower for Allegiant.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
The news article says that LAX is the 2nd largest overall market, SAN is the overall 3rd largest market at MRY (I'm adding SFO back in although the artice did not) but I do not know the pax numbers on Allegiant.

Just from the numbers, it is difficult to know the breakdown between business travelers and leisure travelers (and more specifically, leisure travelers looking for car/hotel/attraction packages). G4, of course, wants more of the latter.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
My guess would be that a lot of the traffic between MRY and SAN is VFR (including perhaps some Mexican-bound folks) and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of both n/b and s/b travelers would just be interested in weekend "getaways." I have family and friends in both areas and SJC has generally been the airport used for short hops back and forth

And, of course, VFR is a niche that works poorly for Allegiant, since VFR travelers are often being picked up at the airport (no need for car rental) and staying with friends/relatives (no need for hotel rooms).


User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
. When flights such as ExpressJet existed, people took them

truthfully, Express Jet had a brilliant route structure , but they simply did not charge enough ! if MCI-YYZ with AC Jazz survivis nearly a decade oif continuous service at 35-40 per centt LF , then that tells me the yield is sufficeint to sustain a profit!


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
(Similar to SAN-FAT traffic; when there is no direct service offered, people either fly FAT-LAX surface or they just drive the whole distance. When flights such as ExpressJet existed, people took them.)

You might be surprised to learn there are people who book FAT-PHX-SAN because they can get better fares.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
And, of course, VFR is a niche that works poorly for Allegiant, since VFR travelers are often being picked up at the airport (no need for car rental) and staying with friends/relatives (no need for hotel rooms).

Actually I think Allegiant has no problem with VFR as long as the route is profitable.

According to G4 presentations, they see a lot of originating traffic at the vacation destinations which would be mainly VFR. Their numbers from November 2009 show them averaging about 23% originating at the major destinations and ranging from:
about 15% originating at LAS
about 25% originating at Orlando
about 30% originating PIE
about 32% originating AZA
about 35% originating at LAX.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...10465909064374/g334291mm03i014.gif

That is a lot of seats that they are willing to sell outbound to what is probably mainly VFR. I would not expect many tourists in those destinations to be buying vacation packages for the small cities.  



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
They were interesting choices to begin with.

The news article says that LAX is the 2nd largest overall market, SAN is the overall 3rd largest market at MRY (I'm adding SFO back in although the artice did not) but I do not know the pax numbers on Allegiant.

I wonder if those numbers are based upon the period when Express Jet was in the market? You'll recall, SAN went from nowhere to one of the top O&D at FAT during that period. With only two flights a week between MRY and SAN, that SAN remains so high on their O&D list is a little questionable.

Alas, with G4 pulling MRT-SAN, I guess I'll stop holding my breath for FAT-SAN.

QX is the logical, if only option, for SAN for either MRY or FAT. But, if its true that QX has a lease customer for a couple CRJ 700's, I'd expect that the number of available Q's rules that out. MRY at least has WN at SJC as an option to SAN. FAT has nothing. You can't afford to fly to LAX. You can't afford to fly to SAN. The option is about the same at FAT for SAN as it is in MRY, meaning, drive to SJC and catch WN. But, for FAT, it's a 2:30 drive.

I'd love to see another carrier take a shot at the secondary markets in the West. And, no, not California Pacific, which is but another example of underfunded mistakes. It will take an existing carrier and reasonable fuel costs to make it work. Expressjet had the infrastructure but the spike in fuel costs only helped curtail what could have been a success story.

My .02....


User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 14):
truthfully, Express Jet had a brilliant route structure , but they simply did not charge enough ! if MCI-YYZ with AC Jazz survivis nearly a decade oif continuous service at 35-40 per centt LF , then that tells me the yield is sufficeint to sustain a profit!

EXACTLY.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 16):
I wonder if those numbers are based upon the period when Express Jet was in the market? You'll recall, SAN went from nowhere to one of the top O&D at FAT during that period. With only two flights a week between MRY and SAN, that SAN remains so high on their O&D list is a little questionable.


Since there are questions and assumptions being made involving traffic figures, I looked up the DOT records for the last 3 quarters of 2009. Of course these are O&D traffic only but here's what was listed:

city pair...PDEW 2Q09...PDEW 3Q09...PDEW 4Q09
MRY-LAX........44...................43.................42
MRY-LAS........17...................29.................28
MRY-SAN.......22...................26.................27
MRY-SFO........0.....................0...................0

Here's my take. First, as would be expected, SFO-MRY, flown about 6x daily (by UEx EM2s), is obviously about 99% connecting traffic (less than 10 pax/day total apparently fly the route locally) so that is why the MRY folks don't include those numbers in destination rankings. As with SAN-LAX, the local traffic between the Bay Area and MRY simply stays on the ground.

Second, there is a lot of connecting traffic on the MRY-LAX flights as well because the frequency of flights handles much more than ~43 pax/day. In any case, LAX is still the largest local-traffic market out of Peninsula Airport yet G4 could not make that service work, probably due to the frequent flights -- a total of 7 daily -- offered by Eagle and UEx.

Third, DOT-measured MRY-LAS and MRY-SAN traffic is very similar and I would assume that the MRY folks have other data sources, such as airport surveys of actual origins/destinations of pax taken at, for example, MRY, SJC, SFO airports and probably C of C data from Monterey, Salinas and Carmel, that inform them that more people head to SAN than to LAS. (And that doesn't come as any surprise to me.)

Seeing the similar numbers between SAN and LAS, I guess we might ask how G4 is considering MRY-LAS successful but MRY-SAN not. The first thought that comes to me is the hotel/car factor that might be higher for Nevada than for SoCal. Anyone?

Finally, the SAN-MRY service on G4 started about a year ago (5-3-09) and the XE service in the market ceased on 9-2-08 so the market has seen somewhat sporadic service. (That would make the XE traffic-data quite old as of today.) LAS-service has, I presume, been op'd by G4 for a couple of years at least (?) and has been more consistent.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 16):
I'd love to see another carrier take a shot at the secondary markets in the West. And, no, not California Pacific, which is but another example of underfunded mistakes. It will take an existing carrier and reasonable fuel costs to make it work


I certainly agree with your first and last sentence, What' but not with your second sentence; CPA is NOT an underfunded mistake but, if it does get things off the ground, it won't fly from SAN or to MRY anyway so it's a moot point in this discussion.

I do think QX is THE primary option here, unless some totally off-the-wall, outside-the-box idea emerges from the likes of the Republic/Frontier management or something similar to that -- extremely remote chance but let's not rule anything out, right Mariner?...

bb


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3603 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
I do think QX is THE primary option here, unless some totally off-the-wall, outside-the-box idea emerges from the likes of the Republic/Frontier management or something similar to that -- extremely remote chance but let's not rule anything out, right Mariner?

Never say never, but I would be surprised if they started any intra-California - or north/south west coast - service. Then again, they've surprised me before.

BB is extremely conscious of it, however, as something the Frontier pax need. Presently, he's looking at doing it with code share, but I dunno who he has in mind.

California Pacific? LOL.

mariner



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
hird, DOT-measured MRY-LAS and MRY-SAN traffic is very similar and I would assume that the MRY folks have other data sources, such as airport surveys of actual origins/destinations of pax taken at, for example, MRY, SJC, SFO airports and probably C of C data from Monterey, Salinas and Carmel, that inform them that more people head to SAN than to LAS. (And that doesn't come as any surprise to me.)

In the MRY application for a SCASD grant last year, they used these numbers as "true market size" of potential passengers (I assume this is from their studies including maybe the sources you mention).
MRY-LAX - 66,185 pax annually = 91 pax per day each way (PDEW)
MRY-SAN - 49,887 pax annually = 68 pax PDEW
MRY-PHX - 39,210 pax annually = 54 pax PDEW
MRY-SEA - 32,026 pax annually = 44 pax PDEW
MRY-ORD - 30,583 pax annually = 42 pax PDEW
MRY-MRY-LAS - 25,778 pax annually = 35 pax PDEW
MRY-DFW - 25,059 pax annually = 34 pax PDEW
MRY-NYC - 24,796 pax annually = 34 pax PDEW
MRY- Wash DC - 24,695 pax annually = 34 pax PDEW
source: DOT-OST-2009-0149-0032

And just for reference, according to the Hawaii tourism bureau, actual visitors from the Salinas/Monterey MSA to all islands in 2008 totaled 12,210.

We do not know the breakdown of business vs. leisure to the first set of routes, if G4 was only getting 1/3 of the estimated MRY-SAN market then maybe there is more business traffic than we expect and thus frequency is an issue.

Or it could be low ancillary revenue generation at both ends of MRY-SAN because pax chose to drive, again we don't know.

But based on MRY's estimated size of the SAN market aircraft it looks to me like daily service on a smaller aircraft will also be tough. The operator would need to price to compete with SJC and capture most of the "true" market plus stimulate more.

Apparently, Allegiant is capturing nearly all of the potential LAS traffic at MRY, not much driveaway to SJC or elsewhere. But that is leisure oriented with decent pricing, hopefully the ancillary revenues continue to work for it.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
LAS-service has, I presume, been op'd by G4 for a couple of years at least (?) and has been more consistent.

Right at 2 years, MRY-LAS has only operated since May 30 2008. They started the SAN and LAX flights about a year later on May 3 2009.

[Edited 2010-05-31 10:14:32]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
In the MRY application for a SCASD grant last year, they used these numbers as "true market size" of potential passengers (I assume this is from their studies including maybe the sources you mention).
MRY-LAX - 66,185 pax annually = 91 pax per day each way (PDEW)
MRY-SAN - 49,887 pax annually = 68 pax PDEW


Thanks a lot for those figures 'Flyer; very interesting. I note that Vegas is not included in the list.

I think the SAN-figure is healthy enough to at least try a daily 70-ish seat flight. Having no idea exactly where MRY's estimates of the "true market size" came from, or how accurate they are, it still seems likely to me that if reliable service were offered consistently, frequently (read: 1 r/t daily timed "right", whatever that is), and at a fair price, traffic would appear quickly, grow nicely, and the route should be a keeper.

As with FAT-SAN, XE had success with multiple daily flights on MRY-SAN a couple of years ago. That should be a nudge in the right direction for all concerned...

Of course I'm kind of biased so don't trust my feelings!  

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
I note that Vegas is not included in the list.

Actually it is but the listing is showing MRY twice. I tried to edit it earlier but in the edit mode it only showed it once, strange.

Here it is again:

Quote:
MRY-MRY-LAS - 25,778 pax annually = 35 pax PDEW
....
Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
As with FAT-SAN, XE had success with multiple daily flights on MRY-SAN a couple of years ago. That should be a nudge in the right direction for all concerned...

Of course pricing on XE made a difference in market stimulation too. Did MRY-SAN ever increase frequency under XE, I know at FAT they increased flights.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3221 times:
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Quoting hatbutton (Reply 4):
I actually could see this. What if SEA-MRY service starts like has been rumored? Why not do a SEA-MRY-SAN turn once or twice a day?

Nonetheless, sad to see this route being cut. As has been mentioned, MRY/FAT-SAN are just waiting for the picking when someone finally decides to give it a go again with smaller aircraft.

As an AS/QX insider...that's just cold!!! LOL!

AS/QX does have a pretty limited resource when it comes to aircraft. I've been a fan of encouraging QX to fly SEA/PDX/LAX-MRY using Q400's. I don't think it will happen unless we QX order more Q400's.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
I see losing a carrier as a major hit

You're not losing G4 at SAN. Just a few frequencies. Isn't G4 maintaining the BLI-SAN flights?


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3170 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 23):
As an AS/QX insider...that's just cold!!! LOL!

I'm merely talking about how to position an aircraft to do MRY-SAN. I highly doubt we'd keep a Q400 in SAN just to do turns out of there. It'd have to originate somewhere in SEA/PDX. So it'd be nice for aircraft scheduling to do SEA-MRY-SAN. Doesn't mean anyone would buy a ticket all the way to SAN though.

Of course you can take SEA-STS-LAX already right now. If you're brave enough. SEA-MRY-SAN wouldn't be much different.


25 wedgetail737 : I know...I was just busting your chops. There are actually several ways to get from SEA-LAX on QX...one is through MFR and other is through RNO. I ev
26 SANFan : Doh!! Stupid me; talk about not reading very carefully... The initial schedule from SAN to FAT and MRY (starting 5/4/07) was 2 daily for each (as wit
27 wedgetail737 : Oh yeah...I forgot about AM leaving SAN. But they are pretty fickle...so they may show back up at SAN in the not-too-distant future.
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