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How Can TUS Attract More Flights?  
User currently offlineTUSdawg23 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Hey guys,

First time poster. Been a lurker on here for many years and finally decided to caugh up the money for an account. I've grown up in TUS most of my life and have been a private pilot based out of TUS for the last 3 or 4 years. I've seen a lot of cuts lately at TUS and its disappointing to say the least.

After the $100/barrel fuel prices that put a big dent in the industry a few years ago, TUS took quite a hit and lost air service. B6 dropped its daily JFK flight citing high fuel prices at the time, Xjet dropped its branded ops and out went OMA, GEG, RNO, MCI and AUS.

I thought some services might be continued when fuel prices went down and the airport authority spent considerable money to upgrade the parking area and terminal at TUS. Still, it seems that TUS is still struggling to attract any new service, but rather is having to suffer through more cuts. WN added MDW which has done well, but subsequently dropped OAK. Delta has changed TUS-MSP from daily to seasonal and TUS-SLC flight going from mainline to an RJ. CO is now in the process of TUS-IAH going from mainline to a few RJ flights through Xjet.

So what can TUS do to establish itself and regain more air service? It's biggest obstacle is that its next door neighbor PHX has overshadowed TUS for the obvious reasons that it's a bigger market, is only about a 2 hour drive from TUS and generally has cheaper fares, but I feel that TUS is capable of sustaining more air service. SFO, JFK and IAD/BWI I think are all excellent candidates if airlines can remove the "seasonal" tag from TUS and realize the market is there for year round ops.

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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

I lived in Tucson from 2004'2009 and was a frequent flyer from Tucson, mainly to California. In addition to B6 and Express Jet, also AM cancelled its daily roundtrip to Hermosillo, México.
I never recall the DL flights to Salt Lake being anything other than RJs. Also, UA had a Washington, DC flight for a short time and in 2004 still served ORD.
On a positive note: AA had maintained a decent level of service with around 6 or 7 daily flights to DFW and 2 to ORD. WN added an additional daily Denver flight and UAX added a second flight to SFO. For my first couple years in Tucson, Frontier only used RJs and then went mainline for their two daily flights.
DL tried a third daily to ATL during the summer on an RJ and NW had a Saturday to Memphis for a while. USX when it was still AMX had a couple of flights to LAS.
What killed Express Jet was their limited schedule. I used to fly, almost monthly to SMF. With only two departures, and no connecting options, I stuck with WN. I flew Express Jet once for the experience and it was great but not enough to capture my business.
Folks who live in the very northern part of Tucson, like Oro Valley can easily drive to PHX which hurts TUS numbers.
I would like to see weekend service to Puerto Peñasco, the resumption of the Hermosillo flight. It is interesting that most of the time the flight was on a EMB 45 seater prop and averaged over 2,000 a month. We have to admit that Tucson is very seasonal due to weather and winter tourism.

Thanks for your post.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Thread starter):
Delta has changed TUS-MSP from daily to seasonal and TUS-SLC flight going from mainline to an RJ. CO is now in the process of TUS-IAH going from mainline to a few RJ flights through Xjet.

TUS-IAH has bounced between mainline and XJT for a while now. They put a 737 on it in the spring and fall. Nothing new there. TUS-MSP has been a 2x seasonal and 1x daily for ages, and for as long as I've been in TUS (8 years) TUS-SLC has been regional.

The biggest complaint I have is that WN is cutting their second MDW flight in the fall. The WN ops folks I know think this is a moot point since it routes through DEN, but I tell them it adds an extra 90 minutes of travel time and kills a bunch of eastbound connections (LGA mainly). I want my nonstop OAK flight back, since I go to the Bay Area every few weeks. I really want an early morning TUS-SEA flight on AS. That would be the best thing AS could do.

TUS is in a strange location, relative to the rest of town. If you're not off the 19 or 10 freeways, it can take just as long to get to TUS as it can to PHX (especially if you're in the north part of town). In reality though, TUS is a great location. I can leave my house 1 hour before my flight, park, chat with my WN friends, and get thru security with time to spare. Parking is $4/day and it's super convenient. Even on the busiest days, without my WN A-list card, security is a quick process. Beats PHX hands down every time.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

In my view, Tucson has a few negatives;
1 - relative small size market
2 - very seasonal
3 - lower yielding leisure
4 - closeness of PHX which clearly bleeds TUS destined traffic.



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User currently offlineTUSdawg23 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 1):
Quoting DesertAir (Reply 1):
I would like to see weekend service to Puerto Peñasco, the resumption of the Hermosillo flight. It is interesting that most of the time the flight was on a EMB 45 seater prop and averaged over 2,000 a month. We have to admit that Tucson is very seasonal due to weather and winter tourism.

I would love to be service start up to Mexico again. I think Hermosillo is worth a shot again as is maybe even a weekend service to Cabo could work.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 2):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 2):
TUS-IAH has bounced between mainline and XJT for a while now. They put a 737 on it in the spring and fall. Nothing new there. TUS-MSP has been a 2x seasonal and 1x daily for ages, and for as long as I've been in TUS (8 years) TUS-SLC has been regional.

Ya after thinking about it I don't think SLC has been mainline since I was a kid and I thought that before the merger, NW flew TUS-MSP daily, but guess I was wrong.


Quoting chrisair (Reply 2):
I can leave my house 1 hour before my flight, park, chat with my WN friends, and get thru security with time to spare. Parking is $4/day and it's super convenient. Even on the busiest days, without my WN A-list card, security is a quick process. Beats PHX hands down every time.

  

I think TUS needs to be more aggressive in marketing itself as a convenient, hassle free alternative to PHX

Quoting chrisair (Reply 2):
I want my nonstop OAK flight back, since I go to the Bay Area every few weeks

Why did WN cut that flight? The only Bay Area option for us is OO when I think the demand is easily there for a few 737's a day. SFO/OAK/SJC are viable options and even SMF I think could warrant a non-stop.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6369 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Thread starter):
So what can TUS do to establish itself and regain more air service?

Pack up the entire town and move it just west of the state line with New Mexico   

Seriously, TUS's biggest problem is that it is just too close to PHX.



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User currently offlinedlphoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Thread starter):
So what can TUS do to establish itself and regain more air service?

Not much. TUS is a destination, not a hub. As such trafic will grow with the local population and economy.

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 4):
I think TUS needs to be more aggressive in marketing itself as a convenient, hassle free alternative to PHX

TUS is not a hassle free alternative to PHX. Someone who lives/works at the southermost outskirts of Phoenix metro will have to leave home earlier if she/he wants to catch a flight out of TUS.

DLP


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15727 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
Pack up the entire town and move it just west of the state line with New Mexico

That was my first thought as well.

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 6):
TUS is not a hassle free alternative to PHX.

Isn't AZA already the hassle free alternative to PHX? Granted they only have Allegiant and my only time going through PHX (in 2004) was not particularly stressful.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 4):
Why did WN cut that flight? The only Bay Area option for us is OO when I think the demand is easily there for a few 737's a day. SFO/OAK/SJC are viable options and even SMF I think could warrant a non-stop.

Those flights were supposedly never full. When I took them though, they were packed. If the Bay Area gets nonstop service on WN, it'll go to OAK and OAK only. There probably isn't enough demand to send one to SJC (QX and AS tried this route) or SFO without a feed on the SFO end.

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 6):
TUS is not a hassle free alternative to PHX. Someone who lives/works at the southermost outskirts of Phoenix metro will have to leave home earlier if she/he wants to catch a flight out of TUS.

Sure it is. If you live in Tucson, it's a total hassle free alternative. I don't think anyone expects TUS to pull people out of PHX. Although, this year I've noticed a lot of TUS flights are cheaper than PHX on WN. TUS-MDW being one example: $160 out of TUS, $200 out of PHX. That works for me!

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
Seriously, TUS's biggest problem is that it is just too close to PHX.

It's ~120 miles, airport to airport. It's not that close.


User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

One has to wonder if the level of service that TUS does get is more than enough given the size and average wealth of the population in the Tucson area. I think that a case can be made that service here is actually fairly sufficient. If you consider the amount of nonstop destinations served, it's actually not that bad. That said, I do share the OP's sentiment that it's a shame that so many flights have gotten reduced and/or dropped to TUS but on the other hand, I also think that TUS had many superfluous flights around 2-3 years ago that really weren't necessary and were there just because fuel prices were relatively low and the economy was good. Just off the top of my head, some flights that have come and gone were the XJ branded flights, B6 to JFK, CO to EWR, UA to IAD, and US to CLT. Also, as has been stated in this thread, many other flights have gotten reduced from mainline to regional jets, such as most flights to IAH and DEN, and even US has cut down its capacity to PHX. AA still does well with 7 dailies to DFW and 2 to ORD, but that's only because of a major business contract. AA used to actually fly (IIRC) 10 dailies to DFW and 4 dailies to ORD around 3 years ago.

So in the end, I think that once the economy picks up again, TUS will definitely see more flights - both new cities and upgrading of flights to mainline. I definitely think that there's a market here for at least one nonstop flight to somewhere in the Northeast (oddly enough, the B6 flight may have held out if CO didn't purposely enter the market to drive B6 out and then pull out itself).

But also, the awful design of the city of Tucson (like someone said) make it such that if you live in a certain part of town, it might not take that much longer to get to PHX than to TUS. I do disagree with those that say PHX is always cheaper, because I know for a fact that this is definitely not always the case, but the location and convenience factor certainly does make a difference.


User currently offlineTUSdawg23 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 9):
I definitely think that there's a market here for at least one nonstop flight to somewhere in the Northeast (oddly enough, the B6 flight may have held out if CO didn't purposely enter the market to drive B6 out and then pull out itself).

Thanks for the great post, but I am curious about why you think CO would want to exert its efforts purposely coming into TUS to drive out B6 over a route that they've only operated on a seasonal basis every so often(EWR)?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Isn't AZA already the hassle free alternative to PHX? Granted they only have Allegiant and my only time going through PHX (in 2004) was not particularly stressful.

For the business traveler no. At least not right now. Allegiant is a totally different type of carrier catering solely to the leisure traveler, so for business travelers living in the Phoenix area, PHX is really the only option.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15727 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 10):
At least not right now

It isn't really needed at the moment. And honestly what is more likely if PHX becomes a problem: some airlines move to AZA, or they add flights to TUS and market it as a PHX alternative?



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 10):

Welcome to Airliners.net!

I too enjoy TUS. I have business that takes me there and usually take the old NW MSP connection. I think the area has a great airport and it is a lot easier to navigate than the PHX mess. However, In reality, TUS has now about the service it deserves. I don't think things are going to change much in the near term.


User currently offlinetrojanclipper From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

When I lived in Tucson, UA had 3 daily flights to SFO and several to ORD as well. The problem I see, in addition to the ones mentioned above, is that IBM closed their Tucson facility and I know a lot of people from the Bay Area who used to have to go to TUS often. Also, smaller companies like Up With People (which had a lot of travel) pulled out for a more central location, then went bankrupt. They have some world-class resorts, but when I can fly cheaper from SFO to Hawaii than I can to TUS, I'll take Hawaii.

User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3964 times:
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Quoting DesertAir (Reply 1):
I would like to see weekend service to Puerto Peñasco

Interesting thought- although PHX would provide more connectivity (TUS has all the major markets in the southwest that would consider going to Puerto Penasco though. The mid-west and east generally haven't heard of the place.)

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 1):
Tucson is very seasonal due to weather and winter tourism.

TUS somewhat reminds me of RNO or PSP- they struggle to keep some major destinations year around.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 2):
The biggest complaint I have is that WN is cutting their second MDW flight in the fall.

I think they've done this before, IIRC, or at least it hasn't been 2x daily all that long.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
In my view, Tucson has a few negatives;
1 - relative small size market
2 - very seasonal
3 - lower yielding leisure
4 - closeness of PHX which clearly bleeds TUS destined traffic.

I think that pretty well sums it up. WN pretty well has price controls on TUS, and AA has quite a bit of the eastbound connecting traffic.

It's unfortunate B6 struggled to make TUS work, but between being low yield, a long domestic flight, and high fuel prices at times during the route I see why it didn't work.



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User currently offlineDokfdoe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
Seriously, TUS's biggest problem is that it is just too close to PHX.

I live in Southern California and am from Tucson and currently living in Tucson due to family concerns. I travel three weeks a month and Tucson's problem with air service is a lack of industry to support it, that's all. For industrial manufacturing of any real size, there's pretty much only Raytheon now. But even in the hey-day with Raytheon (Hughes), IBM and Learjet, there wasn't a ton more service to/from Tucson as I remember, only no RJs, which I for one at 6'3 and 255, pretty much despise.

Tucson is simply an outstation, often times, way-out.

I live in Oro Valley and the drive is only about 35 minutes to TUS, it's NOT equal to driving to Phoenix. Phoenix is two hours by the time you get out of Tucson/Oro Valley and get parked in Phoenix, then it's a matter of getting to the terminal if you park off-airport.

I do though like flying from here for all the reasons previously mentioned, fast TSA, cheap parking, etc, but TUS is all too often going to be a one-stop travel experience to wherever you want to go. If the business was here to support it, the airlines would be here too, it's all about following the money and the money isn't in Tucson in huge piles, but they are doing well with what they serve.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Been to TUS a gazillion times, and it is sad to say that there is absoluly nothing to do in TUS. This is why PHX gets all the fun and TUS is the step-child of the State of Arizona. The only thing TUS offers, attraction-wise, is Spring Training (The Rockies have their Spring Training site there...not sure if that will change next year for a PHX move...), Davis Mothian Air Museum, Tombstone and that is pretty much it.....

Sedona is closer to PHX than TUS is, which is a huge, huge tourist attraction. PHX/Northern Arizona has a lot, lot more to offer than TUS ever will.

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 1):
We have to admit that Tucson is very seasonal due to weather and winter tourism.

  

Quoting chrisair (Reply 8):
It's ~120 miles, airport to airport. It's not that close.

It is close, considering the speed limit on the Freeways is 75+ MPH, in the middle of the desert. You can be within the PHX metro area within an hour or so.



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User currently offlineTUSdawg23 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting trojanclipper (Reply 13):
They have some world-class resorts, but when I can fly cheaper from SFO to Hawaii than I can to TUS, I'll take Hawaii.

Thanks for specifics on lack of demand to the Bay Area, but when can you fly cheaper from SFO to Hawaii than TUS? Most Bay Area travelers to TUS make a stop since OO only has one flight a day normally and its usually much cheaper than non stop to Hawaii.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 14):
I think that pretty well sums it up. WN pretty well has price controls on TUS

WN competes with F9 and OO on DEN and AA on Chicago, so not completely. I think WN is the one airline that has the best opportunity to grow more out of TUS right now. I think SNA or ONT would be good places to give another alternative to SoCal and also BWI I think could work.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2219 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 9):
AA still does well with 7 dailies to DFW and 2 to ORD, but that's only because of a major business contract. AA used to actually fly (IIRC) 10 dailies to DFW and 4 dailies to ORD around 3 years ago.

Even AA's presence at TUS has gone down. ORD-TUS was so important to AA in the 1970s that it was the 4th route AA served with DC-10s, after ORD-LAX, ORD-LGA, and ORD-DAL.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 9):
One has to wonder if the level of service that TUS does get is more than enough given the size and average wealth of the population in the Tucson area.

The Tucson metro area is right around 1 million people. Granted, wages are fairly low here (especially in areas surrounding the airport), it's still a large city. In fact, it's larger than Albuquerque. The only difference: Albuquerque doesn't have another airport within easy driving distance.

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 9):
AA still does well with 7 dailies to DFW and 2 to ORD, but that's only because of a major business contract. AA used to actually fly (IIRC) 10 dailies to DFW and 4 dailies to ORD around 3 years ago.

AA has the Raytheon contract. They use those DFW flights to funnel Raytheon employees to Boston and overseas. Those flights are almost always packed to DFW. It's nice to see. For a while, AA had a reservations office here, too, although I'm not sure if it's still being used. I've also heard there's a large number of AA PLTs and EXPs here.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
The only thing TUS offers, attraction-wise, is Spring Training (The Rockies have their Spring Training site there...not sure if that will change next year for a PHX move...), Davis Mothian Air Museum, Tombstone and that is pretty much it.....

Spring training is gone. About the biggest attraction now in TUS is the Gem Show which runs for 3 weeks in February. Nobody comes to Southern Arizona just to go to Tombstone. It's an add on trip--one that I've never understood why people flock to that place.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
It is close, considering the speed limit on the Freeways is 75+ MPH, in the middle of the desert. You can be within the PHX metro area within an hour or so.

Not at all. Depending on where you leave from, it takes almost 90 minutes of freeway time to hit Chandler, at the southern end of the Phoenix area. If you're in the Oro Valley or east Tucson areas, it can take 30 minutes or more just to hit the freeway, since the idiots in this town have repeatedly voted out a cross town freeway.

[Edited 2010-05-30 12:25:38]

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 19):
Spring training is gone.

So the rumors are true, The Rockies are moving their Spring Training to PHX. I think they said Surprise, Arizona, IIRC.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 19):
Nobody comes to Southern Arizona just to go to Tombstone. It's an add on trip--one that I've never understood why people flock to that place.

The O.K. Corral is a historic site. The gravesite is still there.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 19):
Not at all.

Ohhhh.... I can get from UA to Chandler, AZ in less than 90 minutes. Fact.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 19):
the idiots in this town have repeatedly voted out a cross town freeway.

I heard something about that.....



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 20):
The Rockies are moving their Spring Training to PHX. I think they said Surprise, Arizona, IIRC.

They're moving to the Indian Rez at 101/Indian Bend just across from Paradise Valley/Scottsdale. The Rox and the Dbacks are sharing a facility there.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 20):
Ohhhh.... I can get from UA to Chandler, AZ in less than 90 minutes. Fact.

When was the last time you drove that route and how fast do you drive?  


User currently offlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

I'd have to say with 65 flights per day and 6600 seats, TUS seems well served for a market of its size. (Though presumably some of the flights listed on the airport web site are seasonal.)

http://www.tucsonairport.org/html/tia_airlinelinks.html

18 of those are WN, and 3 are F9 so that has got to hurt yields.

Add 13 UA, 10 US, 9 AA, 6 DL, 5 CO, and one lonely AS flight per day.

Looks like in 2009, TUS emplaned 1.8 million pax.

Decent service IMO.

David


User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

TUS flights tend to be completely full, or completely empty. There is no steady, year round , 70-80% load factors due to very limited business community and business travel from TUS. Also, proximity to PHX keeps TUS fares extremely low so that every time airlines try to raise fares passengers defect to PHX, an hour or less away, where they have many more nonstop flights to choose from.

F9 could increase frequency since they do pretty well from TUS (low fares) but they have chosen to add single frequency in new markets and keep their 1-2 departures stagnant in their existing markets. Plus, F9 is slow to react to changing market conditions. WN, on the other hand, is quick to take advantage of the situtation so WN is probably going to expand and contract as the demand warrants.

Costs are relatively high at the privately owned Tucson Airport. The airport charges for every inch of counter space used in spite of the fact that half the counters are empty. So, rather than increase their costs for every added flight, the airline choose to retrench in order to remain moderately profitable.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 19):
The only difference: Albuquerque doesn't have another airport within easy driving distance.

Well, there is SAF in Santa Fe. While the American Eagle flights as SAF have been a reasonable success (specifically the SAF-DFW flights), it will never overtake ABQ in terms of service levels.



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25 93Sierra : What about Airtran and TUS service? Do you think Phoenix Mesa Gateway will gain an additional carrier and/or destinations before TUS does? Is there an
26 TVNWZ : Lived in Ahwatukee. Never did the Tucson airport to home in less than 1:45. And from Ray Road you are still another 20 minutes to the parking garages
27 Commavia : Yes, they still do - it's on Valencia down the road from the airport, where it's been forever (seemingly). The SWRO (Southwestern Reservations Office
28 TUSdawg23 : Good call on the AirTran flight. I think it would be fantastic to see another carrier compete with Delta on the ATL route which has done very well. A
29 PlaneAdmirer : This may or may not add to the post. Every year we go from DEN to TUS, but we fly to PHX and rent a car. We are a family of a five. The cost savings o
30 Alias1024 : TUS vs. ABQ has come up in more than one thread. Seems to be a little rivalry on these boards. I think it's unfair to say that not having another air
31 hz747300 : 120 miles @ 75mph, but TUS is still not an alternative to PHX. And PHX was voted America's friendliest airport--must be relatively hassle free. I fin
32 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Too bad that even after they made most of the I-10 six lanes stupid drivers STILL hog and block all 3 lanes There's bad drivers, and then there's Ari
33 Post contains images chrisair : Won't happen. I've driven through there before and was followed by armed guards (one in front and one behind my car), then followed by armed MPs onto
34 TUSdawg23 : Well the airport is actually open to the public. When I was doing my private training we did some touch n go's in there and taxi backs(landing and th
35 Post contains images AirframeAS : 85-90 in the middle of the day. Keep in mind that I-10 in the middle of the desert does not have rush hour traffic. It was always a breeze everytime.
36 davescj : Also Bisbee if you want to do old mine towns. And Sierra Vista -- with the presence of Fr. Huachuca Army Base. ELP is getting a new medical school (T
37 crosswinds21 : I guess I'm not really 100% sure what the answer is other than "because they can." By flying TUS-EWR, CO was probably losing money (despite the high
38 chrisair : Not to be confused with Pittsburg...CA. It wouldn't surprise me. Those flights are packed. There's a lot of Raytheon folks at the airport. It's kind
39 AirframeAS : According to the current flight timetable at F9.com, DEN-TUS 2x daily roundtrip at the current moment. No, I have not. I moved out of that hell hole
40 surfandsnow : Tucson is a college town and a tourist destination, which means that it gets plenty of low-yielding traffic. The airport is well-served by the two maj
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