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Lufthansa Starts Frankfurt-Bogotá  
User currently offlinetailfin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17503 times:

http://presse.lufthansa.com/de/meldu...hive/2010/may/31/article/1715.html

A340-600

Sorry if it has been added already...
I believe this is technically re-starting a link that used to fly several years ago on LH.

Edit: Sorry only found German language link

[Edited 2010-05-31 05:41:14]

[Edited 2010-05-31 05:44:51]

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User currently offlineScorp82 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17111 times:

Great to see LH back in BOG!


The flight will be operated five times per week effective 31 October 2010 with the following schedule:


LH 452 FRA-BOG 1330-1925 -2-4567
LH 453 BOG-FRA 2145-1445+ -2-4567


The link for the announcement in English can be found here:


http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...hive/2010/may/31/article/1715.html


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2853 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17100 times:

Cool, I will check for prices.

I need to fly to CLO in December, so it should be a nice opportunity.

Are they still gonna pull the plug on FRA-CCS then?

MIAspotter



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16940 times:

This service, along with the application of AV for a 2 weekly BOG-FRA, would make the route daily if they codeshare. I think this could be a clear indication that AV is heading to Star Alliance, because if it weren't, in my opinion a link to Paris or London would make much more sense.

User currently offlineScorp82 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 16628 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 2):
Cool, I will check for prices.

I need to fly to CLO in December, so it should be a nice opportunity.

Are they still gonna pull the plug on FRA-CCS then?

There were some rumors that LH was going to discontinue CCS, but it looks like that will not be the case.

Quoting realsim (Reply 3):
This service, along with the application of AV for a 2 weekly BOG-FRA, would make the route daily if they codeshare. I think this could be a clear indication that AV is heading to Star Alliance, because if it weren't, in my opinion a link to Paris or London would make much more sense.

AV actually applied for 3 weekly flights on the BOG-FRA-BOG route. The application was already approved and I am sure it is just a matter of time before they make a formal announcement.

I do not know if AV has any immediate plans of returning to CDG, but I do know there is interest in returning to LHR. I am certain AV will return to LHR once the delivery of the new aircraft is materialized.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16412 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 2):
Are they still gonna pull the plug on FRA-CCS then?

No, it's a complement.
More connections to UIO, GYE, LIM, SJO will go via BOG now, but CCS stays.

Quoting realsim (Reply 3):
This service, along with the application of AV for a 2 weekly BOG-FRA, would make the route daily if they codeshare. I think this could be a clear indication that AV is heading to Star Alliance, because if it weren't, in my opinion a link to Paris or London would make much more sense.

I think that the 5 weekly service is only to limit capacity to start with. If more frequencies are needed going forward, the next 2 would be done by LH themselves. Despite applying to operate the route, AV is unlikely to start FRA in the next 2 years (2 A330s is was due to receive next year, are most likely going to TACA instead for new MAD services).
AV could open FRA it later on, if and when a complimentary frequency is required, and with a 787.

But it is clear that this new LH service fits in very well with AV's main connections bank.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16325 times:

LH FRA-BOG is perfect for the intended purposes of Star Alliance. For example, airports like PTY, UIO and GYE would be directly connected through Bogota, taking into account the lack of Star Alliance in both Ecuador and Panama.
This vacuum may be properly filled up in the future by means of the equation named LH-AV-TA.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15629 times:

This is nice, the rumours have been confirmed. I thought they were going to fly it on the A340-300, so the A346 really comes as a surprise!

According to the article, Lufthansa will become the only carrier to offer first class to Colombia in a long time, which is also very surprising.

I'm glad that they won't be ending Caracas, but we could expect a reduction in capacity.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3024 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15368 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
I thought they were going to fly it on the A340-300, so the A346 really comes as a surprise!

I'm not sure, but I think the 346 performs better in hot conditions than the 343, but I might be wrong.
I'm wondering where this 346 is coming from? With the entrance of the 388 and the first three announced routes only 744s become available, really interesting...


User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15369 times:

Nice to hear Caracas isn't getting axed!

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13815 times:

Great news!!!

Quoting realsim (Reply 3):
This service, along with the application of AV for a 2 weekly BOG-FRA, would make the route daily if they codeshare. I think this could be a clear indication that AV is heading to Star Alliance

I'm sure AV will go to *A.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 5):
Despite applying to operate the route, AV is unlikely to start FRA in the next 2 years

I've heard they'll deploy some of hteir own metal, but the goal is to serve FRA with the 787s.

Quoting Talaier (Reply 9):
I'm wondering where this 346 is coming from

What equipment they use in CCS??

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
Lufthansa will become the only carrier to offer first class to Colombia in a long time, which is also very surprising.

I guess that will put some pressure to IB and AF with their premium pax.


777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13639 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
What equipment they use in CCS??

LH FRA-CCS and back 7x weekly is currently utilizing the 346 in such route.
I'm not sure if LH sometimes deploys another version of the 340.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13638 times:

Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 4):
There were some rumors that LH was going to discontinue CCS, but it looks like that will not be the case.

I got the same news this morning from fellow A.netter AVIANCA. Good to hear CCS isn´t being discontinued. It would be so depressing to see LH leave.

Anyhow, I do believe Venezuelan aviation is touching the deepest point as we speak. I expect foreign currency back in the market soon, and airlines will begin performing again.

Seeing LH leave, and other airlines downgrade, in a country with such a history on high loads would be catastrophic.

Cheers,

797



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User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13614 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
I guess that will put some pressure to IB and AF with their premium pax.

Well LH's First offers lie-flat beds unlike its J class, something that standard in IB's J and I think also in AF. Of course with F you get your own terminal in FRA and several other perks, but given that LH's J is slightly under that of IB's and AF's I'm not expecting a major breakthrough.

What AF should be worried about is LH's connectivity to Asia though, where it is going to face tough competition.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13260 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 12):
Seeing LH leave, and other airlines downgrade, in a country with such a history on high loads would be catastrophic.

What if they decide to deploy the 744 to CCS?? It looks they'll have a couple of those to spare.....

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 8):
With the entrance of the 388 and the first three announced routes only 744s become available, really interesting..



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12850 times:

What it actually comes a surprise for me is that they are not dropping CCS altogether. I guess that is good news though.

[Edited 2010-05-31 15:32:23]


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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12467 times:
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Excellent news for BOG!

Interesting they plan to use a 346 from day 1, I expect great things are expected then as a 343 would have been the expected start up plane.

Good to see CCS stay too, one of our locals needs that service  



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12465 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
I've heard they'll deploy some of hteir own metal, but the goal is to serve FRA with the 787s.

They clearly intended to do that, but now that LH is definitely doing it, and in a much better way that AV could do it currently, I see it was extremely unlikely. LH has the right plane, as the A340, and most so the A346 has the range to carry pax and enough cargo too. AV would take an empyu belly and some empty seats. Also, AV would have to operate out of its main connections bank for either arrival or departure (e.g, If would have to leave BOG at 7 pm, to make it back for 8.30pm, or of it operated out at 9.45pm, arrival would be 11pm or so, bad for connections in either case), whereas LH has a perfect cooperative schedule. .

I am sure that transit to LIM and SJO will be crucial. Transit cargo too in the case of LIM.

Let AV start LON instead. It can work with LH owned airlines, and other Star alliance airlines there (but it won't happen soon).

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
LH FRA-CCS and back 7x weekly is currently utilizing the 346 in such route.
I'm not sure if LH sometimes deploys another version of the 340.

They certainly have operated the A340-300 there before.. I would be surprised if CCS got the 744, so if a change occurs I would imagine it would be a A343 or A330 replacing the A346.
We have heard before that O&D traffic to CCS is very important, especially in business, whereas the new flight to BOG can take care of the onward connections.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):

I guess that will put some pressure to IB and AF with their premium pax

Perhaps LH might sell some of its FC seats, but Colombia is not a market for first class. BA did not even bother selling it. AF does have FC on most of its long haul planes, but BOG is one of a few destinations with limited business offer and no first class. In fact, I think that the 60 seats that LH is offering per flight might be too many. Let's hope the onward connections help.. AV has a fine BC product for short haul, so that could work..


User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12263 times:

Quoting ACES320 (Reply 15):
What it actually comes a surprise for me is that they are not dropping CCS altogether. I guess that is good news though.

Why the addition of BOG should mean that CCS was to be axed? LH doesn't codeshare with anyone from CCS to other destinations in the country or the region, so their flight only depends on O/D from CCS and, of course, the connexions on the European side. If the flight works right now (I don't know it), BOG shouldn't change anything.


User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12072 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 18):
Why the addition of BOG should mean that CCS was to be axed? LH doesn't codeshare with anyone from CCS to other destinations in the country or the region, so their flight only depends on O/D from CCS and, of course, the connexions on the European side. If the flight works right now (I don't know it), BOG shouldn't change anything.

Because it had been repeteadly announced in different sources. Also because in the field aviation, capacity does not come from nowhere, so CCS was the obvious pick.



LHR, BHX, EDI, BKK, USM, CNX, PHU, GRU,PEI, BOG, CTG, CPH, AMS, DOH, DXB, FRA, MAD and always PEI
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 14):
What if they decide to deploy the 744 to CCS?? It looks they'll have a couple of those to spare.....

I don't know if this is possible at all. LH was pondering whether to ax CCS because of the low loadings for the two last quarters of 2010. If there's a change, I would more likely see an A343 or even A330.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 16):
Good to see CCS stay too, one of our locals needs that service

That being abrelosojos I believe!   



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 8):
I'm not sure, but I think the 346 performs better in hot conditions than the 343, but I might be wrong.

At that time of the night, BOG is hardly hot. We are talking 12-15 degrees celcius. I'm guessing this has got more to do with the cargo.

Quoting realsim (Reply 18):
Why the addition of BOG should mean that CCS was to be axed? LH doesn't codeshare with anyone from CCS to other destinations in the country or the region, so their flight only depends on O/D from CCS and, of course, the connexions on the European side

LH had a lot of peole connecting onwards from CCS to other destinations in the region via interline agreements with TA, AV and other airlines in the region. It has been said that up to 30% of the passengers on that flight are connecting. This will now be done via BOG. So yes, the start of BOG could have meant the termination of CCS, which is also performing poorly due to the economic meltdown that Venezuela is suffering.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
Perhaps LH might sell some of its FC seats, but Colombia is not a market for first class. BA did not even bother selling it. AF does have FC on most of its long haul planes, but BOG is one of a few destinations with limited business offer and no first class. In fact, I think that the 60 seats that LH is offering per flight might be too many. Let's hope the onward connections help.. AV has a fine BC product for short haul, so that could work..

Well, the market dynamics might have changed from eight years ago. There might be room for a little bit of FC passengers. Siemens has been investing a lot in its colombian division, so this should bring some premium contracts.

But the A346's premium capacity does seem a little big.


User currently offlinePLANEGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

Colombia and the EU recently signed a FTA so it seems like LH's timing couldn't have been better. Now if OPAIN would just finish the Nuevo El Dorado project! Looks like exciting times ahead for Colombia.

User currently offlinejigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11252 times:

Quoting PLANEGUY (Reply 22):
Colombia and the EU recently signed a FTA so it seems like LH's timing couldn't have been better. Now if OPAIN would just finish the Nuevo El Dorado project! Looks like exciting times ahead for Colombia.

Hope we can get very soon the airport that a city such as Bogota deserves. I agree with your reasoning of the FTA between EU and Colombia (and other countries such as Peru) as an incentive to increase the offer to and from Colombia. Connections will be very easy out of BOG to LIM, GYE and UIO. If AV/TA are finally into Star Alliance, I can see a late evening departure out of BOG to SJO for connecting traffic.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
At that time of the night, BOG is hardly hot. We are talking 12-15 degrees celcius. I'm guessing this has got more to do with the cargo.

Actually BOG is considered a hot and high airport, as, even with a low temperature (it could be between 10-12 degrees celsius at the time you mention) it is still ISA+10/+15.

In the 1990's, Lufthansa used to fly as DLH531/530 routing FRA-BOG-LIM-BOG-FRA with a 744 until they decided to leave LIM. I am not sure about the date, but I believe it was in 2000, when they flew FRA-BOG-FRA with the A343. However, as far as I know, the A346 has better performance out of BOG, with interesting cargo capacity. For sure, this A346 will play an important role on cargo capacity offer, as an addition to Lufthansa's Cargo actual MD-11 F operation to BOG.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
I've heard they'll deploy some of their own metal, but the goal is to serve FRA with the 787s.

I don't think this will be a smart move, unless there is a codeshare agreement. Before FRA, I believe LON will offer better results than FRA and CDG, as there is no competition. Also, due to its distance, LON will be able to offer better payload out of BOG than what FRA or CDG can do.


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11142 times:

Quoting jigarciar (Reply 23):
In the 1990's, Lufthansa used to fly as DLH531/530 routing FRA-BOG-LIM-BOG-FRA with a 744 until they decided to leave LIM.

Before LH left LIM they had a dedicated service FRA-LIM. I believe it was a mix of 342/343. I´m pretty sure I flew this route on a 342 once or twice.

Anyway, it is time for LH to resume the service FRA-LIM... come on Lufthansa, it´s been long enough!


25 RCS763AV : BOG is indeed hot and high. But the air is not nearly half as warm at 9pm than at 2-4pm. LH's last itinerary for FRA-BOG was 3x weekly on the A343, n
26 Hotelima : Little off topic, but which last european airport before the Atlantic ocean is usually overflown from FRA to BOG : NTE (France) ? LCG (Spain)? SCQ (Sp
27 Post contains images standby87 : I think it was Jersey, but I was drinking Rum by then FRA BOG AV0019 Aerovias Avianca N988AN Boeing 767-284 (ER) 11. Okt 99 11.18 Good news for every
28 LipeGIG : It seems the eyes of LH are looking more to South America ! Good to see BOG becoming reality and soon FRA willl see links resumed also with GIG on JJ
29 jfk777 : Yet. Would expect it, if it werr to happen, as a separte annoucement.
30 bogota : BA definitelly sold F in the BOG route, although not the great seller they would like they were always pax up there. That was a very different Colomb
31 laca773 : This would be a good route for the 788 if LH decides to go with some in addition to the 350s I'm sure they'll order.
32 ACES320 : Not only BOG First Class service was dropped. A lot of routes in their network lost it during their fleet restructuring in late 1990's -early 2000's.
33 Summa767 : I am absolutely certain that F class was only as a crew rest area when I last travelled on BA to and from BOG last time -2003 or 2004-, which must ha
34 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : TA LIM-CCS and back is currently bearing the LH code and that flight matches perfectly with LH FRA-CCS-FRA. In my view, LH is not thinking to resume
35 bogota : You are right to say that the 3 class 777 operated last to BOG, unfortunatelly it did only operate for 4 months. It was seen as the most appropiate e
36 bogota : You happened to be on one of those very seldom flights where no seats were sold, crew loved them as the 767 did not have crew rest areas with beds. B
37 Summa767 : That is already programmed from July, operated by Taca in E190! It will depart BOG at 9.45pm, so 1 h 20' after the FRA arrival. Of course pax will tr
38 IAD380 : Good news, indeed! Besides BOG, I hope that LH will consider flying to GIG with its own aircraft. I also wish that LH would return to LIM and SCL.
39 PLANEGUY : Since LH has a 19% stake in B6, I'm now wondering whether these two carriers will jointly pool their facilities at BOG to control costs (Joint office
40 Post contains links ACES320 : I Albeit I would not discard such an agreement, I have to say their ties do not go that far. Bear in mind that as recently as last week Jetblue was be
41 hardiwv : Very good news for BOG. It seems LH is coming back to South America with EZE nonstop B747, GRU terminator service, and MUC-GRU established services. T
42 Post contains links Summa767 : I understand, froma trustworthy source, that OceanAir (now Avianca Brasil) has beaten TAM for the frequencies available this year to Colombia for bra
43 hardiwv : Thanks for the info...I am not following the news so closely, thanks for the update! But TAM may still decide to fly MAO-BOG this could be an alterna
44 Summa767 : I don't think that the colombian-brasil bilateral would allow a MAO-BOG flight outside the restricted frequencies, so unless the rules themselves cha
45 LH506 : In the LH press release it states that LH will offer 60 weekly flights to 4 destinations in South America after the flight is reinstalled. How do they
46 Summa767 : Well, its 31 flights if you count that each frequency has an outbound flight and an inbound one. It would seem that there is a frequency too many on
47 LH506 : That may be the answer. If you count in and outbound. LH sometimes cuts EZE to 6 weekly.
48 Avianca : would be more than great, and I know they had some negotiations some month ago, but looks like in first step they dediced for the BOG flight. Lets cr
49 hardiwv : FRA-EZE B747 currently operates 6 weekly but will be upgraded to daily in Winter 2010/11. This will leave BA well behind in South America operating o
50 danimarroquin : what would be a better perfomer for LH in BOG the A340-600 or 747-400 ? maybe in a future possibility for a A380 and 747-8i what would better for BOG
51 hardiwv : Are you joking? Rgs,
52 ACES320 : More like a tag on from BOG to somewhere would do the trick. I guess I know what you mean, but to the extent of my knowledge the A346 should not have
53 LipeGIG : FRA-LIM could be interesting, but i doubt will happen before 2012. Any way after BOG, the perspectives of LH in South America are getting closer to a
54 Talaier : Given that BA is merging with IB in November, I wouldn't say they're behind left behind at all. If you add both carriers' frequencies, you are left w
55 hardiwv : I agree that after consolidating EZE (which will get daily flights from Winter) and BOG, the natural next target of LH will be GIG which will free up
56 LipeGIG : All will depend how BOG performs and future equipment LH will receive as they would need 2 frames to fly to GIG on a premium schedule (unless they re
57 hardiwv : Humm....I dont agree IB+BA will be "well ahead of their competitors" in South America. AF+KL and TP and even LH/LX have built a respectable network i
58 ACES320 : The think here is that an IB / BA partnership would see the South American operation fully relying on IB's network. With this particular perspective
59 hardiwv : Thanks for the comments. You are correct, especially in a market such as LHR which has a lot of high yielding demand. The fact you need to change air
60 kiwiandrew : It will be interesting to see how this route develops if the rumour mills are correct and AV/TA opt for *A thus turning it into a hub to hub route . I
61 Talaier : AF and KL both had relatively extensive networks in S.A. (and throughout the world for that matter) pre-merger, whilst IB/BA focus heavily on differe
62 realsim : MAD-BOG will be 12 w this winter. And you have forgotten MAD-MVD 6w.
63 ACES320 : BA used to have a descent, not massive though, network in Latin America, for a carrier their size and prestige. Both BA and LH after 9/11 scaled down
64 Avianca : looks like that LIM will go also to 14 w, they are evaluating to put 2 x weekly cargo flights into LIM (but only for high season, October till Dezemb
65 Talaier : I agree. The only two carriers from whom a sizeable upscale in operations is expected are BA/IB and LH. As to the reasoning behind the merger, the Eu
66 LipeGIG : The problem is that every new operation open to GRU means also more competition to LH (like QR service to DOH, JJ service GIG-FRA and GIG-LHR). I do
67 hardiwv : I dont think BA is strong in Asia...compare BA network in Asia with LH or AF/KL. BA focus is the US. TP operates A332 and A340, and I think TP has th
68 Talaier : Well they have a presence on key markets and are the kings of the road on the Kangaroo route alongside their partnert QF, which I expect to join IAG
69 hardiwv : BA presence in Asia is far behind LH and AF/KL. In key markers such as China and Japan BA operates a single daily flight while AF/KL have several dail
70 SCL767 : Yep, and LAN will soon increase frequency into MAD with the new service to CDG. Currently, LAN operates UIO-GYE-MAD 10x weekly, LIM-MAD daily, SCL-MA
71 Talaier : Indeed you are right. Actually LH flies to more cities than BA within India. The only advantage BA has over AFKL is that it has strong partners in th
72 Post contains images hardiwv : I also agree with your comments, just some remarks. But note that Kangoroo route also competes with US carriers because you can reach Europe as quick
73 BOAC911 : Those flight numbers are presently reserved for U.S. west coast routes. The correct flight numbers are: LH542 Frankfurt 13.30 – Bogotá 19.25 LH543
74 SCL767 : Even LH operates cargo flights between FRA and VCP on behalf LAN's Brazilian cargo subsidiary ABSA. The 787-8s arrive next year...
75 jfk777 : BA flies double daily to Singapore. One of those flights goes to Sydney, Australia.
76 Someone83 : Which route is LH getting the 346 to be used to BOG from? I guess some other route either must be up- or downgraded to free a 346 up to be used here
77 BOAC911 : Most likely FRA-CCS.
78 hardiwv : The B767 could also reach any point in Europe nonstop. Also GIG which LH Cargo will start flying from July. Rgs,
79 hardiwv : What is your source. LH press release is very clear "This winter, Bogotá will become the fourth destination in South America after Buenos Aires, Sã
80 SCL767 : LAN is currently expanding regionally and increasing frequencies in the four domestic markets of which LAN currently serve. Hopefully by this time ne
81 hardiwv : I understand it may not be sustainable for LAN to fly nonstop to other European markets except MAD at this point. Rgs,
82 SCL767 : As previously stated, the 787s will change that since it will be more economical to operate certain routes as compared to the B763s. LAN's newest B76
83 Post contains images hardiwv : Maybe is not sustainable for TAM Lets not forget that TAM started flying to US not long ago, in 1998... Rgs,
84 LipeGIG : AFAIK GIG (and as per airfrance.com) will be 2x daily as always on winter season. I check today and they already upgrade GRU to 14x but it seems AMS-
85 ACES320 : BA focus is Club World, wherever they can sell it. Hong Kong is one of their most valued operations, stand-alone Singapore is also a valuable route.
86 LipeGIG : The difference is that Europe-Asia is far bigger and important than South America-Asia right now. But of course, South America is getting attention f
87 hardiwv : You are right, GIG remains 12 weekly until end October, from November it is upped to twice daily. KL will also keep GRU 6 weekly for beginning of Nov
88 ACES320 : Exactly to round up my point and the perfect example. This will tell you how the dynamics of the market will evolve eventually and what is rule today
89 LipeGIG : South America represents one of their best treasuries for the future. The five markets still not covered, BOG, CCS, LIM, GIG and EZE (SCL could be co
90 Talaier : I agree, but I tend to stick QF and BA in the same bag since I'm expecting QF to join IAG at some point over the next decade. The A380 is indeed the
91 LipeGIG : It's like with BOG, and they might took the traffic that nowadays fly on separate tickets to Asia from BOG. LH come into the right time! Also, i beli
92 RCS763AV : BCN. 4x weekly A330 on AV. I will say that it is a bold move for LH to start expanding in South America once again. They know that they can't rely on
93 Avianca : I think the same but not for 2010, most probably Winter 2011 and a small chance for Summer 2011
94 LipeGIG : I agree with your point of view and believe that LH made the right choice considering the markets already covered and the fact that Rio will be cover
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