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Rumor: Is LGA Closing And EWR Expanding?  
User currently offlineB777UA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16287 times:

Does anyone know or have heard if Lagaurdia is Closing? this is the 2nd time I have heard this. I was told that Newark is being expanded to accomodate Lagaurdia and that it (Lagaurdia) is gonig to be a military base, because they dont have a military base that close to New York that way if there is need for military, they are not far away from Washington and New York. anyone else heard about this?

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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16289 times:

I thought it was Memorial Day, not April 1st.

User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16274 times:

Quoting B777UA (Thread starter):
Newark is being expanded to accomodate Lagaurdia

There is no way, EWR can't even get a NEWWW Terminal A and the PANYNJ is supposed to come up with the money to build a super terminal at EWR. Keep in mind LGA doesn't serve just 10 million people yearly its over 20 million(I think) I do not see this happening AT ALL!


User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16224 times:

Its simply a Rumor!

Quoting EwRkId (Reply 2):
There is no way, EWR can't even get a NEWWW Terminal A and the PANYNJ is supposed to come up with the money to build a super terminal at EWR. Keep in mind LGA doesn't serve just 10 million people yearly its over 20 million(I think) I do not see this happening AT ALL!

  

There are however plans for renovation/reconfiguration of terminal A @ EWR, but when that gets done, who knows! Same with the terminal upgrade and modifications @ LGA.
As for bases, we have HPN, TTB, SWF, ISP and Fort Dix all close to the NYC metro.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3292 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16217 times:
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Quoting B777UA (Thread starter):
Does anyone know or have heard if Lagaurdia is Closing?

Whoever told you this was pulling your leg. As bad as LGA can be, it is crucial to business men in New York, and is the easiest airport for MANY people to get to in the metropolitan area. No chance of it closing.

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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2756 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16128 times:

No, but I can wish. Of course JFK and EWR are even worse.

User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16041 times:

LGA isn't going anywhere too soon...even the cabies can't stand the place but it pays the bills...g

User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15989 times:

Quoting B777UA (Thread starter):
Does anyone know or have heard if Lagaurdia is Closing?

I heard this as well from a former colleague in airport management in the region (with talk of SWF expansion), but will only believe it when I see the construction.


User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15932 times:

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 7):

I heard this as well from a former colleague in airport management in the region (with talk of SWF expansion), but will only believe it when I see the construction.

Can you say short sighted, even if they were to shift LGA's capacity to SWF(which I doubt they will), they'd still probably keep LGA in a reduced capacity, maybe similar to LCY



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User currently offlineLU9092 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15748 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 6):
LGA isn't going anywhere too soon...even the cabies can't stand the place but it pays the bills...g

Seems like the cabbies ought to love LGA. Aside from the M60 to Grand Central, there aren't any transit options to compete.

If you're going to take a cab, LGA is the quickest and most easily accessible airport for at least half of the five boroughs' population. In addition, as a passenger, I've found LGA reasonably easy to deal with. It's ugly, but but hop off a plane on, say, Concourse B, and you're 75 feet from the baggage claim, and 100 from the cab line. If you have carry-on only, and it's the right time/day, you can literally be on the road 15 minutes after your A320's wheels hit the runway.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15620 times:

Seriously, this couldnt be further from the truth.

LGA and JFK are owned by the City of NY and leased out to the PANYNJ to operate.

NYC would never cede the revenue LGA generates to NJ at EWR.

While the PANYNJ is all one big bucket of revenue from JFK, LGA, EWR, and SWF, New York City gets its $$ from LGA and JFK. The monetary logistics of pulling off this fantasy would be staggering.


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15609 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
The monetary logistics of pulling off this fantasy would be staggering.

Finding the room at EWR to make room for LGA's traffic would be a miracle in itself..


User currently offlinegreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15307 times:

LGA is NY's premium airport--when given the choice between EWR, JFK, and LGA, I pick LGA every time as its closest to the city. JFK and EWR cannot compare with the convenience of LGA, there'd be no logic to closing LGA.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14737 times:

Quoting B777UA (Thread starter):
and that it (Lagaurdia) is gonig to be a military base, because they dont have a military base that close to New York that way if there is need for military, they are not far away from Washington and New York. anyone else heard about this?

No, the 177th Fighter Wing in Atlantic City NJ is responsible for the area's defense.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14418 times:

I have heard PANYNJ say that the long term goal would be to close LGA... I think these long term goals are part of why the proposed CTB project has gone back and forth.

I think theres a good chance LGA will close someday but probably not within the next 20 years. A lot of work remains to be done for the next new york airport to become a key player.

As for EWR expanding... the only way they could gain any meaningful capacity is a runway on the west side, however there is a massive cemetary in the only area that could conceivably fit a runway.

The ONLY ONLY ONLY place a runway could be constructed at EWR/JFK/LGA with a reasonable level of feasibility is at JFK on the north side (parallel to) Runway 13L-31R (would be 7-8K in length).

[Edited 2010-06-01 05:28:39]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14346 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
I have heard PANYNJ say that the long term goal would be to close LGA... I think these long term goals are part of why the proposed CTB project has gone back and forth.

People here are misconstruing comments made by the PA commissioner, he said he wanted to demolish LGA and start over (talking about buildings). The media and some here took it to mean to close LGA, that's not the case.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
As for EWR expanding... the only way they could gain any meaningful capacity is a runway on the west side, however there is a massive cemetary in the only area that could conceivably fit a runway.

Have you ever been to EWR?.. First of all it's a small cemetary and second the obvious place to expand would be the Port across the Turnpike, it's double the size of EWR.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14264 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
I think these long term goals are part of why the proposed CTB project has gone back and forth.

The LGA CTB redevelopment and the replacement of Terminal A at EWR have been put on the back burner due to a severe drop in toll revenues at the Port Authority. Port Authority toll revenues from the six NJ-NY crossings support bonds that fund projects like airport expansions or new bridges, right now all the Port Authority resources are going to redeveloping the World Trade Center and building the new $10 Billion dollar Hudson river rail tunnel.

Some articles relating to Port Authority difficulties funding massive projects:

Bayonne bridge replacement;

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...nj_ny_officials_pressure_port.html

Goethalls bridge replacement;

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...port_authority_asks_public_to.html



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14227 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
People here are misconstruing comments made by the PA commissioner, he said he wanted to demolish LGA and start over (talking about buildings). The media and some here took it to mean to close LGA, that's not the case.

Im not referring to that comment... the statement I heard was a complete closure of LGA, it was from an aviation system planning conference I attended a few years ago.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
Have you ever been to EWR?.. First of all it's a small cemetary and second the obvious place to expand would be the Port across the Turnpike, it's double the size of EWR.

Those three cemetaries (Mt Olevet Cemetary and Rosemont and Bethel memorial parks) are fairly sizeable and would be a near insurmountable obstacle to construct a runway.

To the east, much of the capacity added would be lost in the form on runway crossings to get to the terminal complex. End around taxiways would be an absolute must. This runway would come at the expense of a sizeable chunk of the port of Newark (looks like a massive auto importer and container cargo facility).

JFK's could build a runway entirely on airport property.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14062 times:

"I have heard PANYNJ say that the long term goal would be to close LGA... I think these long term goals are part of why the proposed CTB project has gone back and forth.

I think theres a good chance LGA will close someday but probably not within the next 20 years. A lot of work remains to be done for the next new york airport to become a key player."


I am sorry, but to be more blunt than STT, you are quite incorrect in what you heard. The CTB is a mess because the PANYNJ is broke not because LGA is closing.

JFK and EWR are two of the most delay-plagued airports in the world.

They are also slot controlled.

There is no place for the 25 million pax a year who use LGA to go at those 2 airports.

From a lifelong NYer . . . there will never ever be another runway built in this area that involves:

1. Knocking down somebody's house or business (EWR)
2. Expanding into a wildlife refuge (JFK)
3. Putting another final approach over a neighborhood (Everywhere)

Everything we do here in NY and NJ involves years of litigation and negotiation to move a twig. That's why we don't do great things anymore.

There will never be a new airport

There will never be a new runway

There will be very little done to mitigate delays

Eventually, LGA and EWR will get their new terminals. That's about it.

So take a good look at JFK, LGA, and EWR and much like the Cross Bronx, Van Wyck, Lincoln Tunnel or GWB . . . Get used to it.


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13866 times:

I drew up some plans on a piece of paper a while ago which involved closing 13/31 and adding a parallel to 4/22. Put a long single concourse where runway 13/31 is and the parallel to 4/22 would go on the south side of the current runway. Put check-in and baggage where the current terminals are now and demolish the gates. Put AA's maintenance hangar where the marine terminal is as that could be closed. Have both runways roughly 8,500ft - 9,000ft. Would be tricky to do, but look at how MDW was done...Nothing is going to be easy at LGA.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13856 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
I am sorry, but to be more blunt than STT, you are quite incorrect in what you heard. The CTB is a mess because the PANYNJ is broke not because LGA is closing.

Well when I get home I'll see if I still have the program from the conference and I will give you a date and name of the person who made that exact statement. They may have changed their stance, but in 2006 a presenter from the PANYNJ specifically said the closure of LGA was a long term goal. It was very clear and there was no opportunity for missinterpretation.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13846 times:

I think it's safe to say any future plans for LGA do not involve altering the current runway layout, the Terminal layout will probably change a bit along with the roadways and parking. But the runways are not changing, any change will either send more aircraft over residences in the area or create greater levels of interference with JFK than already exists.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13311 times:

On another note...how come the authorities "allow" parking on the curbside at LGA. I saw unattended vehicles sit there for half an hour plus while I was waiting from my ride last week.

It most other airports they would be towed inside 5 min.



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User currently offlinedaviation From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10377 times:

As a lifelong New Yorker, I think jfklganyc and STT said it best: it will never happen. New York is a major international metropolis in spite of itself. We have outmoded bridges, outmoded subways, outmoded commuter railroads, outmoded highways, outmoded bus terminals. Basically everything is outmoded, including the three major airports. But somehow it all works. It's a personal mindset -- we don't expect modern transportation (or anything else modern), everything is a little shoddy and dirty, but we love it. Whenever I visit a city that is clean and pristine, I feel like there should be more litter to make it look cozy and lived-in!


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10287 times:

Quoting daviation (Reply 23):
We have outmoded bridges, outmoded subways, outmoded commuter railroads, outmoded highways, outmoded bus terminals. Basically everything is outmoded, including the three major airports. But somehow it all works.

It barely works and the PANYNJ doesn't care enough to spend the money to make LGA/JFK/EWR any better.



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25 EWRandMDW : Rumor: Is LGA Closing And EWR Expanding? If this ever happened, it would be the ultimate payback for what Fiorello LaGuardia did to Newark 70-somethin
26 dlphoenix : I expect proposals for optimization of air travel access to be thrown arround - NYC's airports are not in a stellar state and where there is a proble
27 GothamSpotter : If that ever was a long term goal, it is not anymore. Chris Ward, the executive director of the Port Authority said a few weeks ago that “LaGuardia
28 Post contains images spacecadet : Yes. You can always tell a lifelong New Yorker from everybody else because they get this and aren't afraid to be blunt about it I generally don't lik
29 AirFrance744 : There is HPN about 33 miles north of downtown Manhattan, that has a small amount of military operations a year. But there is SWF about 60 miles north
30 Post contains images hiflyer : KLGA will close...right when KDCA closes. KEWR cannot expand...and CO feels it is close to maxed out and the 'new UA' is looking to increase IAD Inter
31 Post contains links STT757 : Smisek is quoted as stating otherwise, he's quoted specifically saying IAD widebodies will replace 757s on trans-Atlantic routes from EWR such as Cop
32 413X3 : And here I thought the rumor mill in the cockpit was bad... this is beyond ridiculous.
33 RL757PVD : While it is unlikely, it has been seriously considered, but the only way they could ever do it is if they build the necessary capacity elsewhere to d
34 Post contains links justplanenutz : In fact, they are already demolishing abut 1/2 the structures that would need to go: http://www.panynj.gov/corporate-info...df/board_actions_april_29
35 GlobalCabotage : LGA is not going Meigs! LGA needs some major improvements, but it's location makes it a great airport for business travelers to NYC.
36 RL757PVD : Exactly... everytime the topic comes up, everyone proposed these other crazy ideas but the construction of a 3rd parallel 13-31 at JFK would be easie
37 jetstar : Anyone who suggests even remotely that HPN should be used as a reliever or replacement airport for LGA does not have any idea as to what transpired j
38 isitsafenow : LGA will become another Meigs Field ..................................... When the Cubs take on the Kansas City Royals in a World Series........... Wh
39 PITrules : I don't believe NYC gets one cent from LGA or JFK. Federal law prohibits the use of airport revenue to be diverted to non airport use. However, since
40 STT757 : The main source of revenues for the Port Authority are the tolls at the six NJ-NY crossings, the Port Authority's finances rise and fall with the amo
41 TomTurner : Why would that be the "obvious" place? Its part of the largest maritime cargo operation on the East Coast of the US.
42 Post contains images Trucker : 2 hours today to get from the Throgs Neck bridge to the G W bridge. And you forgot to mention the BQE which gets my vote as the ugliest 25 miles of h
43 STT757 : I believe some economic stimulus money is being used to fund the project.
44 ltbewr : Two thing that could close LGA is if 'global warming' causes a substantual rise in water levels so that the airport looks like central Venice, Italy i
45 exFATboy : I'm not sure that PANYNJ pays the City for the land, but if they did I don't see why it would be illegal - leasing land to put the airport on is an "
46 413X3 : That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You might have a point if we were talking about some small town in the south or midwest... but a N
47 TOMMY767 : It's difficult for EWR to expand but at the same time it also means thinking outside the box. Maybe building a runway above the NJ turnpike or near th
48 daviation : Wow, there are some really good points here. Also, some points that don't make a lot of sense. I spent most of life in NYC, but now live very close to
49 TOMMY767 : No he had a point. There are many people in the NY/NJ area who refuse to leave because they think it's the center of the universe.
50 jetstar : [quote=TOMMY767,reply=47]It's difficult for EWR to expand but at the same time it also means thinking outside the box. Maybe building a runway above t
51 TOMMY767 : It's wishful thinking. So many Jersey building contractors would have to be bribed for the new runway to be built at EWR. Seems like everything gets
52 Post contains images exFATboy : But it is! Don't you remember when Kramer arrives at the intersection of First St. and First Ave? "It's the nexus of the Universe!" New Yorkers leave
53 Post contains images Revelation : Putting 2 + 2 together, we get a winner: - PANYNJ doesn't bother to raise the $billions needed to raise or replace the Bayonne Bridge - The new Panam
54 STT757 : Port Newark is the busiest port on the East coast and thrid busiest in the Country (behind Long Beach and Houston/Galveston), the port is responsible
55 Revelation : I don't doubt you. Hopefully that means the $billions needed to raise or replace the Bayonne Bridge is forthcoming. If not, my tongue-in-cheek scenar
56 Trucker : Sorry guys but I'm gonna stand by my statement. Sure the people in Manhatten offices fly places but the average Archie Bunker type never goes anywher
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