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Garuda Back To Europe After Six Years  
User currently offlineInitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1053 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13360 times:

GA is flying to AMS via DXB from their CGK hub starting tonight using their newest addition in the fleet - The Airbus A330-200. It will depart Jakarta as GA88 at 8:40pm (+7 GMT) and arrive at Dubai at 2:00am (+4 GMT) before leaving for Amsterdam at 3:15am (+4 GMT) and arriving at 8:00am.

This seems a great milestone for Garuda, I can't wait to try their new J and Y class on the A332 one day!

The route will be operated by a 77W when they arrive later this year, competing directly with KL who is also using a 77W.

News Link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601209&sid=aBviT8Jt7KSI


One way I will fly around the world!
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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13334 times:

This is great news for Garuda, and for Europe as a whole. And what better gateway could there be but Europe's best intercontinental airport AMS?

User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13312 times:

Correct me if I am wrong but the last destination in Europe they served before AMS was LGW right?

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13063 times:

Questions guys and girls:

1. Is GA going to be considered for SkyTeam membership?
2. Does GA have traffic rights between DXB and AMS?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13064 times:

Hmmm it wasn't long ago when this airline (along with ALL Indonesian carriers) was banned from the E.U. entirely. I wonder if European travelers will remember that when booking their tickets? Garuda could face an uphill battle here winning pax over from KLM and the Persian Gulf carriers...


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12954 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
1. Is GA going to be considered for SkyTeam membership?

Garuda's entry to SkyTeam has been discussed here: Garuda Is In Line To Be Skyteam Member ... (by SeaMeFly Dec 1 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
2. Does GA have traffic rights between DXB and AMS?

Yes.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12856 times:

Quoting afterburner (Reply 5):
Garuda's entry to SkyTeam has been discussed here:

Thanks. I recall that thread, but unfortunately it has been locked. Any recent developments? Any progress regarding S.T. membership?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12713 times:

Quoting Initious (Thread starter):
The route will be operated by a 77W when they arrive later this year, competing directly with KL who is also using a 77W.

The upgrade to B77W is only planned for early 2011. At that point, the flight should go nonstop as well, while the A332 via DXB will then operate to one or more additional European destinations.

Quoting Initious (Thread starter):
Correct me if I am wrong but the last destination in Europe they served before AMS was LGW right?

LGW was closed shortly before FRA.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

@Initious Nevertheless, AMS is the most important European destination for them because of the cultural links and migrants.


The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
User currently offlineInitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1053 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12399 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):

The upgrade to B77W is only planned for early 2011. At that point, the flight should go nonstop as well, while the A332 via DXB will then operate to one or more additional European destinations.

My bad, I misread the article.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
Quoting Initious (Thread starter):
Correct me if I am wrong but the last destination in Europe they served before AMS was LGW right?

Did you quote the wrong person on that?  



One way I will fly around the world!
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12138 times:

CDG was also a Garuda destination.Hope it will be open again ! Garuda has been an old Paris visitor , having flown to LBG with CV990 and DC8s , before DC10s , and before moving to CDG with DC10s and 747s.Their 747-400s never touched down at Paris.

User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12105 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 10):

IIRC, Garuda also flew to ORY.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2106 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11779 times:

Will GA retains its code share agreement with MH on the CGK-KUL-AMS vv sector now that the airline has served the destination themselves?

[Edited 2010-06-01 04:01:28]

User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3277 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11074 times:

Is DXB basically a tech stop or do they actually hope to make $$$ with it? VFR?


"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently onlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Miss GA to the USA  at LAX


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User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 10):
Their 747-400s never touched down at Paris.

I seems they did (at least a couple of times):


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User currently offlinejpiddink From Netherlands, joined Feb 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4):
Hmmm it wasn't long ago when this airline (along with ALL Indonesian carriers) was banned from the E.U. entirely. I wonder if European travelers will remember that when booking their tickets? Garuda could face an uphill battle here winning pax over from KLM and the Persian Gulf carriers...

Can I say that this sounds a bit suggestive?

Safety shouldn't be an argument in the choice between KL and GA. All Indonesian carriers were banned in one decision because of lack of confidence in the Indonesian inspection authority. Since then, KL's maintenance dept [sic] has assisted GA in solidifying their procedures in order to prepare for its return to the EU. No reason whatsoever to suggest that their safety standard is now anything below KL's (or any other for that matter).

Better still, I am quite sure that whoever made the final decision to pull GA off the black list has taken a very thorough look into the situation, for fear of backfiring.


User currently offlineKL1291 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8145 times:

Welcome back GA!!

http://www.luchtvaartfoto.nl/item/26...t_Garuda_Indonesia_op_Schiphol.htm

KL1291


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 13):
Is DXB basically a tech stop or do they actually hope to make $$$ with it?

As mentioned in reply 5 also, DXB can be booked on GA, so they make money with this stop also, aside from the fact that it is needed for refueling. So AMS-DXB sees quite some competition now. KL (2x daily), EK (1x daily) and GA (1x daily) all fly this city pair...



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18):
EK (1x daily)

I think most of the pax that EK carries travel beyond DXB connecting to Indian/Asian/Oceanic destinations and therefore is not in direct competition with KL and GA.



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Thanks. I recall that thread, but unfortunately it has been locked. Any recent developments?

Wed, June 2, 2010, Singapore
Garuda resumes flights to Europe

Move may help attract investors to a US$300m initial public offering
(JAKARTA) PT Garuda Indonesia has resumed flights to Europe for the first time in six years after the European Union eased a ban on the nation's airlines following a series of fatal crashes.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/...gtimes/story/0,4574,388637,00.html

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineEMAman From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

I hope they can make a success of their return to europe, and would love to see their livery back at LON sometime soon.

I did fly GA about 10 years ago however, and (I know things have prob changed in 10 years) but I would be a bit concerned that their cabin service products lagged behind their competitors to that region even then; CX, SQ, EK, KL and given the reputation for safety that indonesian aviation has, this could be difficult.

Best wishes to GA nonetheless, hopefully a new dawn for Indonesian aviation.


User currently offlinegffgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

The GA inflight product has improved immeasurably on previous offerings and there should be no safety concerns - GA had to demonstrate solid performance in safety to get off that EU blacklist and was, and still is, subject to much scrutiny. All in all a perfectly good service from CGK to AMS. However...

GA management do not seem to realise that, as people have correctly stated in earlier posts, they have a lingering image problem outside Indonesia that needs to be countered by good marketing and a user-friendly sales interface. Once people experience the new product they may be impressed, but the hard battle will be persuading them to experience it in the first place. Within Indonesia GA is top of the pile for reliability, market presence and quality but on European routes they cannot afford to rest on their domestic reputation.

Thus far GA have overpriced tickets on this route, there are no inter-service onward connections available from AMS (and who wants to reclaim baggage and check in again after a longhaul red-eye?), the website remains clunky and GA sales offices are a bit like banks used to be in the old Soviet bloc.

I worry that GA will blow their best chance yet for a return to the EU market by spoiling a ship for a hapeth of tar.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Wed, June 2, 2010, Singapore
Garuda resumes flights to Europe

Move may help attract investors to a US$300m initial public offering
(JAKARTA) PT Garuda Indonesia has resumed flights to Europe for the first time in six years after the European Union eased a ban on the nation's airlines following a series of fatal crashes.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/....html

Merci Madame. Sadly it is a subscription paper. However, I found these:

http://www.businesstravel.fr/2010060...ejoindre-skyteam-en-juin-2010.html

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/default.asp?cat=all&id=35139

The first one in French says that GA has expressed its interest in joining SkyTeam. Hopefully a Dutch a.netter can tell us what the second link is about.  



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 23):
Hopefully a Dutch a.netter can tell us what the second link is about.

Maybe Google Translate can help you.  


25 EddieDude : Maybe a Dutch a.netter can help.
26 Post contains images jpiddink : Sure, happy to help you out GA has put all cards on a full Sky Team membership. In that process, it is supported by KL. In January, GA claimed to keep
27 EddieDude : Thanks a lot Jasper. I suppose that if KL has decided to support GA, it has previously discussed the matter with the other SkyTeam airlines, so maybe
28 gffgold : Word has it that EU nationals travelling on the GA flight may receive their visa on arrival (VOA) on board the plane. This cuts out a certain amount o
29 BOAC911 : Nevertheless, I have the option of choosing from all three. So yes, it is competition..
30 Post contains links ChrisCruise : So nice to see this great livery back in AMS. For a video of the arrival at the gate please click this link: http://videoplayer.neos.nl/fd/index.php?i
31 Post contains links akhmad : I like this most of other GA inaugural landing videos in AMS.
32 ChrisCruise : Wow, that is a great video! I really enjoyed watching it! Adios, Christian
33 GA330 : The video was truly beautiful, but on a second look through other videos it seems that the landing on the inagural day wasnt smooth at all, maybe ther
34 Post contains links LIPZ : More European flights to come from Feb2011. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...re-european-flights-next-year.html
35 777way : They didnt fly this livery to AMS in the past as its new.
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