Initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1011 posts, RR: 16 Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12265 times:
GA is flying to AMS via DXB from their CGK hub starting tonight using their newest addition in the fleet - The Airbus A330-200. It will depart Jakarta as GA88 at 8:40pm (+7 GMT) and arrive at Dubai at 2:00am (+4 GMT) before leaving for Amsterdam at 3:15am (+4 GMT) and arriving at 8:00am.
This seems a great milestone for Garuda, I can't wait to try their new J and Y class on the A332 one day!
The route will be operated by a 77W when they arrive later this year, competing directly with KL who is also using a 77W.
MarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 600 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12239 times:
This is great news for Garuda, and for Europe as a whole. And what better gateway could there be but Europe's best intercontinental airport AMS?
EwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12217 times:
Correct me if I am wrong but the last destination in Europe they served before AMS was LGW right?
surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11969 times:
Hmmm it wasn't long ago when this airline (along with ALL Indonesian carriers) was banned from the E.U. entirely. I wonder if European travelers will remember that when booking their tickets? Garuda could face an uphill battle here winning pax over from KLM and the Persian Gulf carriers...
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11618 times:
Quoting Initious (Thread starter): The route will be operated by a 77W when they arrive later this year, competing directly with KL who is also using a 77W.
The upgrade to B77W is only planned for early 2011. At that point, the flight should go nonstop as well, while the A332 via DXB will then operate to one or more additional European destinations.
Quoting Initious (Thread starter): Correct me if I am wrong but the last destination in Europe they served before AMS was LGW right?
Initious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1011 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11304 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
The upgrade to B77W is only planned for early 2011. At that point, the flight should go nonstop as well, while the A332 via DXB will then operate to one or more additional European destinations.
My bad, I misread the article.
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7): Quoting Initious (Thread starter):
Correct me if I am wrong but the last destination in Europe they served before AMS was LGW right?
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11043 times:
CDG was also a Garuda destination.Hope it will be open again ! Garuda has been an old Paris visitor , having flown to LBG with CV990 and DC8s , before DC10s , and before moving to CDG with DC10s and 747s.Their 747-400s never touched down at Paris.
malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3185 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8359 times:
Miss GA to the USA at LAX
There Are Those Who Believe That There May Yet Be Other Airlines Who Even Now Fight To Survive Beyond The Heavens
jpiddink From Netherlands, joined Feb 2009, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7105 times:
Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 4): Hmmm it wasn't long ago when this airline (along with ALL Indonesian carriers) was banned from the E.U. entirely. I wonder if European travelers will remember that when booking their tickets? Garuda could face an uphill battle here winning pax over from KLM and the Persian Gulf carriers...
Can I say that this sounds a bit suggestive?
Safety shouldn't be an argument in the choice between KL and GA. All Indonesian carriers were banned in one decision because of lack of confidence in the Indonesian inspection authority. Since then, KL's maintenance dept [sic] has assisted GA in solidifying their procedures in order to prepare for its return to the EU. No reason whatsoever to suggest that their safety standard is now anything below KL's (or any other for that matter).
Better still, I am quite sure that whoever made the final decision to pull GA off the black list has taken a very thorough look into the situation, for fear of backfiring.
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7025 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 13): Is DXB basically a tech stop or do they actually hope to make $$$ with it?
As mentioned in reply 5 also, DXB can be booked on GA, so they make money with this stop also, aside from the fact that it is needed for refueling. So AMS-DXB sees quite some competition now. KL (2x daily), EK (1x daily) and GA (1x daily) all fly this city pair...
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
I think most of the pax that EK carries travel beyond DXB connecting to Indian/Asian/Oceanic destinations and therefore is not in direct competition with KL and GA.
Next flights: CPH-FRA-CPH: CPH-BKK-MNL-BKK-CPH; CPH-BRU-CPH
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6598 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6): Thanks. I recall that thread, but unfortunately it has been locked. Any recent developments?
Wed, June 2, 2010, Singapore
Garuda resumes flights to Europe
Move may help attract investors to a US$300m initial public offering
(JAKARTA) PT Garuda Indonesia has resumed flights to Europe for the first time in six years after the European Union eased a ban on the nation's airlines following a series of fatal crashes.
EMAman From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6238 times:
I hope they can make a success of their return to europe, and would love to see their livery back at LON sometime soon.
I did fly GA about 10 years ago however, and (I know things have prob changed in 10 years) but I would be a bit concerned that their cabin service products lagged behind their competitors to that region even then; CX, SQ, EK, KL and given the reputation for safety that indonesian aviation has, this could be difficult.
Best wishes to GA nonetheless, hopefully a new dawn for Indonesian aviation.
gffgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5908 times:
The GA inflight product has improved immeasurably on previous offerings and there should be no safety concerns - GA had to demonstrate solid performance in safety to get off that EU blacklist and was, and still is, subject to much scrutiny. All in all a perfectly good service from CGK to AMS. However...
GA management do not seem to realise that, as people have correctly stated in earlier posts, they have a lingering image problem outside Indonesia that needs to be countered by good marketing and a user-friendly sales interface. Once people experience the new product they may be impressed, but the hard battle will be persuading them to experience it in the first place. Within Indonesia GA is top of the pile for reliability, market presence and quality but on European routes they cannot afford to rest on their domestic reputation.
Thus far GA have overpriced tickets on this route, there are no inter-service onward connections available from AMS (and who wants to reclaim baggage and check in again after a longhaul red-eye?), the website remains clunky and GA sales offices are a bit like banks used to be in the old Soviet bloc.
I worry that GA will blow their best chance yet for a return to the EU market by spoiling a ship for a hapeth of tar.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20): Wed, June 2, 2010, Singapore
Garuda resumes flights to Europe
Move may help attract investors to a US$300m initial public offering
(JAKARTA) PT Garuda Indonesia has resumed flights to Europe for the first time in six years after the European Union eased a ban on the nation's airlines following a series of fatal crashes.
The first one in French says that GA has expressed its interest in joining SkyTeam. Hopefully a Dutch a.netter can tell us what the second link is about.
26 jpiddink: Sure, happy to help you out GA has put all cards on a full Sky Team membership. In that process, it is supported by KL. In January, GA claimed to keep
27 EddieDude: Thanks a lot Jasper. I suppose that if KL has decided to support GA, it has previously discussed the matter with the other SkyTeam airlines, so maybe
28 gffgold: Word has it that EU nationals travelling on the GA flight may receive their visa on arrival (VOA) on board the plane. This cuts out a certain amount o
29 BOAC911: Nevertheless, I have the option of choosing from all three. So yes, it is competition..
30 ChrisCruise: So nice to see this great livery back in AMS. For a video of the arrival at the gate please click this link: http://videoplayer.neos.nl/fd/index.php?i
31 akhmad: I like this most of other GA inaugural landing videos in AMS.
32 ChrisCruise: Wow, that is a great video! I really enjoyed watching it! Adios, Christian
33 GA330: The video was truly beautiful, but on a second look through other videos it seems that the landing on the inagural day wasnt smooth at all, maybe ther
34 LIPZ: More European flights to come from Feb2011. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...re-european-flights-next-year.html
35 777way: They didnt fly this livery to AMS in the past as its new.
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