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Single MCI Terminal Idea Resurfaces  
User currently offline727tiger From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Here's the link to today's Kansas City Star article:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/31...with-fewer-flights-these-days.html

For me, at least, this is one of those "in my head I know this is best but in my heart I'll miss the old MCI" stories. I grew up in KC along with MCI. My first flight ever was out of MKC but my second flight ever was out of MCI, and I fell in love with it even as a child. Somewhere, I think I still have the Kansas City Star section devoted to MCI's opening.

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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1911 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

It would be great for MCI if they could consolidate all of their ops into one terminal with a single security checkpoint. Their current security setup is so inefficient. I did a report on this issue last fall in one of my airport classes and it's interesting to read this article after writing up a 13 page paper on it.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 1):
It would be great for MCI if they could consolidate all of their ops into one terminal with a single security checkpoint. Their current security setup is so inefficient.

Inefficient? Yes. Worth changing? I'm not so sure. Realistically, there are no short- to medium-term prospects for anyone building a major connecting operation at MCI, which is the only thing they'd really need a single terminal for. For O&D passengers, the current operation can't be beat. The only downside - one that won't change even with a new terminal - is the location of the airport.



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3801 times:

Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the current terminal setup designed by TWA in the era before airport security? Then when the era of "Take me to Cuba" hijackings began, and airport security was added, the airport became incredibly inefficient because each gate had to have its own security setup? If what I read is accurate the airport was designed with the "drive to the gate" concept. I cool design but not efficient because of airport screening checkpoints.


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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3782 times:

The thing I've never understood, why doesn't MCI simply extend and widen the terminals outward (as, perhaps part of a massive renovation), giving the gate space much more wiggle room and connecting all of the gates so that one doesn't have to leave security to make their connections.

It seems like that would be a much cheaper option versus tearing it down and starting all over from scratch.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 4):
It seems like that would be a much cheaper option versus tearing it down and starting all over from scratch.

Sometimes, and I don't know if this is the case with MCI, its a whole lot easier and a lot cheaper to build an entirely new structure somewhere else on the property then try to renovate and expand an existing building.



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3658 times:

This article raises some very interesting points.

"In spring 2000, KCI had 283 daily departures. Now, on peak days, there are just 200 departing flights, a nearly 30 percent drop."

I presume those higher figures were due to the Vanguard hub? It's not like any of the airlines at MCI have made substantial cutbacks in terms of actual # of flights...

"The parking situation at Terminal B reflects some of the problems bigger airlines are causing at the airport. With the two busiest carriers housed there — Southwest Airlines and Delta — short-term parking in the terminal’s circular drive is usually full during the week."

So DL is the airport's 2nd largest carrier?? I would have thought that by now F9/YX would be??

“Forty percent of an airport’s revenue can come from retail and concessions, and for many airports it’s over 50 percent,” said Kasarda, who has been a consultant to the Kansas City Aviation Department in the past but not under VanLoh’s tenure. “Kansas City’s airport is not designed to allow that. The layout does not provide what’s needed in the 21st century.”

Now, at many of the foreign airports I've been to (IST, DXB, ICN, etc.) I can absolutely see this trend - the places looked like shopping malls with huge food courts and store after store. I can't think of a single U.S. airport where I have seen anything similar, with the notable exceptions of JFK's T4 and DEN. Do all those tiny little candy stands and magazine racks really rake in the dough for the relatively barren U.S. airports??

"As for the new airport proposal, VanLoh said the Federal Aviation Administration was reviewing Kansas City’s master plan. If approved, the city would then apply for federal funding, meaning it could take 10 to 20 more years before construction actually begins.

“The FAA supplies funds for one or two airports a year, so we would get in line,” he said

Indianapolis recently built a new airport for about $1 billion. VanLoh said 75 percent of the funding for a new airport would come from the FAA. The rest most likely would come from airport revenue bonds and the state without the need of any new local taxes, he added."

Anyone know who has already been approved and is slated to get funding for new terminal(s) in the near future?



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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1911 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3648 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 6):

Now, at many of the foreign airports I've been to (IST, DXB, ICN, etc.) I can absolutely see this trend - the places looked like shopping malls with huge food courts and store after store. I can't think of a single U.S. airport where I have seen anything similar, with the notable exceptions of JFK's T4 and DEN. Do all those tiny little candy stands and magazine racks really rake in the dough for the relatively barren U.S. airports??

Look at MCO and PIT. Both have substantial shopping and food areas.


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1551 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 1):
Their current security setup is so inefficient. I did a report on this issue last fall in one of my airport classes and it's interesting to read this article after writing up a 13 page paper on it.

Perhaps from a cost standpoint, but from a passenger convenience/time standpoint, it couldn't get any better. Couple the small screening areas with non-TSA security, and its one of the few pleasant checkpoints to go through.

But, I recall them pushing this new plan a couple of years ago, mostly with an emphasis on a single terminal south of the current facility, on the opposite side of 9/27. Seems like the cost involved with building a new terminal, plus all the other infrastructure is going to be huge, for little gain.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 4):
The thing I've never understood, why doesn't MCI simply extend and widen the terminals outward (as, perhaps part of a massive renovation), giving the gate space much more wiggle room and connecting all of the gates so that one doesn't have to leave security to make their connections.

Well, for one thing, most people who fly to MCI are not connecting, though a few are. The way the runways are built, the terminals are trapped inside the complex, and are unable to be expanded on 3 sides, the 4th side is in the center of the terminals, where the control tower is. Unfortunately, to redesign the airport, they would have to demolish all 3 terminals to rebuild one terminal.

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 3):
Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the current terminal setup designed by TWA in the era before airport security? Then when the era of "Take me to Cuba" hijackings began, and airport security was added, the airport became incredibly inefficient because each gate had to have its own security setup?

Yes, the airport was designed by TWA, and it was one of the most innovative designs in its day, but when security became a factor in the terminals, TWA was forced to move to STL so that they could have easier connections. Many people forget that TWA was once headquartered in MCI, and the airport they designed was what forced them to move.

Tyler


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3554 times:

Looks like the best way to do it would be to construct a central terminal area inbetween the two terminals and convert the area of the two terminals to function like a concourse only (now much wider), the two parking garages can be re-linked to the new centrak terminal building to keep costs low.


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User currently offlinelv From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Realistically, there are no short- to medium-term prospects for anyone building a major connecting operation at MCI, which is the only thing they'd really need a single terminal for.

With WN switching back from the idea of transcons to more shorter hop flights with a mid con connection... if MCI went to a single terminal I could see WN using it for that. After all MDW is just about maxed out... and unless they can work out something at STL there is only so much room there as it stands. Of course there is the question if the transfers would generate enough revenue to cover the cost of a new terminal.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Quoting lv (Reply 11):
After all MDW is just about maxed out... and unless they can work out something at STL there is only so much room there as it stands.

There's basically infinite room for them to grow at STL should they want to. They simply need to expand down D.



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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

After reading the article in the Star, I say take the easy, inexpensive route and close one building and run all the flights out of the other two.

Building a new terminal is throwing away good money.
Look at St Louis. Buy up a ton of property and build a new runway to handle addional traffic.
Now there was a "smart" move by you-know-who-----------Uncle Sam and your tax dollar at work.
I wonder what that whole project at STL cost you and me?
safe



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User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Another example of spending money that is not "theirs". If the state or city had to pay for the airport, nothing would change.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
There's basically infinite room for them to grow at STL should they want to. They simply need to expand down D.

Why don't they do this now? Especially with the cutbacks and other thread on WN delays. It seems that the best course of action would be to move Southwest to own D and close E.

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 13):
After reading the article in the Star, I say take the easy, inexpensive route and close one building and run all the flights out of the other two.

Sure, why can't they close A? MCI is a great airport just the way it exists today.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Quoting MoMan (Reply 14):
Why don't they do this now? Especially with the cutbacks and other thread on WN delays. It seems that the best course of action would be to move Southwest to own D and close E.

E is far nicer than D, and there aren't sufficient security facilities in Terminal 1 to handle WN's operations. If they reopen 22 and 24 and use the international gates some, they can probably expand by 50 percent or so in the existing facility.



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