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DID KLM Change Flight Number To YYZ?  
User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Forgive me if this subject as already be brought up but I find the answer here.

I have notice that since last month KL as been coming in to CYYZ as KL031 and outbound flight being KL032. However KL691 and is also showing as inbound to CYYZ but i dont hear them anymore. I guess my question is, is KL changing their flight Numbers to CYYZ or they are running to flight to toronto on same time slot?

Thanks for answers


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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

The flight numbers did not change. KL is using different numbers as call-signs on the TATL routes to avoid confusion with ATC.
AMS-YYZ is still KL691/KL692 and KL695/KL695.


User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

I don't get why it is creating confusing with ATC as this flight number as been in use for as long as I can remember and hence using it as my User ID since it was my first flight onboard KL.


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User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

if for example at the same time that KLM692 crosses the Atlantic Lufthansa 692 is crossing it (remember theoretically) and this happens every day, then one can choose to change the callsign so that you won't have call sign confusion (KLM reading back clearances for LH and vice versa).

KLM has been doing this on their European network for some time and started doing it for long haul around last year.

so don't worry, KLM692 still exist!



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2199 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

According the latest World Timetable of AF/KL (version 2.4.4. file version 20060301, update 2010-05D) the YYZ flights are still listed as a daily KL 691/692 (744) and 3 times a week KL 695/696 (MD11), during the summer schedule

KL 691 arrival YYZ 15.45, departure YYZ KL692 17.55
KL 695 arrival YYZ 20.15, departure YYZ KL696 22.35

You can keep your callsign, KL692.



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User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

So callsigns doesnt always have to be the same as flight nunber and if so, why does flightstats shows both flights as individual flight and did kl did stop over or divert to cyul last month as kl031 shows stop over cyul in when you check thehistory of the flightstats.com


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting kl692 (Reply 2):
I don't get why it is creating confusing with ATC as this flight number as been in use for as long as I can remember and hence using it as my User ID since it was my first flight onboard KL.

It is not for the YYZ or enroute part, but for the AMS arrivals. All (IIRC) KLM arrivals from the US are in the 600 series, so you have loads of KL6*2 in the AMS airspace in the morning when they all arrive in a short period of time. So in order to avoid confusion, they changed the operating flightnumber as indicated.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting kl692 (Reply 5):
did kl did stop over or divert to cyul last month as kl031 shows stop over cyul in when you check thehistory of the flightstats.com

Not sure about that, but KL's AMS-YYZ flight (operating as KLM31) diverted to YYR (Goose Bay) just a week ago (May 25) due to a medical emergency. Excerpt from Transport Canada incident report.

KLM31, Boeing 747-400, enroute from Amsterdam (EHAM) to Toronto (CYYZ), when in the vicinity of SCROD Intersection, declared a medical emergency and diverted to Goose Bay (CYYR). The aircraft landed at 17:24Z without further incident.

And their AMS-IAH 744 (operating as KLM23) diverted to YYZ on May 19, also due to a medical emergency.

The KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Boeing 747-400 aircraft (operating as KLM23) was concluding a scheduled IFR flight from Amsterdam (Schiphol) International Airport (Netherlands) (EHAM) to Houston (GBIA), TX (U.S.A.) (KIAH). While en-route to Houston, the flight crew declared a medical emergency and diverted to Toronto (LBPIA) (CYYZ). The aircraft landed on runway 06L at 1625Z.


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