GSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 400 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5890 times:
BA have till now operated all there leased aircraft from LHR on their T3 routes to AGP/BCN/HEL/LIS/MAD & VIE.
They will for the last stage of the strike will now operate most of their chartered aircrat from T5. From what I can see they have leased the following aircraft
05th June - 10th June
1 x Air Finland (OF) 757 - HEL/LHR/LIS/LHR/HEL (BA795/BA506/BA507/BA798) - As past strike dates
1 x Czech Airlines (OK) 737 - LHR/PRG/LHR/PRG/LHR (BA854/BA855/BA856/BA857) *** Ops by Astreaus 757 10th June***
1 x Jet2.com (LS) 737 - LHR/FRA/LHR/BUD/LHR (BA902/BA903/BA868/BA869)
1 x Titan Airways (ZT) 767 - LHR/ATH/LHR (BA632/BA633)
1 x EuroAtlantic Airways (MM) 767 - LHR/LCA/LHR (BA662/BA663)
ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8259 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5362 times:
I'm flying BA304 5/6, shows as the Euroatlantic 757.
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2361 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5051 times:
Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter): They will for the last stage of the strike will now operate most of their chartered aircrat from T5.
Good move.. I have always thought that operating to MAD and HEL was a waste of resources. IB and AY could handle that trafiic during strikes.
And what if BA permanently leased some 20 aircraft for the whole summer season as a strike breaking measures if they happen and lease out its propoper aircraft (there is surely some demand there). BA could operate 100% during strike periods and outside strike periods they could not roster the strikers.
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3015 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4813 times:
Quoting Glom (Reply 3): How long is this going to go on for?
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3015 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4674 times:
Quoting Glom (Reply 5): Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
Until BASSA back down I would imagine.
When's that going to happen?
When the samosas run out at Bedfont I would imagine. It appears from Duncan Holley's daily diary that free food appears to be the primary reason for attending strike headquarters. From the sound of all the breakfasts, cakes, etc; there's going to be a lot of new larger uniforms required when they return.
Seriously though, I think the final ending is in Willie Walsh's hands, just how far does he want to push BASSA. He has been able to repeatedly up the schedule, and BASSA can no longer claim that the return trips are crewed by people who will strike when they finally return, as apart from the one strike free day, which will have allowed crews reporting for their 1st duty in a week to get down route, all the other strikers will theoretically now be at Bedfont.
The threat of industrial action has hung over the head of BA for many years, surely better to lance the boil once and for all ?
We've gone from a strike which affected LHR & LGW, with LHR running at far below 50% even with lots of leased planes, to a LHR only strike with 80% long haul and 60% short haul using only 8 leased planes. Surely once BA are able to make another 10% or so increase to both figures BASSA have to lay down their banners ?
LHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4671 times:
Quoting Glom (Reply 5): When's that going to happen?
Soon I hope!!! Don't like being quiet at work, would rather be doing something!!
Interesting to see they are getting the leased planes back at T5, I thought the main reason they were in T3 was because of the baggage problems? The leased planes are not containerised so have to be loaded a different way, where as everything BA at T5 (except the odd 75) is all loaded with containers.
Will be nice to actually get a chance to see them though. In T3 you don't get up close as it were as everything is off pier and coached.
GSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 400 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4628 times:
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 2): Good move.. I have always thought that operating to MAD and HEL was a waste of resources. IB and AY could handle that trafiic during strikes.
MAD and HEL still operating however they will be operated by BA aircraft.
BP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4386 times:
I have used Blue Line before for heavy jet charters - they are an outfit in France with Executive Configured A-310's and MD-80's. Because Blue Line is a charter outfit in Europe, I thought Blue Line might be a good fit for the BA strike routes with a heavy premium cabin demand over one of the many upcoming strikes.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15722 posts, RR: 47 Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4236 times:
Flyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4190 times:
I was at LHR on 31st and hear lots of hooting and jeering whenever a leased plane operating for BA flew over, they are being silly now, obviously the people in the planes cant hear them lol!
LHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4123 times:
Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 11): I was at LHR on 31st and hear lots of hooting and jeering whenever a leased plane operating for BA flew over, they are being silly now, obviously the people in the planes cant hear them lol!
Sounds about right lol.
Went past Bedfont Football club 2 days in a row and the place was deserted!! Never seen it so quiet compared to the first strike.
say this does go on for a while, cant Willie Walsh say : "go on strike, and start looking for a new job".
In today's economy, I'm sure that many people would grasp at the opportunity to be hired and trained to work for BA under contracts probably. I'm sure there will be some money to be paid out to those being made redundant, but shows strength to BA execs doesn't it?
The worst thing i can see now Willie Walsh doing is giving into their demands...... otherwise they win and he gets walked over by everyone. Costs may be high, but in the long run you will get them back.
Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2803 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3588 times:
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 6): We've gone from a strike which affected LHR & LGW, with LHR running at far below 50% even with lots of leased planes, to a LHR only strike with 80% long haul and 60% short haul using only 8 leased planes. Surely once BA are able to make another 10% or so increase to both figures BASSA have to lay down their banners ?
Those are some amazing figures. Obviously the stranglehold BASSA things it has on BA is only in their minds. More and more Tony Woodley is becoming Stephen Aboutman, President of the WGA, the World Canadian Bureau.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7144 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
The sacked Duncan Holley's latest spiel includes this:
"So, as I said above just four days to go now - if you are feeling weary I know how you feel, but let me leave you with this. It was on June 5th 1989 - 21 years ago today - when the anonymous protester stood defiantly in front of all those Chinese tanks with his flag, continually stepping sideways so they could not pass. No one ever tracked him down and indeed he may not have survived, but that was one brave protest and one that has inspired me ever since. Bedfont is not Tiananmen Square but Walsh’s BA would surely be more at home in late 80s China."
LHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 17): "So, as I said above just four days to go now - if you are feeling weary I know how you feel, but let me leave you with this. It was on June 5th 1989 - 21 years ago today - when the anonymous protester stood defiantly in front of all those Chinese tanks with his flag, continually stepping sideways so they could not pass. No one ever tracked him down and indeed he may not have survived, but that was one brave protest and one that has inspired me ever since. Bedfont is not Tiananmen Square but Walsh’s BA would surely be more at home in late 80s China."
Does not surprise me in the least he has done this.
Went past the football club again today at 3, as well as past Hatton Cross.
The rotations above were operated by OK 734 OK-FGR on 5 June having ferried PRG-LHR (BA9251P) earlier in the day. This aircraft had not previously operated for BA.
The above rotation was operated by BA 763 G-BNWA on 5 June. However ZT 767 G-POWD was ferried into LHR (BA9245P) late on 5 June and I believe will operate the above rotation on 6 June. This aircraft had previously operated LHR-BCN-LHR-BCN-LHR (BA484/85 and BA480/81) up until 3 May but had then ferried from LHR. I believe this was to operate a single Titan Airways rotation to LOS.
The above rotation was operated by MM 763 CS-TFT on 5 June. This aircraft had previously been operating LHR-MAD-LHR(BA458/59) and LHR-AGP-LHR (BA494/95).
The rotations above were operated by MM 752 CS-TLX on 5 June. This aircraft had previously been operating LIS-LHR (BA499), LHR-HEL-LHR (BA794/99) and LHR-LIS (BA504) and was ferried back from LIS (BA9216P) very late on 4 June or very early 5 June.
The rotations above were operated by MM 752 CS-TFK on 5 June. This aircraft had previously been operating LHR-MAD-LHR (BA456/57), LHR-LIS-LHR (BA502/03).
planesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 802 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
say this does go on for a while, cant Willie Walsh say : "go on strike, and start looking for a new job".
They can be dismissed. This would be only after the statue time periods listed for a protected strike. If not, BA would be facing unfair dismissal claims.
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2225 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
Quoting david_itl (Reply 17): The sacked Duncan Holley's latest spiel includes this:
"So, as I said above just four days to go now - if you are feeling weary I know how you feel, but let me leave you with this. It was on June 5th 1989 - 21 years ago today - when the anonymous protester stood defiantly in front of all those Chinese tanks with his flag, continually stepping sideways so they could not pass. No one ever tracked him down and indeed he may not have survived, but that was one brave protest and one that has inspired me ever since. Bedfont is not Tiananmen Square but Walsh’s BA would surely be more at home in late 80s China."
hotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 783 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1816 times:
Quoting LHR380 (Reply 12): Went past Bedfont Football club 2 days in a row and the place was deserted!! Never seen it so quiet compared to the first strike.
Members of the public and even some of the staff on strike have grown tired of this nonsense now.
tcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1593 times:
I'm beginning to think that there's every chance a good proportion of the striking crew may be considering holding out for Redundancy.
Let's face it, the longer this goes on the more likly BA will need to rationalise crew numbers simply down to financial impact, but also because this strike has also shown how loyal staff can demonstrate flexibility to support the future of the Company. As an outsider, simply from these two angles, they are playing right into WW's hands.
There's also the question of BA's Call Centres. As BA continue to drive more transactions online, there will be more pressure to streamline this operational area. What better way of replacing strikers who either leave, or are fired in the future, than offer retraining and relocation packages to Call Centre workers into Ground and Cabin Crew. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens over the next 12-18 months
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ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8259 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1470 times:
Flew out on the Euro Atlantic op BA304 yesterday, flight was just fine, no service at all but the flight was 36 mins so not worried.
Flew back on flt 323, half of the cabin crew were pilots, they did a great job and got a round of applause when we got to the gate @ LHR.
Well done BA for and many thanks to all the pilots who are helping keep BA in the air.
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