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BA Strike Lease's 05-09June  
User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

BA have till now operated all there leased aircraft from LHR on their T3 routes to AGP/BCN/HEL/LIS/MAD & VIE.

They will for the last stage of the strike will now operate most of their chartered aircrat from T5. From what I can see they have leased the following aircraft

05th June - 10th June

1 x Air Finland (OF) 757 - HEL/LHR/LIS/LHR/HEL (BA795/BA506/BA507/BA798) - As past strike dates

1 x Czech Airlines (OK) 737 - LHR/PRG/LHR/PRG/LHR (BA854/BA855/BA856/BA857) *** Ops by Astreaus 757 10th June***

1 x Jet2.com (LS) 737 - LHR/FRA/LHR/BUD/LHR (BA902/BA903/BA868/BA869)

1 x Titan Airways (ZT) 767 - LHR/ATH/LHR (BA632/BA633)

1 x EuroAtlantic Airways (MM) 767 - LHR/LCA/LHR (BA662/BA663)

2 x EuroAtlantic Airways (MM)757 - LHR/CDG/LHR/FCO/LHR (BA302/BA307/BA560/BA559)
- LHR/FCO/LHR/FCO/LHR (BA552/BA553/BA556/BA557)

07th Jun-10th June

1 x Titan Airways (ZT) 757 - LHR/NCE/LHR/ARN/LHR (BA342/BA343/BA780/BA781)

[Edited 2010-06-01 09:42:03]

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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6021 times:
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I'm flying BA304 5/6, shows as the Euroatlantic 757.

Quite an interesting change from the norm.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 2500 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
They will for the last stage of the strike will now operate most of their chartered aircrat from T5.

Good move.. I have always thought that operating to MAD and HEL was a waste of resources. IB and AY could handle that trafiic during strikes.

And what if BA permanently leased some 20 aircraft for the whole summer season as a strike breaking measures if they happen and lease out its propoper aircraft (there is surely some demand there). BA could operate 100% during strike periods and outside strike periods they could not roster the strikers.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

How long is this going to go on for?

User currently onlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 3):
How long is this going to go on for?

Until BASSA back down I would imagine.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5422 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
Until BASSA back down I would imagine.

When's that going to happen?


User currently onlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 5):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
Until BASSA back down I would imagine.


When's that going to happen?

When the samosas run out at Bedfont I would imagine. It appears from Duncan Holley's daily diary that free food appears to be the primary reason for attending strike headquarters. From the sound of all the breakfasts, cakes, etc; there's going to be a lot of new larger uniforms required when they return.

Seriously though, I think the final ending is in Willie Walsh's hands, just how far does he want to push BASSA. He has been able to repeatedly up the schedule, and BASSA can no longer claim that the return trips are crewed by people who will strike when they finally return, as apart from the one strike free day, which will have allowed crews reporting for their 1st duty in a week to get down route, all the other strikers will theoretically now be at Bedfont.
The threat of industrial action has hung over the head of BA for many years, surely better to lance the boil once and for all ?
We've gone from a strike which affected LHR & LGW, with LHR running at far below 50% even with lots of leased planes, to a LHR only strike with 80% long haul and 60% short haul using only 8 leased planes. Surely once BA are able to make another 10% or so increase to both figures BASSA have to lay down their banners ?


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5330 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 5):
When's that going to happen?

Soon I hope!!! Don't like being quiet at work, would rather be doing something!!

Interesting to see they are getting the leased planes back at T5, I thought the main reason they were in T3 was because of the baggage problems? The leased planes are not containerised so have to be loaded a different way, where as everything BA at T5 (except the odd 75) is all loaded with containers.

Will be nice to actually get a chance to see them though. In T3 you don't get up close as it were as everything is off pier and coached.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5287 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 2):
Good move.. I have always thought that operating to MAD and HEL was a waste of resources. IB and AY could handle that trafiic during strikes.

MAD and HEL still operating however they will be operated by BA aircraft.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

I have used Blue Line before for heavy jet charters - they are an outfit in France with Executive Configured A-310's and MD-80's. Because Blue Line is a charter outfit in Europe, I thought Blue Line might be a good fit for the BA strike routes with a heavy premium cabin demand over one of the many upcoming strikes.

http://www.flyblueline.com/

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17489 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
Until BASSA back down I would imagine.

Can BA hire replacements in the mean time?



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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

I was at LHR on 31st and hear lots of hooting and jeering whenever a leased plane operating for BA flew over, they are being silly now, obviously the people in the planes cant hear them lol!

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 11):
I was at LHR on 31st and hear lots of hooting and jeering whenever a leased plane operating for BA flew over, they are being silly now, obviously the people in the planes cant hear them lol!

Sounds about right lol.

Went past Bedfont Football club 2 days in a row and the place was deserted!! Never seen it so quiet compared to the first strike.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):

Can BA hire replacements in the mean time?

No.


User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):

Can BA hire replacements in the mean time?

I have always wondered this.


say this does go on for a while, cant Willie Walsh say : "go on strike, and start looking for a new job".

In today's economy, I'm sure that many people would grasp at the opportunity to be hired and trained to work for BA under contracts probably. I'm sure there will be some money to be paid out to those being made redundant, but shows strength to BA execs doesn't it?

The worst thing i can see now Willie Walsh doing is giving into their demands...... otherwise they win and he gets walked over by everyone. Costs may be high, but in the long run you will get them back.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 6):
We've gone from a strike which affected LHR & LGW, with LHR running at far below 50% even with lots of leased planes, to a LHR only strike with 80% long haul and 60% short haul using only 8 leased planes. Surely once BA are able to make another 10% or so increase to both figures BASSA have to lay down their banners ?

Those are some amazing figures. Obviously the stranglehold BASSA things it has on BA is only in their minds. More and more Tony Woodley is becoming Stephen Aboutman, President of the WGA, the World Canadian Bureau.


User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 15):
Tony Woodley is becoming Stephen Aboutman, President of the WGA, the World Canadian Bureau

Haha i can see it just now between Tony and Willie now!

T: Im not your friend, buddy!
W: Im not your buddy, pal!
T: Im not your pal, friend!
W: Im not your friend, buddy!

and it goes on.......



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7377 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3088 times:
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The sacked Duncan Holley's latest spiel includes this:

"So, as I said above just four days to go now - if you are feeling weary I know how you feel, but let me leave you with this. It was on June 5th 1989 - 21 years ago today - when the anonymous protester stood defiantly in front of all those Chinese tanks with his flag, continually stepping sideways so they could not pass. No one ever tracked him down and indeed he may not have survived, but that was one brave protest and one that has inspired me ever since. Bedfont is not Tiananmen Square but Walsh’s BA would surely be more at home in late 80s China."


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 17):
"So, as I said above just four days to go now - if you are feeling weary I know how you feel, but let me leave you with this. It was on June 5th 1989 - 21 years ago today - when the anonymous protester stood defiantly in front of all those Chinese tanks with his flag, continually stepping sideways so they could not pass. No one ever tracked him down and indeed he may not have survived, but that was one brave protest and one that has inspired me ever since. Bedfont is not Tiananmen Square but Walsh’s BA would surely be more at home in late 80s China."

Does not surprise me in the least he has done this.

Went past the football club again today at 3, as well as past Hatton Cross.

No one there!


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
1Air Finland (OF) 757 - HEL/LHR/LIS/LHR/HEL (BA795/BA506/BA507/BA798)

The rotations above were operated by OF 752 OH-AFJ on 5 June (as well as on every day from 20 May to 4 June inclusive).

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Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Czech Airlines (OK) 737 - LHR/PRG/LHR/PRG/LHR (BA854/BA855/BA856/BA857)

The rotations above were operated by OK 734 OK-FGR on 5 June having ferried PRG-LHR (BA9251P) earlier in the day. This aircraft had not previously operated for BA.

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Jet2.com (LS) 737 - LHR/FRA/LHR/BUD/LHR (BA902/BA903/BA868/BA869)

The rotations above were operated by LS 733 G-CELI on 5 June. This aircraft had not previously operated for BA.

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Titan Airways (ZT) 767 - LHR/ATH/LHR (BA632/BA633)

The above rotation was operated by BA 763 G-BNWA on 5 June. However ZT 767 G-POWD was ferried into LHR (BA9245P) late on 5 June and I believe will operate the above rotation on 6 June. This aircraft had previously operated LHR-BCN-LHR-BCN-LHR (BA484/85 and BA480/81) up until 3 May but had then ferried from LHR. I believe this was to operate a single Titan Airways rotation to LOS.

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
EuroAtlantic Airways (MM) 767 - LHR/LCA/LHR (BA662/BA663)

The above rotation was operated by MM 763 CS-TFT on 5 June. This aircraft had previously been operating LHR-MAD-LHR(BA458/59) and LHR-AGP-LHR (BA494/95).

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
EuroAtlantic Airways (MM)757 - LHR/CDG/LHR/FCO/LHR (BA302/BA307/BA560/BA559)

The rotations above were operated by MM 752 CS-TLX on 5 June. This aircraft had previously been operating LIS-LHR (BA499), LHR-HEL-LHR (BA794/99) and LHR-LIS (BA504) and was ferried back from LIS (BA9216P) very late on 4 June or very early 5 June.

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Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
EuroAtlantic Airways (MM)757 - LHR/FCO/LHR/FCO/LHR (BA552/BA553/BA556/BA557)

The rotations above were operated by MM 752 CS-TFK on 5 June. This aircraft had previously been operating LHR-MAD-LHR (BA456/57), LHR-LIS-LHR (BA502/03).

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User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 14):

I have always wondered this.


say this does go on for a while, cant Willie Walsh say : "go on strike, and start looking for a new job".

They can be dismissed. This would be only after the statue time periods listed for a protected strike. If not, BA would be facing unfair dismissal claims.


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 17):
The sacked Duncan Holley's latest spiel includes this:

"So, as I said above just four days to go now - if you are feeling weary I know how you feel, but let me leave you with this. It was on June 5th 1989 - 21 years ago today - when the anonymous protester stood defiantly in front of all those Chinese tanks with his flag, continually stepping sideways so they could not pass. No one ever tracked him down and indeed he may not have survived, but that was one brave protest and one that has inspired me ever since. Bedfont is not Tiananmen Square but Walsh’s BA would surely be more at home in late 80s China."

What compete trash this is, what a fool



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2475 times:
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Quoting LHR380 (Reply 12):
Went past Bedfont Football club 2 days in a row and the place was deserted!! Never seen it so quiet compared to the first strike.

Members of the public and even some of the staff on strike have grown tired of this nonsense now.



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User currently offlinetcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

I'm beginning to think that there's every chance a good proportion of the striking crew may be considering holding out for Redundancy.

Let's face it, the longer this goes on the more likly BA will need to rationalise crew numbers simply down to financial impact, but also because this strike has also shown how loyal staff can demonstrate flexibility to support the future of the Company. As an outsider, simply from these two angles, they are playing right into WW's hands.

There's also the question of BA's Call Centres. As BA continue to drive more transactions online, there will be more pressure to streamline this operational area. What better way of replacing strikers who either leave, or are fired in the future, than offer retraining and relocation packages to Call Centre workers into Ground and Cabin Crew. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens over the next 12-18 months



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
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Flew out on the Euro Atlantic op BA304 yesterday, flight was just fine, no service at all but the flight was 36 mins so not worried.

Flew back on flt 323, half of the cabin crew were pilots, they did a great job and got a round of applause when we got to the gate @ LHR.

Well done BA for and many thanks to all the pilots who are helping keep BA in the air.



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