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Tel Aviv - Antalia Line To Be Closed Next Week  
User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1310 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

After 20 years of non stop operation, TLV-AYT line will be closed next will. The last flight will take place next sunday (June 6th).

The line was opened in 1990, and became one of the most popular routes out of Israel. AYT was, during summer and holidays, at the top 5 destinations out of Tel Aviv. Other airports from Israel to holiday destinations in Turkey were Dalaman, Budrum and Izmir, but Antalya was always number 1 airport.

In 2008 550,000 Israelis spent vacation in Turkey (including myself...twice!), but since the deterioration in relations between countries, starting at December 2008, the number of tourists from Israel to Turkey has declined, and after this week events - there are simply no more orders from Israel to Turkey. The coming flight on sunday will bring back the Israelis who are now around Antalya, and the TLV-AYT line will be closed till further notice.

In addition, El Al announced that it's planned code share flights to Istanbul-Ataturk (IST) with Atlas jet will not take place, again - due to low demand.

Therefore, the only flight line between Israel and Turkey is now IST-TLV-IST operated by Turkish Airlines.


"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

it will be interesting to see how the TLV-IST-TLV lin will develop under Turkish Airlines. Considering that most passengers on TK use the flight as feeder to conect to other destinations the demand will remain stabile.

User currently offlinetodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 1):
Considering that most passengers on TK use the flight as feeder to conect to other destinations the demand will remain stabile.

This - as well as the fate of the other mentioned flights - will greatly depend on the political developments in Turkey. If this country decides to continue its policy of severing ties with Israel, I don't think those flights will be reintroduced in the near future. And with the situation currently prevailing in Turkey, I would certainly not select a Turkish airline or a Turkish airport as a travel option to or from Israel.........



I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
User currently offlinely7e7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2256 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

Some companies already updated their travel policies to exclude TK.

(Not as a political thing but rather a personal safety concern)

[Edited 2010-06-04 04:21:21]


2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlinesemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

At Geneva airport TK were still advertising connections to TLV with other cities.

I have a funny feeling they will stop the flight to IST or just keep it 1 x a week to keep in touch just a wee bit.


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting ly7e7 (Reply 3):
Not as a political thing but rather a personal safety concern

A personal safety concern driven by a political decision I'm afraid to say. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of the issue or assigning blame, It shows you what can happen when politics are driven by egos or badly thought-out decisons.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
the only flight line between Israel and Turkey is now IST-TLV-IST operated by Turkish Airlines.

TK still operating flights without change 24 x weekly. Tomorrow, Sunday out of 4 daily flights to TLV, one with 738, one with 320, two with 321s. TK occasionally sends twin aisles down to TLV. Let's see if this remains like this.
On the other hand TK didn't have AYT-TLV flights, they were mostly charters. I have a feeling those flights will come back. Hopefully sooner than later.
Just to give some numbers about tourists in AYT; so far this year in five months 2,371,973 tourists arrived there mostly from Germany, Russia and Holland. Israeli tourists rank at number 11 with 41,749 pax, roughly 1.86% of all tourists arriving.
Looking into the future trends, Russian tourists increase is at 35% probably due to removal of visa requirements between Russia and Turkey and a huge rise in Iranian tourist increase at 153%, now ranked 15th.


User currently offlineoriginalblis From Israel, joined Jan 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

anyone have any idea about the economic cost of this? i know you have all presented passenger numbers, but can anyone approximate the monetary loss? was this a major route for any of the smaller airlines?


originalblis
User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

given that Turkish Airlines offers a very good service and competitive prices there is no reason that Israelis will not continue to make use of them as a connecting airlline via Istanbul. However if the political situation worsens between the 2 countries it is not at all to recomend to fly them as Israeli citiz

Quoting originalblis (Reply 7):
anyone have any idea about the economic cost of this? i know you have all presented passenger numbers, but can anyone approximate the monetary loss? was this a major route for any of the smaller airlines?

I am not aware of detailed costs, however before the first tentions with Israel and turkey began there was even a much greater amount of Israeli tourists traveling to Antalya which means that it will definetly be felt.


User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1787 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3947 times:

Besides Antalya, IST has been a great connecting hub for people traveling to/from Israel. With the newly announced LAX and IAD routes the potentials were there... It is also the case where TK was sending widebodies for cargo volume. Let's see how that changes now.

TK787, the immense increase in the Iranian tourists are good but you left out the part that Iran considers AYT an 'infedel' destination. Most of the flights to AYT from Iran make a 'technical stop' in other parts of the country like Gaziantep or Diyarbakir before heading to AYT.

I just hope that cooler heads will prevail and the traffic will be back up to the original level.



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Quoting bahadir (Reply 9):
TK787, the immense increase in the Iranian tourists are good but you left out the part that Iran considers AYT an 'infedel' destination. Most of the flights to AYT from Iran make a 'technical stop' in other parts of the country like Gaziantep or Diyarbakir before heading to AYT.

I'm doing quite often these flights via Gaziantep, Diyarbakir or Adana to Iran and there are not that many tourists. Mainly Iranian people living around Antalya going back for Umrah. The interesting part is that some companies are taking some extra fuel and diverts to Antalya, (instead of the technical stop), and often loose their rights to fly to Iran again after that.

Quoting originalblis (Reply 7):
anyone have any idea about the economic cost of this? i know you have all presented passenger numbers, but can anyone approximate the monetary loss? was this a major route for any of the smaller airlines?

I have no idea about the economical cost(s) for this, but I guess it will not have such a big impact on Antalya or Turkey this year. Since more or less all charter company's have increased their summer flights to Antalya/Turkey this year, I think the economical cost will not be felt too much for the region.

This may be a problem for the small charter airlines though. Most of them (Sky Airlines, Onur Air, Corendon, Freebird, Turkuaz, Atlas) are flying the TLV-route but I don't know who has the most frequencies this year. I think Sky Airlines is flying a lot to TLV this year, but maybe somebody else have more information.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Infidel Bangkok is served by both Iran air and mahan nonstop flights, Mahan were also going to Bali with 747 but I think it got cancelled before launch.

Quoting bahadir (Reply 9):


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1310 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
TK still operating flights without change 24 x weekly. Tomorrow, Sunday out of 4 daily flights to TLV, one with 738, one with 320, two with 321s. TK occasionally sends twin aisles down to TLV. Let's see if this remains like this.



That's right. Don't forget that there is large jewish community in Istanbul with relatives in Israel, who keep this line profitable.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
Just to give some numbers about tourists in AYT; so far this year in five months 2,371,973 tourists arrived there mostly from Germany, Russia and Holland. Israeli tourists rank at number 11 with 41,749 pax, roughly 1.86% of all tourists arriving.



The number of Israeli tourists to Turkey (excluding passengers connecting at IST) in 2008 was 550,000. In the summer, there were more then 20 flights a day to AYT, some operated by wide bodies like A300. I flew TLV-AYT-TLV and TLV-DLM-TLV on Onur Air A300B4-203 myself in 2008.

At 2009, the number of Israelis heading for Turkey went down by no less then 40%, and in 2010 even more (till the full cancellation of the line). So for early 2010 the tourists number may seem low, but till 2008 the number of Israelis heading to AYT and DLM was way higher.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
Russian tourists increase is at 35% probably due to removal of visa requirements between Russia and Turkey



Interesting, Israel also removed visa requirements from Russia (and Ukraine) this year. Maybe new policy at the Russian government?



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