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User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

1. Anybody know any airline other than Cathay and Emirates that is hiring international pilots ( no need of local citizenship)? Commuetrs count to. Thanks.
2. Two months ago I attended a aviation conference "SAMA 2001". There was a guy speaking ( senior 742 captain from NWA) about hiring predictions for next 10-15 years. It looked prette interesting. In about 2007-2008 there will be not enough qualified pilots ( for majors and regionals) in USA!!
My question: according to this, do you think that US airlines are going to change their foreign pilots policy ( start sponsor green cards)? As far as i know no US airline sponsor green cards for international pilots right now. What do you think? Hope to hear something.

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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

There are quite a few Asian carriers including Eva, Korean, and Jal. The one thing you will notice about these jobs the requirements are very high! I know Emirates is saying 5500 TT, and it is my understanding that most of the guys that go for these already have some airline flying.

I highly doutb the US will ever have a shortage of pilots, it is more of a marketing ploy used by flight schools. Yes a lot of hiring will be taking place, but that is different then a shortage. Currently at airlines like UPS there are 14,000 applications waiting to be looked over.
Iain


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Emirates first officer requirement is 2500 TT.
Cathay second officer is 1000TT.


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

To be competetive at Emirates you need in the region of 5500-6000TT, I am unsure what cathy are saying.
Iain


User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Than why is it that united is looking for qualified forreign pilots? They must be desperate to find Airbus rated oilots because I had an offer from them and they where willing to do all what is necessary for the green card.
Also Emirates has lowered its requirement for hiring because ther simply are no more type-rated pilots available!


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

UA is not hiring foreign pilots, there are probably 10,000+ appliacation in the pile there. There really is not a pilot shortage in the US, think if UA where so desperate for there are 1,700 comair pilots that will happily fill their cockpits!
Iain


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Dude, where did you get that info about UL hiring international, and helping with green cards?

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Polair, do not believe what he is saying. There by no means is a pilot shortage in the US, if you want to fly for a US carrier, marry a US citizen!
Iain


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1245 times:

Sure there is a shortage! It will be even morse in 5-6 years. We are talking about qualified pilots. 14 thousands applications in the airlines does not mean that there is so much of them! 1/3 of them wont get in cause dont have four year degree. Some got DUI's, som are too old, some dont have all required certificates, soem wont pass first class medical, and so on.....
Majors will never have a problem with pilots, cause there is enough of them in regionals, but whet will regional do, when most of their pilots go to majors? And belive me, this will happened!!! "Vietnam" pilots are retiring right now, or will retire in 5-6 years. This is a lot of pilots!!
Is there any people on Airliners.com that came to USA to study aviation??? Say something people! I am in this situation now. I will graduate in near future and than what????
I think my girlfriend wont be happy about me and marriage with some girl from US.


User currently offlineCatpac From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1242 times:

Its true that there already is a shortage of pilots and will get even worse.

Cathay in 1999 cancelled several flights due to shortage of flight crew, yet they have 10,000 applicants on their database, one has to realise that just because 10,000 applicants are willing to fly for them it doesn't mean that they are all properly qualified like PolAir mentioned, not every tom dick and harry can be a professional pilot and out of those 10,000 applicants of whatever number it is, some of them are over 45 or even older, some have only got a PPL,...most of them haven't got what it takes to get in to an international airline.


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

That capt from NWA was realy woried. he was also recruiting officer for them. He said that half of the aplication is out on the beggining!! He also said, that NWA hired one eye pilot couple months ago! Guy was simply best qualified from bunch of aplications. He also said that in few years minimum requirements for majors will go down drasticaly ( it is alreday low! I know guy from my school- University Of North dakota- that was hired in Delta with 450 hours!!!!). That is why recruiting officers from both majors and regionals travel from one aviation school to another to establish some kind of connection with that school.
he concluded this speach:"I dont know what we are going to do in few years! You guys are lucky. You will not have a problem with finding job."
Yeah right, maybe if i find a wife here or they going to give me green card ( slim chances). I hate to spend $100K to get my education, and than go back to my country ( Poland) and maybe work for home country airlines (LOT), if thay hire me, which i dont think so. damn, i hope they will start sponsor green cards. HELP!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

Polair, This was taken from a friend of mine website which is dedicated to helping aspiring pilots (Jetcareers).

Pilot Shortages
About once every three to five years, the media sparks up the speculation machine about an upcoming pilot shortage. Stories of airlines canceling flights because of a lack of pilots, flight delays and worried frets about the future with so few pilots coming through the pipeline. The major airlines will probably never see a pilot shortage, but perhaps the ranks of certified flight instructors and part-135 air charter pilots will decrease.

The regionals will always have a need for new pilots. In the current job market, pilots with 800 to 1000 hours of flight time can find employment at a regional. However, keep in mind that the aviation job market closely follows the economic cycle. When I was in the market looking for a regional airline job in the early 1990's, if you didn't have 3,000 hours and a couple of space shuttle landings, you could almost forget about finding employment. Since then, the economy has picked up and the market for regional pilots has improved.

A major airline may have 11,000 resumes on file at any one time. In a brisk year, that particular airline may hire 800 to 1000 pilots from that bank of 11,000. That means that getting to the big leagues is always going to be very competitive and you should plan accordingly.

There are two elements to the hiring profile at an airline. There is the 'minimum' qualification and the 'average' qualification of new pilots. For example, United may say that the minimum total flight time qualification for an applicant is 1,500 hours. However, the average new hire may have 3,500 to 4,000 hours before getting hired.


Iain



User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Only problem is economy. I hope gov. will lower taxes much more. This will make economy going again. I hate to see 1500 or so pilots from Comair to compete with me.

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

So if i wanted to become a Flight Attendant in USA for a International airline, they would not give me a Green Card?? Why is this??

Cheers
mikey


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

No they would not give you green card. I dont know why! I am trying to figure out the same thing. I want to be pilot in US airline, and it cant be done. Not right now at least. That is why i asked about future, cause they will be short in pilots. maybe than, but who knows? WHO KNOWS??!!!!
You can get a green card in three ways:
1. If you have a close family in US, and they are US citizens. You have to apply for citizenship. In order to get citizenship you wait 5 years, and for those 5 years they give you green card.
2. You can play lottery. They give up 50,000 green card a year.
3. Some company may apply for green card for you. So called sponsorship. But airlines dont do it!!!!!!!!


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

How is that work in new Zealand. can i be a pilot in New Zealand?

User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

Come on airnewzealand! how is it in New Zealand?

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