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A Possible A380-900 Order By LH?  
User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 24385 times:

I just saw this picture which shows signs on the tarmac in FRA for the A380-900.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/flosculus/4663024324/

It also seems to bee inside a LH hangar.

Why should they already paint these signs, if there is no A380-900 in the pipeline? I'm curious, can we expect a possible order for the A380-900 by Lufthansa?

Axel

[Edited 2010-06-04 10:33:32]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15742 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 24363 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Thread starter):
Why should they already paint these signs, if there is no A380-900 in the pipeline?

It must be a typo or something. After all, how can they paint those lines for a plane that is not even launched yet, meaning that they do not know how long it will be. Granted, the forward section will probably be about the same as the -800, so they could probably use the same line anyway.



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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 24333 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
It must be a typo or something.

Such a typo inside a Lufthansa hangar? No way!  no 

Axel

[Edited 2010-06-04 10:42:02]


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User currently onlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 24068 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
It must be a typo or something.

You're talking Germans here. They don't do typos.


User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23990 times:

It could just mean up to the -900? Like saying the -800 and -900

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30981 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23957 times:
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I believe DXB and/or JXB also have "A380-900" positions at their gates.

I imagine it's just being future-proofing or even just some type of test used to determine aircraft positioning.

After all, it's only paint. It can be removed easily enough if Airbus never does launch such a plane.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2707 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23844 times:

The Engineers who designed that hall would have been stupid if they would have designed the hangars only for the A 380-800. But as I said in the other thread, they forgot the markings for the A 380-Udvar-Hazy.

Quoting wolbo (Reply 3):
You're talking Germans here. They don't do typos.

Jes, thads apsolutely tru!


User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23793 times:

Enders mentioned Lufthansa's A380-900 interest last week. I shall look for a link..

User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23750 times:

Asked if a stretched version (the so-called -900) will be launched anytime soon, he responded, "It is not on my screen for the time being. Lufthansa is not the only carrier which has shown interest [in the -900], but we have to take one step at a time."

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...-a380-airlines-program-costly-0520


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10025 posts, RR: 96
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23708 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
It must be a typo or something. After all, how can they paint those lines for a plane that is not even launched yet, meaning that they do not know how long it will be

Airbus quoted dimensions for an A380-900 when they launched the A380-800.
It was a straight 6m stretch of the original (from 73m to 79m)

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 6):
But as I said in the other thread, they forgot the markings for the A 380-Udvar-Hazy.

This one wasn't on the cards back then...  

Mind you S U-H DID get Airbus to launch the A350XWB, so you never know..   

Rgds


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23570 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 8):
It is not on my screen for the time being. Lufthansa is not the only carrier which has shown interest [in the -900], but we have to take one step at a time."

CX will surely order it if they make A389.
Also, if a A389F is made, hopefully we should see more of it coming.  

cheers!



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User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23120 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 2):
Such a typo inside a Lufthansa hangar? No way!

very true... I would bet that LH could persade Airbus to make the plane sooner, with a large enough order?

Quoting wolbo (Reply 3):
You're talking Germans here. They don't do typos.

Incredibly true... haha


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 22951 times:
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 9):
Airbus quoted dimensions for an A380-900 when they launched the A380-800.
It was a straight 6m stretch of the original (from 73m to 79m)

why doesnt airbus just streech the a389 the extra meter to the 80m limit of aiplane boxes?, and does this mean scince the a389 will be at the limit of the airport boxes, larger airplanes must either be a triple decker (that would be uglier the the a380) or triple wide (that would be intresting)?



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10025 posts, RR: 96
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22642 times:
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Quoting web500sjc (Reply 12):
why doesnt airbus just streech the a389 the extra meter to the 80m limit of aiplane boxes?,

Good question. I don't know.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 12):
and does this mean scince the a389 will be at the limit of the airport boxes, larger airplanes must either be a triple decker (that would be uglier the the a380) or triple wide (that would be intresting)?

History suggests they'll just create a bigger "airport box" one day. I'm pretty sure the 80m x 80m box didn't exist once upon a time.

For what its worth, at least two potential customers are reputed to have urged Airbus to consider a "double stretch" of the A380 of up to 85m long. As has been suggested, Steve Udvar-Hazy (once of ILFC) is one, and I believe EK are the other....

Rgds


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 20560 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 3):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
It must be a typo or something.

You're talking Germans here. They don't do typos.

Thanks for the tip, could come in handy when I spend next week in the land of the Prussians who would surely be even less likely to make a typo.   

One of these days, an A389 thread will be more than paint on the floor - I hope. Meanwhile, I will just have to put up with the S-A (S stands for "short") A388.


User currently offlineCol220 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19172 times:

Is this picture real? For me it looks like Photoshop. If you look closely you can see a rectangle around the text and the perspective is also not correct related to the other marks. So I think if you will visit the hangar, you will not find there a mark A380-900. (???)
Another argument that the photo is a fake is: Does Lufthansa have the drawings for the A380-900 or do they already exist? If not, where would you put the mark? You could only do the markings by fantasy and you have possibly to change them.

[Edited 2010-06-05 01:39:24]

User currently offlinebuslover From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19088 times:

1) LH ordered 15 A380, As only -800s were available, they settled for this model at the time of order.
All aircraft not having started production process could be changed into another version, like the -900 or the -1000

2) LH often did change the original orders, starting form the B707-400

3) LH has already mentioned the rquirement to get a larger version

4) Airbus has the original design for the -900 and downsized it to the -800! That's why it looks a little "compressed". Just wait for the -1000, then you all will like the looks of the biggy.



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User currently offlineglareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18400 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 3):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
It must be a typo or something.

You're talking Germans here. They don't do typos.

I don't know about that but I this is no mistake either. I think that the front of the aircraft doesn't change but LH has probably teken in account that the length of the stretched (and maybe even double stretched) A380 should fit into the hangar.

For me it is not if but when Airbus will offer the stretched version(s). Possibly when the EK production is well advanced so that they cannot change it any longer. Even with the additional investment for the stretch believe Airbus has better chances to bring the A380 project into pofitability with more types. In the long term, that is. And for the anti-A380 lobbyistst in this forum: the business case for the A380 is improving with the ongoing consolidation of airlines and the growing slot restrictions and noise reductions at major airports around the globe.

Just my    by the way.



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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18267 times:

Suddenly the whole thing looks amasingly stunning - no more stubby bubby

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00006210.jpg



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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 17195 times:

Quoting Col220 (Reply 15):
For me it looks like Photoshop.

No this must be real, meanwhile I also saw other pics with this marking.

Axel



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16944 times:

I should think Emirates would have enough clout and certainly A380 orders on the books to convince Airbus to launch the -900. They've literally been begging for a stretched version anyway..haven't they?

User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16575 times:

Quoting Col220 (Reply 15):
Another argument that the photo is a fake is

Wether it is Photoshopped or not, it IS an official Lufthansa Media release, which can also be downloaded through various official Lufthansa-websites. So yes, Lufthansa seems to be up to something with this.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12549 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15331 times:

The Wiki sez:

Quote:
A380-900

In November 2007, Airbus top sales executive and chief operating officer John Leahy confirmed plans for an enlarged variant, the A380-900, which would be slightly longer than the A380-800 (79.4–73 m or 260–240 ft).[174] This version would have a seating capacity of 650 passengers in standard configuration, and approximately 900 passengers in economy-only configuration. In May 2010, Airbus announced that A380-900 production was postponed, until production of the A380-800 has stabilised.[175] Airlines that have expressed interest in the model include Emirates,[176] Virgin Atlantic,[177] Cathay Pacific,[178] Air France-KLM, Lufthansa,[179] Kingfisher Airlines,[180] as well as the leasing company ILFC.[181]

So surely there is a lot of interest in the streched A380.

I presume Airbus must have released some planning data for it, and that LH Technik used that to make sure their hangar was capable of handling the larger plane.

I doubt that it has any bearing at all on whether or not LH will be ordering A380-900s should they be made available.

They'll order them based on fleet planning, not because someone made sure they'd fit into the hangar.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14532 times:

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 11):
very true... I would bet that LH could persade Airbus to make the plane sooner, with a large enough order?

Would this have implications for the 748i order? As in, if Airbus were to offer some sort of deal like if LH sells/cancels the 748i order in return for favorable treatment with A380 and possible -900 orders?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30981 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14415 times:
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Quoting LHCVG (Reply 23):
Would this have implications for the 748i order? As in, if Airbus were to offer some sort of deal like if LH sells/cancels the 748i order in return for favorable treatment with A380 and possible -900 orders?

No implications whatsoever.

LH will fly the 747-8, as hard as some members (not implying your one of them, by the way) desperately wish they would not.

I'm sure Airbus worked hard to get LH to convert their existing A380 options instead of buy the 747-8, but they were unsuccessful. Launching the A380-900 isn't going to change that.


25 LHCVG : Fair enough. I think that all 3 can have a valuable place in the fleet personally but I could see Airbus bending over backward to try to get LH to so
26 Post contains images astuteman : All the "body language" clearly says that this is the case. I'm not sure that its in Airbus's gift, or perhaps even interest to do so. LH have contra
27 bmacleod : If they are serious about the 747-8i, I really don't see how LH will have any room or market for the A380-900. Unless LH have some crazy (and expensiv
28 keesje : ? The A380-800 is significantly lager the the 747-8i (30%) and A380-900 significantly larger then A380-800.
29 N14AZ : Airbus clearly stated that they will not start developing another A 380-version, A 380F or A 389, before 2015 due to limited resources. As LH's 748is
30 soon7x7 : Do to educational budget cuts in the US by the Obama administration, yur gooing tu hvtoo fo give awl ower tipoes!...the 900 version was probably on t
31 DrExotica : Where is the marking for the A380-800? Is it in the same position as the 747-8? When you magnify the image, it is unclear what is under the rightmost
32 Post contains images Revelation : As did the 787 delays.
33 Post contains images EPA001 : Good question, I was thinking the same thing. But you beat me to it in posting the question. Anyway, the A380-900 is not going to happen soon, but I
34 columba : Sorry this is a ridiculous statement. LH ordered the 747-8I for two reasons: 1) Not to get dependent on Airbus only 2) To fill the gap between the A3
35 LHRNUE : That's it. LH would never build a hangar for the A380 which is to small to host an A380-900. It is also no indication whatsoever whether LH will buy
36 Post contains links and images Fly-K : You can see the A380-900 marking at DXB here: MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Konstantin von Wedelstaedt
37 scouseflyer : and then didn't order the big pile that he promised - was it something like "if you build a wider plane I'll order 50 of them" written on $100 bill p
38 Thorben : Airbus believes 2015 to be the first profitable year of the A380 project and they might have raised the output to the desired level by then. I expect
39 ZRH : I agree with the wings but not with the tail. Usually longer aircrafts have smaller tails than shorter aircrafts. This is physics, a question of leve
40 ATLflyer : It looks beautiful here!!!!
41 Post contains links and images Thorben : I know, but I still believe the tail looks huge for the overall size of the aircraft, when looked at from the side. View Large View MediumPhoto © Jo
42 ZRH : Yes, but nevertheless I am almost sure that at a probable -900 the tail will be smaller. In addition to my previous examples (319-321; 332-333) look
43 HBGDS : Thomas Enders just announced that the A 389 is on the back burner, just like the F-version. I read that as five-seven years down the road, especially
44 Thorben : Yes. But the A340-600 has a bigger tail than the A340-300. I expect a launch in 2015, when the A380 production is at full rate, the A400M has had the
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