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UA 167 BOS-LAX Diverted Jun. 1: Reason?  
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

I had a friend on UA 167 from BOS-LAX that was diverted to MCI as a fuel stop, but given the range of the A319, I would assume that it would be capable of flying BOS-LAX even with heavy headwinds. The equipment was downgraded from a 752 that day for some reason.

Does anyone have an answer?

UAL

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User currently onlineDAL763ER From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5345 times:
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This happened on June 1st, correct?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...7/history/20100601/2218Z/KBOS/KMCI

As per flightaware, this was a scheduled stop. Otherwise it would've said "Diverted". It was probably a full house and if there were heavy headwinds, it was most certainly the reason for diversion.

[Edited 2010-06-05 08:10:04]


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):

Actually a fully loaded 319 struggles on those flights! Take a look at UA's schedule on San Francisco/Boston.

example.
SFO-BOS 3 daily Airbus, 1 daily 757
but westbound......
BOS-SFO 4 daily 757

LAX-BOS both way is 1 757, 1 319



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User currently offlineUnited960 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 2):
example.
SFO-BOS 3 daily Airbus, 1 daily 757
but westbound......
BOS-SFO 4 daily 757

Sad how times change. When I was based at BOS for UA in 1999, our schedule on SFO-BOS was:

1x763
3x762
3x757
1x320

Winter headwinds were pretty intense, and when combined with Bay Area fog - which is the worst at this time of year - flight times can be really long. I worked a 762 where our flight time was 7:19 once. So the airbus struggled with the trip, and the company usually tried to keep it off the westbound trips. Of course we had a lot more domestic lift back then, so there were a lot of airplanes to choose from. This is much less true today.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Quoting United960 (Reply 3):

Winter headwinds were pretty intense, and when combined with Bay Area fog - which is the worst at this time of year - flight times can be really long. I worked a 762 where our flight time was 7:19 once. So the airbus struggled with the trip, and the company usually tried to keep it off the westbound trips. Of course we had a lot more domestic lift back then, so there were a lot of airplanes to choose from. This is much less true today.

The tech bust hit BOS hard. UA had more flights into BOS back then compared to today to both SFO and LAX. The 757 can definitely handle the winter season headwinds though. It's rare to see a UA 763 in BOS these days.



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User currently offlineAirFrance744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 2):
Actually a fully loaded 319 struggles on those flights!
Quoting United960 (Reply 3):
Winter headwinds were pretty intense, and when combined with Bay Area fog - which is the worst at this time of year - flight times can be really long. I worked a 762 where our flight time was 7:19 once. So the airbus struggled with the trip, and the company usually tried to keep it off the westbound trips.

B6 flies 2 A320s on BOS-LAX daily, and VX flies 2 A319s daily on BOS-LAX. How do they do it?



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 5):

JetBlue is notorious for fuel stops in Denver and Salt Lake City. I believe they have a no bumping for weight policy, they will just fuel-stop

VX again it's a 319, little more legs. They will weight restrict if need be!



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 5):
B6 flies 2 A320s on BOS-LAX daily, and VX flies 2 A319s daily on BOS-LAX. How do they do it?

The 319s are good for the BOS transcons as they have solid range over the 320. I think UA is slowly starting to realize this as well.



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User currently offlinecch362 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2442 times:

There was a lot of weather in the Midwest to fly around that day. Even the Celtics charter had to divert, according to the tweet of an ESPN reporter:

http://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/15205251272


User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 6):
Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 5):


JetBlue is notorious for fuel stops in Denver and Salt Lake City. I believe they have a no bumping for weight policy, they will just fuel-stop

I would rather stop for fuel than bump passengers. If it is planned properly the delay on the ground is very short. For example we were scheduled to fly SAN - BNA in a 737-700 but a -300 was substituted. We did a fuel stop at TUL and were on the ground for about 15 minutes. The week before another crew had the same situation but stopped at PHX. They were on the ground for over 30 minutes. It is easier to get gate space on a divert at a smaller, less busy, station than at a larger, busier, station.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting cch362 (Reply 8):

The flight he was asking about was 4 days ago...

Quoting 737tanker (Reply 9):

Agreed. I don't think B6 has a bad policy. They seem to do it frequently in the winter, so I'm sure they have got good at it. They do get paid to fly passengers from A to B, that what they do, even with a stop!

The winds have been a little strong for summer. SkyWest CR7 yesterday MCI-SFO needed a pit-stop in Grand Junction.



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User currently offlinecch362 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 10):
The flight he was asking about was 4 days ago...

Did you even check the date of the tweet? The Celtics also flew on June 1.


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